Prospect Info: 2023 Draft Thread (Yotes picking #6 & #12)

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Look at how stupid Fantilli’s hair is. Gotta love it.



And look how much Logan Cooley hates losing. Even stupid awards in the middle of a championship run.



Just mean mugging the ENTIRE time. Haha.

Knowing what we know about Cooley, I really think the best possible thing for his development is us winning one of the two lotteries and him setting his sights on outperforming Fantilli or Bedard. I really believe this kid will work as hard as humanly possible, with zero distraction in an effort to keep up with or surpass either. I probably won’t be able to do it, but he’s got the world’s largest shoulder chip. I think going head to head with those two would make him a better player than he otherwise might have become.

Let’s draft Bedard and see if that gives us our own version of Sakic and Forsberg. If they can push eachother like that. And elevate eachother like that.
 
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There are plenty very good teams that arguably don't have a game breaking top defender. And more whose top defender wasn't selected in the top ten
Minnesota - Spurgeon is their top guy
Calgary - Hanafin is the top guy, but like MIN more of the entire core is stronger than an individual
Carolina - Slavin may be the closest they have. they probably have 5 #2-3 guys
NYI - I guess Dobson is forming into a top defender but he isnt even in the Ekblad tier. Dobson wasn't a top ten pick either
WPG - Morrissey has slowly started to turn into one but wasn't a top ten pick
BOS - McAvoy is a top guy but was 14th OA

I feel like a true 1C is more important than a true 1D.
 
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I'm ready to be flamed.

Let's say you guys win the #1 pick and you get your franchise player, CB.

What do you think of Montreal trading the 5/6/7th pick for David Reinbacher and Montreals (Fla) 16/17/18th for Logan Cooley.

You walk away for the best player in the draft, best player since Connor McDavid most likely, the top D, and another possible very good player. Emotions aside of you're love for Cooley, does that trade your team better.
That trade does not make the team better IMO. Cooley is the #1 NHL prospect in hockey. IF the Coyotes win Bedard you have a great 1 - 2 punch and the team starts building a contender.
 

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There are plenty very good teams that arguably don't have a game breaking top defender. And more whose top defender wasn't selected in the top ten
Minnesota - Spurgeon is their top guy
Calgary - Hanafin is the top guy, but like MIN more of the entire core is stronger than an individual
Carolina - Slavin may be the closest they have. they probably have 5 #2-3 guys
NYI - I guess Dobson is forming into a top defender but he isnt even in the Ekblad tier. Dobson wasn't a top ten pick either
WPG - Morrissey has slowly started to turn into one but wasn't a top ten pick
BOS - McAvoy is a top guy but was 14th OA

I feel like a true 1C is more important than a true 1D.
The other question is whether Reinbacher is even that anyway.
 
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There are always more avenues to acquire top level caliber defensemen.

Also, in terms of quantity, the 2024 draft is going to be way better in terms of picking a defenseman compared to this year. So I'd rather prefer we went Fwd/Fwd with our picks this year, to supplement the amount fo offensive prospects we have.

There is also always the option of trading picks/prospects for a better defenseman as well. With the 10 second round picks we have between 24/25/26 it would be almost better to move a bunch of them for a top level D who's on the end of an RFA deal with a capped out team.

Though I get your sentiment with wanting to fill up the lacking D prospect pool, sometimes you just have to realize the draft does not break your way (in terms of postion).

When in doubt, take BPA. If the BPA is a forward, so be it, the best players will help your team in the end ... no matter the position.
Thats why I didn't like the Lamoreaux selection and would have preferred Jiricek last year, albeit at expense of Cooley.

Maybe it is just me, but I feel like defensemen who are drafted and brought up within their team typically are less likely to be moved, relative to forwards taken high.

Seth Jones was a top 15 D that was traded. Hanifin was dealt for Hamilton, so that is kind of a wash. Sergachev was traded for Drouin. I understand it is a numbers thing, but there seem to be far fewer defensemen dropped into trade talks, and it is far more likely to see a move where a forward gets dealt. So, we have some pieces to be able to make a move with forward prospect depth, but I think that if you have a stud D man, that becomes harder to acquire.

Plus, those 2nd rounders aren't really designed to be traded though, no? We are on the cheap, so the only possible scenario is trading a 2nd for a player who is 22 and about to step into a role? I don't see other teams taking that. BPA is what I tend to go with as well, but I always saw this draft as the one to look for offensive talent. Next year is a little more defensively oriented. Last year was fairly mixed. Since not everyone is guaranteed to be a solid pro that reaches the NHL level consistently, it is difficult to expect that we can bring in free agents on the defensive end in 4 years. Maybe we have the arena ready to go and our prospects are ready to lead the offense, but it still seems... too barren and needs some diversification in the balance.
 
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I prefer Dvorsky, Moore and Ritchie at C. Maybe Stramel too.
I also prefer a bunch of wingers over Danielson. He feels too safe, which often means limited upside.
Ritchie has a shoulder issue that i would want my doctors to be reviewing before using draft capital on him.

Danielson has surprisingly good production this year.
 

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I prefer Dvorsky, Moore and Ritchie at C. Maybe Stramel too.
I also prefer a bunch of wingers over Danielson. He feels too safe, which often means limited upside.
I'd be ok with Dvorsky...but Danielson has more upside than Moore & Ritchie imho and Stramel ceiling is a 3rd line C and should be taken late in the 1st or early in the 2nd.

I like Dvorsky, Danielson, Honzek, Barlow, Sale over guys like Yager, Moore, Leonard, Cristall, even though I think they are all there in that 4th tier
 

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Ritchie has a shoulder issue that i would want my doctors to be reviewing before using draft capital on him.

Danielson has surprisingly good production this year.
I think the majority of scouting reports on Danielson are laughably incorrect. I feel like half the social media scouts commenting on his game haven’t seen him play. I don’t see any connection to what I’ve seen when I read about him. I’ve honestly only seen two decent scouting reports on him; Pronman and Tessler.

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Nate Danielson looks fantastic in transition. Great controlled zone exits and entries. Good size, picture perfect skater, head up player. Neutral zone hound, good defensively, and great on the PK. Big, strong RHS C, is already a captain for the wheat kings (old for his draft year). He really does look the part when he’s flying down the middle, controlling the puck.



I’ll say this, I was shocked to see Pronman rank Danielson 5th overall. Not because of Danielson but because of what I know about Pronman and his preferences. But now having watched Danielson in isolation a few more times, I totally get how he’s checking those Pronman boxes. His skating with the puck, his transitions, and his plays at top speed. All very classic Pronman. And now his mature, pro game and big pro build/frame is very in line with the “new” Pronman who tries to think like an NHL scout now.



Danielson looks like the real deal. Size, speed, skill, smarts, passing, shooting, two way play, and works hard. Plus he’s a captain in his draft year. I think he’s going to be an early pick. Controls the pace and makes really smart plays. Toolsy too.



He's a quintessential center, he's big, he skates so well, he's such a heads up player, so smart, makes plays, willing to be direct and creative, great on the PK and forecheck/backcheck, wins faceoffs and is a captain. Who doesn't want an all situations, do everything, RHS C with size and skill?
 
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Nate Danielson looks fantastic in transition. Great controlled zone exits and entries. Good size, picture perfect skater, head up player. Neutral zone hound, good defensively, and great on the PK. Big, strong RHS C, is already a captain for the wheat kings (old for his draft year). He really does look the part when he’s flying down the middle, controlling the puck.



I’ll say this, I was shocked to see Pronman rank Danielson 5th overall. Not because of Danielson but because of what I know about Pronman and his preferences. But now having watched Danielson in isolation a few more times, I totally get how he’s checking those Pronman boxes. His skating with the puck, his transitions, and his plays at top speed. All very classic Pronman. And now his mature, pro game and big pro build/frame is very in line with the “new” Pronman who tries to think like an NHL scout now.



Danielson looks like the real deal. Size, speed, skill, smarts, passing, shooting, two way play, and works hard. Plus he’s a captain in his draft year. I think he’s going to be an early pick. Controls the pace and makes really smart plays. Toolsy too.



He's a quintessential center, he's big, he skates so well, he's such a heads up player, so smart, makes plays, willing to be direct and creative, great on the PK and forecheck/backcheck, wins faceoffs and is a captain. Who doesn't want an all situations, do everything, RHS C with size and skill?
Danielson is exactly the type of player BA would draft. He'll be gone by Ottawa's pick but available by ours. I don't really have a favorite in the 6-8 range. I'd be ecstatic with Danielson. I just don't want Reinbacher that high. Let's get two more forwards here. Find some D's with the 2nds.
 

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let's say we're having the picks 6th and 11th, do you want to trade up; and if yes, which better pick we could get with what we can offer?
the draft goes
Bedard
Fantilli
somebody optimistic picking Michkov or Smith... are we trying go get up to 4th for Carlson? How big is the gap to the next tier of talents?
 

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And that’s scouting, I’m sure BA’s staff would not touch a player another team covets.


If scouts did their job without seeing any other scouting report or draft ranking you'd see an even bigger disparity. They are human and thus influenced by the opinion of others.

It's tough to assess most 18 yo because none have fully developed physically, mentally, or emotionally. The elite (McDavid, Crosby, etc.) stand out, but for most players you're trying to assess where they'll be in 5 years.
 
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