GDT: 2023 NHL Draft: Day 2 (Rounds 2-7), Thursday, June 29, 11 a.m. NHLN, SN, TVAS

[SannywithoutCompy]

I'm not being serious. No, I don't think a bunch of people on the internet would do a better job than professionals.

Well then I think you'd be wrong in a lot of cases. If you really don't believe a lot of the people in the draft thread would have performed similarly, if not better, to the Habs in the 2010s who drafted atrociously, then I don't know what to tell you.

They don't have exclusive access to names that the rest of us don't have lmao. It's all off the same list of eligible players.

 

[Kosseca]

I really hate Carolina. They stole my draft.

1. Nadeau
2. Unger Sorum
3. Perron
4. Rykov
5. Khazheyev
6. Mukhanov
7. Even f***ing Michael Emerson!

All players I really liked. They did it in 2021 too.

may want to keep you list more secret next year

 

[jrom]

Exactly. Character, competitiveness and attitude are factored in BPA. 100% of the hockey world outside their 90 ftx 90ft room had Michkov way ahead as BPA. The top 3 guys responsible should have that hung around their neck every time they go for an employment opportunity with any hockey team for the rest of their career.

Well they will, it’s “fine” now to say wait & see but if this team isn’t competitive in 2-3 years they will be fired / will have a hard time working in that domain again.

Doesn’t matter if it’s bad luck, bad drafting, bad player dev, bad deployment, it will be all about results not intentions (Slaf especially).

 

[Wats]

Most uneventful boring draft days I can remember.

 

[Guy Larose]

Well then I think you'd be wrong in a lot of cases. If you really don't believe a lot of the people in the draft thread would have performed similarly, if not better, to the Habs in the 2010s who drafted atrociously, then I don't know what to tell you.

They don't have exclusive access to names that the rest of us don't have lmao. It's all off the same list of eligible players.

We can't even qualify "better" for another few years

 

[Kennerback]

We can't even qualify "better" for another few years

Usually yes. This is a different draft. We’ll know by January.

 

[GravelTheOne]

Nope, not at all. I just don't act like a spoiled brat every time they don't do something I wanted. Only 30? I'm 53 and have been watching since I'm a wee kid. I've criticized them plenty. I just don't waste my whole days doing it. I have 1832 posts in about 5 years on here.


Nah, just don't like adults that act like babies when they don't get what they want.

I agree and I can tell you my ignore list got stacked.

I cant stand the whining at every pick, all we can do is wait and see.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

We can't even qualify "better" for another few years

I'm not necessarily talking about this draft but if we want to talk about it I'd ask a few questions.

1) Does Montreal need goal scoring?
2) Did Montreal have a chance to address that need?
3) Did Montreal address that need?
4) Would the majority of people here, if in charge, have addressed that need better than Montreal did?
5) Outside of Cole Caufield, has Montreal addressed that need since they drafted Gallagher?
2) Was the

 

[Redux91]

Well since all our "A+" rated drafts never really went anywhere,
I am more than curious to see how our "D-" draft turns out lol

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Nope, not at all. I just don't act like a spoiled brat every time they don't do something I wanted. Only 30? I'm 53 and have been watching since I'm a wee kid. I've criticized them plenty. I just don't waste my whole days doing it. I have 1832 posts in about 5 years on here.


Nah, just don't like adults that act like babies when they don't get what they want.

"Everyone that doesn't agree with me or has standards is a baby!"

 

[Koivu11]

 

[waffledave]

I'm not necessarily talking about this draft but if we want to talk about it I'd ask a few questions.

1) Does Montreal need goal scoring?
2) Did Montreal have a chance to address that need?
3) Did Montreal address that need?
4) Would the majority of people here, if in charge, have addressed that need better than Montreal did?
5) Outside of Cole Caufield, has Montreal addressed that need since they drafted Gallagher?
2) Was the

Montreal has a lot of holes up and down the organization. It's not going to get fixed in one draft. The draft today isn't going to fix any of these holes for several years.

Well then I think you'd be wrong in a lot of cases. If you really don't believe a lot of the people in the draft thread would have performed similarly, if not better, to the Habs in the 2010s who drafted atrociously, then I don't know what to tell you.

They don't have exclusive access to names that the rest of us don't have lmao. It's all off the same list of eligible players.

In 2012 these same armchair scouts were saying we had the best draft of all time. This is not a simple thing just anyone can do.

 

[Guy Larose]

I'm not necessarily talking about this draft but if we want to talk about it I'd ask a few questions.

1) Does Montreal need goal scoring?
2) Did Montreal have a chance to address that need?
3) Did Montreal address that need?
4) Would the majority of people here, if in charge, have addressed that need better than Montreal did?
5) Outside of Cole Caufield, has Montreal addressed that need since they drafted Gallagher?
2) Was the

1) Yes
2) They drafted by BPA on their list, not need, and Lapointe just said as much in an interview. All their scouts were unanimous. Last year they picked BPA (not only MTL had him there) and who they thought was exactly that, a good scoring winger.
3) After BPA, what else was there to address that need for goals? Leonard? He wasn't the BPA as people like to advocate around here..
4) No. See all above. We had needs everywhere and glaring on the RHD and goalies, and they addressed that.
5) Gallagher was a shot in the dark at what, 5th round? Don't think they were addressing that need back then. They've added players like Dach, Slaf, and Newhook in the hopes that they'd do it, but we will see on the longrun. Too early to tell even though Dach is coming along.

 

[larek]

Well then I think you'd be wrong in a lot of cases. If you really don't believe a lot of the people in the draft thread would have performed similarly, if not better, to the Habs in the 2010s who drafted atrociously, then I don't know what to tell you.

They don't have exclusive access to names that the rest of us don't have lmao. It's all off the same list of eligible players.

I pick mich at 5 - there I had a better draft!!

 

[Guy Larose]

"Everyone that doesn't agree with me or has standards is a baby!"

Yes, exactly my point about you, you understood.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Montreal has a lot of holes up and down the organization. It's not going to get fixed in one draft. The draft today isn't going to fix any of these holes for several years.


In 2012 these same armchair scouts were saying we had the best draft of all time. This is not a simple thing just anyone can do.

I agree, my main concern is that we seem to be rushing the rebuild without actually acquiring the elite talent we've lacked for years. I think patience with rebuilding is something we've never had and it's disappointing that it's continuing with our current regime.

As for 2012, would that not be proof that just anyone can do it?

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Yes, exactly my point about you, you understood.

lol, this was basically you saying "I know you are, but what am I."

Perhaps if you're accusing people of being children, you shouldn't use arguments a 5 year old would make.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

1) Yes
2) They drafted by BPA on their list, not need, and Lapointe just said as much in an interview. All their scouts were unanimous. Last year they picked BPA (not only MTL had him there) and who they thought was exactly that, a good scoring winger.
3) After BPA, what else was there to address that need for goals? Leonard? He wasn't the BPA as people like to advocate around here..
4) No. See all above. We had needs everywhere and glaring on the RHD and goalies, and they addressed that.
5) Gallagher was a shot in the dark at what, 5th round? Don't think they were addressing that need back then. They've added players like Dach, Slaf, and Newhook in the hopes that they'd do it, but we will see on the longrun. Too early to tell even though Dach is coming along.

Hughes said had he been a LHD they might not have drafted him. Drafting for positional need is a terrible idea every time.

I had Michkov as BPA by a long shot, with Leonard at 5th OVR. I don't think Reinbacher has elite potential, I think he will be a solid 2/3D which, while valuable, and a need, is not what we should be drafting in a draft ripe with top forward talent.

 

[Guy Larose]

lol, this was basically you saying "I know you are, but what am I."

Perhaps if you're accusing people of being children, you shouldn't use arguments a 5 year old would make.

No, you keep projecting onto others what you actually do. Not the first time. Grow up.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

Too much is being made about what positions these draft picks play, if these are the guys they think are BPA then so be it.

This isn't the Bergevin era where prospects and young players would only get traded when their value was rock bottom. Hughes already showed last year he's not afraid to move a position of strength to fill a need with the Dach trade.

If our young D continue to pan out and guys like Reinbacher, Hutson, Mailloux and/or Engstrom pan out, some of our D can be moved to address other areas.

 

[LaP]

I agree, my main concern is that we seem to be rushing the rebuild without actually acquiring the elite talent we've lacked for years. I think patience with rebuilding is something we've never had and it's disappointing that it's continuing with our current regime.

As for 2012, would that not be proof that just anyone can do it?

To be fair to the management considering it has been going on for years under many different managements the order must comes from above. Our management likely has its hands tied by the shareholders and Molson.

Looking at the draft this year i don't want to defend Lapointe and Bobrov but it is my opinion that they clearly had directives to follow. We clearly went for needs and in later rounds guys who could be ready quickly. The Newhook trade is clearly an attempt to speed the rebuild. It's a risky trade and for sure there's no doubt Sakic did not believe in Newhook anymore and gave up on the kid.

I'm still hoping but i'm a lot less positive than last year. I'm cautiously optimistic at best i would say. We are missing top 6 talents and not sure we addressed that this summer so far.

 

[Guy Larose]

Hughes said had he been a LHD they might not have drafted him. Drafting for positional need is a terrible idea every time.

I had Michkov as BPA by a long shot, with Leonard at 5th OVR. I don't think Reinbacher has elite potential, I think he will be a solid 2/3D which, while valuable, and a need, is not what we should be drafting in a draft ripe with top forward talent.

What can I tell you, he was BPA on their list and Lapointe said as much. Lets drop Michkov from the equation since Lapointe said there were too many unknowns with him aka red flags. Other teams passed on him as well. They were well placed to know with their connections over in Russia.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

PGT is up