2023 HFBoards Stanley Cup Favourite #4 RUNOFF: Rangers VS Leafs

[M2Beezy]

So Leafs n Rangers ended up all tied up for 4th place and not behind the Blues and Flames. Pretty divided group. Anyways who ya got between the Leafs and Rangers at 4

1 Colorado 65% 2023 HFBoards Stanley Cup Favourite #1
2 Tampa 70% 2023 HFBoards Stanley Cup Favourite #2
3 Carolina 41% 2023 HFBoards Stanley Cup Favourite #3
4 TIE: NYR TOR 22% 2023 HFBoards Stanley Cup Favourite #4

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[EdJovanovski]

Rangers AINEC

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Rags are immediately back to relying on goaltending after their rebuild. They’ll make some noise in the playoffs, like they did under Lundqvist, but they’re going to ultimately revert back to their historical mediocrity as all things should be.

 

[socko]

Yeah, the Rags relied way too much on goaltending. I think 4 is too high for both teams, but I'll go Leafs here.

 

[Xirik]

Team A: Has okay forwards, Skilled prima donna's on defense that can't work together in a system and a great goalie.

team B: has Has great forwards, okay Defense and a mystery box in net

I can see why this went to a tie.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Definitely the up and coming Rangers with the Vezina goalie.

 

[wetcoast]

Yeah, the Rags relied way too much on goaltending. I think 4 is too high for both teams, but I'll go Leafs here.

Took the Leafs but the Blues are a better option for 4th really and heck Edmonton might be better constructed for a SC run than the NYR who have 5 on 5 issues big-time.

 

[um]

The disadvantage in net is too glaring. If Leaf’s had average goaltending I’d vote for them.

 

[AvroArrow]

The disadvantage in net is too glaring. If Leaf’s had average goaltending I’d vote for them.

What about the disadvantage in forwards and especially Centers ?

 

[socko]

The disadvantage in net is too glaring. If Leaf’s had average goaltending I’d vote for them.

I agree. I just see a better chance of a Leafs goalie getting hot than I do of the Rangers suddenly becoming competitive 5 on 5 with elite teams.

 

[EdJovanovski]

How is a team that is losing a poll about whether they’ll make it past the first round of the playoffs, coming in 4th place in the Stanley cup favorites poll? Someone from the Leafs board is either posting on their board or DM’ing people to vote

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

How is a team that is losing a poll about whether they’ll make it past the first round of the playoffs, coming in 4th place in the Stanley cup favorites poll? Someone from the Leafs board is either posting on their board or DM’ing people to vote

Nothing screams Leaf fans like voters: named bambamcam, Isless55, Howe's Elbows and DEVILS130

 

[um]

I agree. I just see a better chance of a Leafs goalie getting hot than I do of the Rangers suddenly becoming competitive 5 on 5 with elite teams.

They just made the final four doing that. Leafs haven't made it past the final 16 in forever.

What about the disadvantage in forwards and especially Centers ?

Its much smaller than the disadvantage than the goaltending advantage the Rangers have. Lets put it this way:

Rangers offence 8 << Leafs offence 9.5
Rangers defence 8 = Leafs defence 8.0
Rangers goalies 9.5 >>>> Leafs goalies 6.0

I value having good goaltending. Shitty goaltending has blown a lot of series for the Caps over the years.

 

[The Nuge]

I guess the Rangers since they’ve actually won a round, but they rely way too much on goaltending for me to put them this high

 

[EdJovanovski]

Nothing screams Leaf fans like voters: named bambamcam, Isless55, Howe's Elbows and DEVILS130

That’s just devil & isle fans voting against the Rangers lol. leafsfan5, 91leafstavares91, dionthefluff, and people with location: Toronto are probably leaf fans.
Only see one Ranger fan other than myself who voted for us so far. Even one of our heated rivals (Caps) fans clicked like on my post saying that and voted Rangers lol.

Obviously people prefer voting for their team, I’m just saying there is a bizarre discrepancy here. Doesn’t make sense that they’re voted the 4th cup favorite meanwhile losing a poll about whether they’ll even make it out the first round

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

They just made the final four doing that. Leafs haven't made it past the final 16 in forever.


Its much smaller than the disadvantage than the goaltending advantage the Rangers have. Lets put it this way:

Rangers offence 8 << Leafs offence 9.5
Rangers defence 8 = Leafs defence 8.0
Rangers goalies 9.5 >>>> Leafs goalies 6.0

I value having good goaltending. Shitty goaltending has blown a lot of series for the Caps over the years.

How do people come up with these numbers?

HDCF%
Toronto - 2nd (Toronto gave up 496 HDCA)
NYR - 26th (NYR gave up 573 HDCA)

NYR (at 5v5) was one of the most porous defensive teams in the league. The difference between NYR and some of the lottery teams, in terms of 5v5 play, was basically a Vezina calibre goaltender.

Rangers offence 6 < < < Leafs offence 10
Rangers defence 6 < Leafs defence (9th in xGA) 8
Rangers goaltending 10 > > > Leafs goaltending 5 (I hope?)

It's crazy how much Shesty covered up last year. If he takes even a 10% step back in GSAA, the Rangers may struggle to even make the playoffs.

Btw, I am looking at offence and defence as total systems, not position players.

That’s just devil & isle fans voting against the Rangers lol. leafsfan5, 91leafstavares91, dionthefluff, and people with location: Toronto are probably leaf fans.
Only see one Ranger fan other than myself who voted for us so far. Even one of our heated rivals (Caps) fans clicked like on my post saying that and voted Rangers lol.

Obviously people prefer voting for their team, I’m just saying there is a bizarre discrepancy here. Doesn’t make sense that they’re voted the 4th cup favorite meanwhile losing a poll about whether they’ll even make it out the first round

Why doesn't it make sense?

Read the thread about the first round a bit closer - most people are saying something like "I hope they lose again, but if they win a round, I could see them going deep". Basically, you have 30 fanbases hoping to keep the meme going strong, but actually like Toronto's team.

 

[socko]

They just made the final four doing that. Leafs haven't made it past the final 16 in forever.


Its much smaller than the disadvantage than the goaltending advantage the Rangers have. Lets put it this way:

Rangers offence 8 << Leafs offence 9.5
Rangers defence 8 = Leafs defence 8.0
Rangers goalies 9.5 >>>> Leafs goalies 6.0

I value having good goaltending. Shitty goaltending has blown a lot of series for the Caps over the years.

That's one way of looking at it. But which team looked more competitive with the Lightning? Easily Leafs. The Rangers didn't even look like they belonged.

 

[EdJovanovski]

How do people come up with these numbers?

HDCF%
Toronto - 2nd (Toronto gave up 496 HDCA)
NYR - 26th (NYR gave up 573 HDCA)

NYR (at 5v5) was one of the most porous defensive teams in the league. The difference between NYR and some of the lottery teams, in terms of 5v5 play, was basically a Vezina calibre goaltender.

Rangers offence 6 < < < Leafs offence 10
Rangers defence 6 < Leafs defence (9th in xGA) 8
Rangers goaltending 10 > > > Leafs goaltending 5 (I hope?)

It's crazy how much Shesty covered up last year. If he takes even a 10% step back in GSAA, the Rangers may struggle to even make the playoffs.

Btw, I am looking at offence and defence as total systems, not position players.



Why doesn't it make sense?

Read the thread about the first round a bit closer - most people are saying something like "I hope they lose again, but if they win a round, I could see them going deep". Basically, you have 30 fanbases hoping to keep the meme going strong, but actually like Toronto's team.

I think actually going deep, having a 2-0 series lead in the conference final against the back to back cup champs; is more indicative of ability to go deep than these analytics are. We were 2 wins away from the cup final

 

[Realgud]

Very easily the Rangers

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

I think actually going deep, having a 2-0 series lead in the conference final against the back to back cup champs; is more indicative of ability to go deep than these analytics are. We were 2 wins away from the cup final

We took a healthier version of that team to 7.

 

[AvroArrow]

They just made the final four doing that. Leafs haven't made it past the final 16 in forever.


Its much smaller than the disadvantage than the goaltending advantage the Rangers have. Lets put it this way:

Rangers offence 8 << Leafs offence 9.5
Rangers defence 8 = Leafs defence 8.0
Rangers goalies 9.5 >>>> Leafs goalies 6.0

I value having good goaltending. Shitty goaltending has blown a lot of series for the Caps over the years.

Fair enough, I see the gap in forwards a bit bigger than that though

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

We took a healthier version of that team to 7.

When’s the banner raising ceremony?

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

When’s the banner raising ceremony?

The irony of this is delicious, thank you

 

[EdJovanovski]

We took a healthier version of that team to 7.

In the 1st round lol
And the Bolts always start slow, they sleep all season long hence why the powerhouse Leafs faced them in the first round

 

[Gurglesons]

Leafs over Rangers IMO