NFL: 2023 NFL season news & notes discussion thread

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SirClintonPortis

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Allegedly the WFT may try to trade for Belichick after the season.
Oh, that would be cruel and unusual punishment. NO. PLEASE GOD NO!
 

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Oh, that would be cruel and unusual punishment. NO. PLEASE GOD NO!
BB is 70. Can’t imagine he’d want to take over Wash without a QB. Going to take a long time to get past Shula.
Patriot way was Tom Brady. People need to stop hiring BB people . Without a QB, he doesn’t know offence to manage with an average one. McDaniels had Carr and Jimmy both tier 2 QBs and wasn’t great with either.
 
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Heart of their schedule these next 6 games. Heath will be vital in winning these games. No cluster injuries to a position group.
 

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BB is 70. Can’t imagine he’d want to take over Wash without a QB. Going to take a long time to get past Shula.
Patriot way was Tom Brady. People need to stop hiring BB people . Without a QB, he doesn’t know offence to manage with an average one. McDaniels had Carr and Jimmy both tier 2 QBs and wasn’t great with either.


He just signed an extension, of course that doesn't mean he can't get relieved of duties or resign or even get traded, but would he really go somewhere else?

Would he return to Cleveland to try to finish things where he started as a HC? QB situation isn't great but the surrounding pieces are above average

LA Chargers? Pretty good QB situation there
Raiders? QB situation sucks and the team seems cursed to continually screw things up
Bears? He could pass Halas and Shula and the Bears could add a top QB prospect
 

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Would he return to Cleveland to try to finish things where he started as a HC? QB situation isn't great but the surrounding pieces are above average
Cleveland has to bear the brunt of the $60 mill in cash that they pushed into these future years. Took a $10 mill cap charge on Watson in 2022 and a $20 mill one in 2023. But, between the SB and restructure, have paid him $90 million already.

You don't want to add anymore new money onto Watson's deal. At this point, all they can really do is convert base salary into a bonus and push out the charges later, but that bill will come due once they move off Watson and the way he is going, he won't be around after the next 3 years are done.
 

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Cleveland has to bear the brunt of the $60 mill in cash that they pushed into these future years. Took a $10 mill cap charge on Watson in 2022 and a $20 mill one in 2023. But, between the SB and restructure, have paid him $90 million already.

You don't want to add anymore new money onto Watson's deal. At this point, all they can really do is convert base salary into a bonus and push out the charges later, but that bill will come due once they move off Watson and the way he is going, he won't be around after the next 3 years are done.


Yeah I think at this point the Saints have proven over and over again that the Cap #'s and charges and all that stuff is meaningless, there are ways around all of that stuff with a little bit of ingenuity
 

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Yeah I think at this point the Saints have proven over and over again that the Cap #'s and charges and all that stuff is meaningless, there are ways around all of that stuff with a little bit of ingenuity
Watson is supposed to offset the loss of talent once they eat bigger cap charges on his contract. He's not playing like he's able to raise the level of play of the team.
 

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This was absolutely tremendous, A Football Life episode about Jerry Smith



"You know how you look up to your older brother? Well I looked up to my younger brother." Whew....
 

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Jesus Christ
Think all 4 of those teams, SF, Sea, Dal, Phi are playing each other areound that time.

Seattle has something like SF, Dal, SF, Phi or something like that over a 4 week span around US Thanksgiving.
 

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Think all 4 of those teams, SF, Sea, Dal, Phi are playing each other areound that time.

Seattle has something like SF, Dal, SF, Phi or something like that over a 4 week span around US Thanksgiving.
Our schedule is backloaded. Next 5 weeks we have Eagles, Giants, Panthers, Commies, Seahawks.

December is our gauntlet. Eagles, dolphins, bills, lions.
 

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Had an extraordinary Facebook memory come up today from 12 years ago. Can’t believe it’s been this long.

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And this is the last warning every NFL team should know by now, never hire Patriots coaches.
Absolutely.
I just don't care or want to hear people give Mark Davis credit for firing McDaniels. He never should have hired him in the first place. Just so stupid and no reason to.
 

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Absolutely.
I just don't care or want to hear people give Mark Davis credit for firing McDaniels. He never should have hired him in the first place. Just so stupid and no reason to.

He trusted a stupid consulting firm, his previous hire was nepotism cause Jon Gruden was wanted by the fanbase but he turned out to be some racist bat shit homophobic person.

f*** Gruden and his ‘Gruden Grinders’ bullshit
 

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He trusted a stupid consulting firm, his previous hire was nepotism cause Jon Gruden was wanted by the fanbase but he turned out to be some racist bat shit homophobic person.

f*** Gruden and his ‘Gruden Grinders’ bullshit
He still needs to interview McDaniels. Not like he's charging that firm to make the hire. Clearly, Mark doesn't know how to run an organization.
 

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Just something completely random I stumbled upon talking about a play from 8 years ago, but it's nice to see I'm not completely alone screaming into the void that the play call resulting in an interception at the end of the Patriots-Seahawks Super Bowl was not a bad decision.

One of the most controversial decisions in Super Bowl history took place in the closing seconds of Super Bowl XLIX in 2015. The Seattle Seahawks, with twenty-six seconds remaining and trailing by four points, had the ball on second down at the New England Patriots' one-yard line. Everybody expected Seahawks coach Pete Carroll to call for a handoff to running back Marshawn Lynch. Why wouldn't you expect that call? It was a short-yardage situation and Lynch was one of the best running backs in the NFL.

Instead, Carroll called for quarterback Russell Wilson to pass. New England intercepted the ball, winning the Super Bowl moments later. The headlines the next day were brutal:

USA Today: "What on Earth Was Seattle Thinking with Worst Play Call in NFL History?"

Washington Post: "'Worst Play-Call in Super Bowl History' Will Forever Alter Perception of Seahawks, Patriots"

FoxSports.com: "Dumbest Call in Super Bowl History Could Be Beginning of the End for Seattle Seahawks"

Seattle Times: "Seahawks Lost Because of the Worst Call in Super Bowl History"

The New Yorker: "A Coach's Terrible Super Bowl Mistake"

Although the matter was considered by nearly every pundit as beyond debate, a few outlying voices argued that the play choice was sound, if not brilliant. Benjamin Morris's analysis on FiveThirtyEight.com and Brian Burke's on Slate.com convincingly argued that the decision to throw the ball was totally defensible, invoking clock-management and end-of-game considerations. They also pointed out that an interception was an extremely unlikely outcome. (Out of sixty-six passes attempted from an opponent's one-yard line during the season, zero had been intercepted. In the previous fifteen seasons, the interception rate in that situation was about 2%.)

Those dissenting voices didn't make a dent in the avalanche of criticism directed at Pete Carroll. Whether or not you buy into the contrarian analysis, most people didn't want to give Carroll the credit for having thought it through, or having any reason at all for his call. That raises the question: Why did so many people so strongly believe that Pete Carroll got it so wrong?

We can sum it up in four words: the play didn't work.

Take a moment to imagine that Wilson completed the pass for a game-winning touchdown. Wouldn't the headlines change to "Brilliant Call" or "Seahawks Win Super Bowl on Surprise Play" or "Carroll Outsmarts Belichick"? Or imagine the pass had been incomplete and the Seahawks scored (or didn't) on a third- or fourth-down running play. The headlines would be about those other plays. What Pete Carroll called on second down would have been ignored.

Carroll got unlucky. He had control over the quality of the play-call decision, but not over how it turned out. It was exactly because he didn't get a favorable result that he took the heat. He called a play that had a high percentage of ending in a game-winning touchdown or an incomplete pass (which would have allowed two more plays for the Seahawks to hand off the ball to Marshawn Lynch). He made a good-quality decision that got a bad result.

Pete Carroll was a victim of our tendency to equate the quality of a decision with the quality of its outcome. Poker players have a word for this: "resulting." When I started playing poker, more experienced players warned me about the dangers of resulting, cautioning me to resist the temptation to change my strategy just because a few hands didn't turn out well in the short run.

Pete Carroll understood that his universe of critics was guilty of resulting. Four days after the Super Bowl, he appeared on the Today show and acknowledged, "It was the worst result of a call ever," adding, "The call would have been a great one if we catch it. It would have been just fine, and nobody would have thought twice about it."
 
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