GDT: 2023 Caps NHL Draft Thread

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• Montreal is the early wild card. The Canadiens have several teams offering to trade up to fifth, and it might come down to how things unfold in front of them.

• Philadelphia is the “smokescreen queen” of this draft. Some are convinced they will take Matvei Michkov if available, others are going with Ryan Leonard. Watch it be someone else.

• Nashville is pushing hard to move into the top 10. They are also working very hard to find a centre.
Could the Caps do some business with Barry?

NSH has 15+24 and 13 picks total. ARI/DET/STL would seem to be unlikely trade matches given their number of picks. I guess Philly could be a match but it's quite a drop going down to 15.
 

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Honestly I'm not really impressed from these highlights because he's scoring goals against goalies who are not that good in the KHL. In the NHL he will be competing against bigger, stronger, smarter, more physical d-men and far better goalies. MM won't be able to create his own space like OV has for his career. He will need good line mates to create shooting space for himself.
Judging by how his brain is processing those engagements if he doesn't have a hole to shoot at he's probably just going to make more plays instead. One thing I really like to see from puck handlers is when they look like they're doing something and then tense up and bail on the move because they're processing fast enough to see they'd be challenged. It's always super subtle, a little extra tension in the shoulders or a surprise cut on an edge but it speaks to a processing of the game beyond "I'm gonna do a move now"

Vrana was an "I'm gonna do a move" guy and his track record with them was spotty at best. True puck handlers are so much more dynamic than that, and Michkov seems to have that twitch.
 

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Honestly I'm not really impressed from these highlights because he's scoring goals against goalies who are not that good in the KHL. In the NHL he will be competing against bigger, stronger, smarter, more physical d-men and far better goalies. MM won't be able to create his own space like OV has for his career. He will need good line mates to create shooting space for himself.
He does seem small and some of those shots seemed to just go through goalies but he picks some corners .. shifty af ... but yeah he looks small but only 18.

seems to be a natural
 

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The potential of Michkov vs the 2024 3rd, 8th, 12th, 20th, or 32nd is so much higher than that pick. Get the generational talent
The Caps already have a generational talent (you know, the one mentioned in your username). Even if Michkov ends up being a generational talent too, if he doesn't come over for three years and the Caps use a bunch of future 1sts or tie them up via conditionals they're using pretty much the only remaining assets they have that could be used to significantly improve the roster while he's still here. Trading a bunch of future assets to move up for Michkov is essentially throwing in the towel on the Ovechkin era. If they stay at 8 they might end up with Michkov anyway, but worst case they end up with a guy like Benson or Leonard who might not have the highest ceiling, but is at least more likely to contribute while Ovie's here, and they still have those future assets available for a year from now when Mantha's gone, the Backstrom and Kuznetsov situations have been clarified, and the salary cap should start going up again.

If they can move up using other picks from this year and/or 2nd tier prospects like Lapierre, I'm fine with it. When you start talking next year's 1st plus, that's where you lose me.
 
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Does anyone think maybe Kuzy, CMM + 8 would get us to 4 where we could snag MM? Would that be worth it? I get that leaves a gaping hatchet wound at 1/2C which Backstrom can't fill, but with the cap savings we should be able to find a 2C and let Strome play 1st line with Ovie for a couple years?
Overpay
 
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Does anyone think maybe Kuzy, CMM + 8 would get us to 4 where we could snag MM? Would that be worth it? I get that leaves a gaping hatchet wound at 1/2C which Backstrom can't fill, but with the cap savings we should be able to find a 2C and let Strome play 1st line with Ovie for a couple years?
Someone's getting fleeced ...Don't you think adding Ovechkin, Strome and Joe Beninati would make it a more fair deal? The Caps obviously taking a cap dump back to even out the salary..
 

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Nobody wants Kuzy.
Then you don't use him for that move. Trading up in the draft is the type of negotiation where you want to be shaving edges and probably spending as little as possible.

Muddying the waters by introducing the intangible value/cost of the Kuznetsov contract just opens you up to overpaying. Taking on contracts/trading bad ones is its own finesse negotiation but to do it I think you need to expand your market to everyone who wants to take the contract, not just everyone who wants to take the contract and is also drafting higher than you.

It's a two for one move but I really think it risks making the overall value swing pretty mediocre unless Michkov is the guy.
 

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The Caps already have a generational talent (you know, the one mentioned in your username). Even if Michkov ends up being a generational talent too, if he doesn't come over for three years and the Caps use a bunch of future 1sts or tie them up via conditionals they're using pretty much the only remaining assets they have that could be used to significantly improve the roster while he's still here. Trading a bunch of future assets to move up for Michkov is essentially throwing in the towel on the Ovechkin era. If they stay at 8 they might end up with Michkov anyway, but worst case they end up with a guy like Benson or Leonard who might not have the highest ceiling, but is at least more likely to contribute while Ovie's here, and they still have those future assets available for a year from now when Mantha's gone, the Backstrom and Kuznetsov situations have been clarified, and the salary cap should start going up again.

If they can move up using other picks from this year and/or 2nd tier prospects like Lapierre, I'm fine with it. When you start talking next year's 1st plus, that's where you lose me.
I do like Benson or Leonard.

How many organizations get to go from generational talent to generational talent? It is Mario to Crosby, Ovechkin to Michkov. You do not get the chance to add the potential of this player to your roster without having the 1st overall pick in the right year. The Caps have a chance to add someone who would be the 1st overall pick in 9 out of 10 drafts. Go get him.

Also - throwing in the towel on the Ovi era not at all, this is the Caps being a playoff team for the next 15 year.

Yeah it sucks they can't trade 1st's for deadline trades, but they will get back to perennial playoff contenders, and as we saw with Florida, just get in
 

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Someone's getting fleeced ...Don't you think adding Ovechkin, Strome and Joe Beninati would make it a more fair deal? The Caps obviously taking a cap dump back to even out the salary..

I get some people think CMM is untouchable here, but this is hardly getting fleeced. The Caps would love to dump Kuzy but as has been pointed out, no one else wants him. The 8 for the 4 would require some positive value going the other way. That's CMM.

Also, leave the humor to Twabby, you're not funny.
 

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I get some people think CMM is untouchable here, but this is hardly getting fleeced. The Caps would love to dump Kuzy but as has been pointed out, no one else wants him. The 8 for the 4 would require some positive value going the other way. That's CMM.

Also, leave the humor to Twabby, you're not funny.
See above, it's a safer value move to do those trades independently because when you introduce the opportunity for someone to put the payment for trading up in combination with the payment for taking Kuznetsov you end up losing a piece you maybe don't want to lose.

Let's say that piece is Iorio instead of CMM, is that still fun?
 

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The delusion of thinking CMM is the one outweighing Kuznetsov's contract and dropping from 4 to 8 especially when it comes to choosing a "generational" talent (which Mitchkov is not but still) is crazy. I don't even have to be funny, this is just silly talk.
 
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Just a thought... if we're throwing assets for an upgrade to 4, do we not even consider whomever of Fantilli/Carlsson/Smith drops?

I understand the MM hype and agree he'd be the next gen superstar winger - but then what? CMM/Hendrix/Protas to feed him for the next decade?

Our center depth isn't great and any of those 3 would be game changers as well for us. I get the move to 5.. but 4 we have to look at all options don't we?
 

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Just a thought... if we're throwing assets for an upgrade to 4, do we not even consider whomever of Fantilli/Carlsson/Smith drops?

I understand the MM hype and agree he'd be the next gen superstar winger - but then what? CMM/Hendrix/Protas to feed him for the next decade?

Our center depth isn't great and any of those 3 would be game changers as well for us. I get the move to 5.. but 4 we have to look at all options don't we?
I think you should definitely consider those guys as well.
 

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Just a thought... if we're throwing assets for an upgrade to 4, do we not even consider whomever of Fantilli/Carlsson/Smith drops?

I understand the MM hype and agree he'd be the next gen superstar winger - but then what? CMM/Hendrix/Protas to feed him for the next decade?

Our center depth isn't great and any of those 3 would be game changers as well for us. I get the move to 5.. but 4 we have to look at all options don't we?

Since everyone saying we are a lottery team next year too, id say we should pick Celebrini to feed MM.

I dont see us trading up. Even if we wanted to, and found a dance partner, Philly is just gonna outbid us. Ive prepared for Benson or Reinbacher!

And no for Simashev over Reinbacher.

Edit. And yes, if we were to trade up, i think Carlsson would be ahead of Michkov. But i dont think theres a chance Bedard, Fantilli or Carlsson dropping out of top3, or any of those team even considering trading the pick. With Smith, id take MM over him.
 

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Since everyone saying we are a lottery team next year too, id say we should pick Celebrini to feed MM.

I dont see us trading up. Even if we wanted to, and found a dance partner, Philly is just gonna outbid us. Ive prepared for Benson or Reinbacher!

And no for Simashev over Reinbacher.

Edit. And yes, if we were to trade up, i think Carlsson would be ahead of Michkov. But i dont think theres a chance Bedard, Fantilli or Carlsson dropping out of top3, or any of those team even considering trading the pick. With Smith, id take MM over him.
Re: to the bolded I want no D at #8 I would just prefer Simashev over Reinbacher.
 

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Stylistically I heard Simashev’s ceiling being something like K’Andre Miller and my only thought to that is that is an incredibly low ceiling for a #8 overall pick. Miller is fine, good even. But he’s not great or elite. If your ceiling isn’t even great at #8 (great 8 hoho) then that’s not a very good pick.
 
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