2023 Beat the Brass

[Rzombo4 prez]

If our draft sucked so much, we should all be able to beat Draper and Co.

My attempt:

9. Barlow
17. Perrault
41. Nilsson
42. Molgaard
43. Renkopf
73. Dower Nilsson
117. Keenan
137. Cheslock
147. Mania
169. Yegorov
201. Fink

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[redwings8831]

9. Bedard
17. Fantilli
41. Michkov
42. Carlsson
43. Smith
73. Leonard
117. Reinbacher
137. Benson
147. Dvorsky
169. Moore
201. Danielson

 

[saska sault]

Impressive we even managed to move up to #7 even.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

How about letting a computer simulation just pick BPA? Can't be worse than what we got...

Anyway,

9. Danielson
17. Barlow
41. Nilsson
42. Nelson
47. Molgaard
73. Dower Nilsson
117. Dionicio
137. Hamell
147. Bicker
169. Roest
201. Fink

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Impressive we even managed to move up to #7 even.

New Math...New Math

 

[Realgud]

My draft from the other thread

 

[Holden Caufield]

9) Dvorsky. C
17) Perrault. F
41) Dragecevic, D
42) Gibson, D
47) Danny Nelson, C
73) Dower-Nilsson, F
117) Minnetian, D
137) Ratzlaff, G
147) Mania, D
169) Jarvente F
201) Susuyev, F

… What could have been.

 

[lidstromiscool]

I'd be so excited with this draft, can't wait to comeback and see how it ages

9. Danielson
17. Pellika
41. Felix Nilsson (F)
42. Étienne Morin (D)
43. Oscar Fisker Mølgaard (F)
73. Dower Nilsson
117. Aram Minnetian (D)
137. Paul Fischer (D)
147. Luke Mittelstadt (D)
169. Ryan Walsh (F)
201.Connor Levis (F)

 

[norrisnick]

9 - Dvorsky
17 - Barlow
41 - Nelson
42 - Fisker-Molgaard
47 - Ziemmer
73 - Brzustewicz
117, 137, 147, 169, 201 - is whatever. But those are the guys I would have taken chances on at the top end.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

How about letting a computer simulation just pick BPA? Can't be worse than what we got...

AI scouting department?

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

AI scouting department?

Or just the "auto simulate" button on tankathon.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Or just the "auto simulate" button on tankathon.

Throw it up

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

With a grain of salt because at the time we don’t know if they’d be available later on.

9. Danielson
17. Perrault
41. Heidt
42. Dragicevic
43. Kantserov
73. Dower Nilsson
117. Mukhanov

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Draft Simulator

The realgud draft simulator is also realgud. If all the selections for the other teams remain the same, save for the variations caused by new selections by Detroit, we could have ended up with an A+ draft.

 

[Go Wings]

Willander at 9 and Barlow at 17 would have done it.

 

[Frk It]

9- Dalibor Dvorsky
17- Gabriel Perreault
41- Danny Nelson
42- Etienne Morin
47- Lukas Dragicevic
73- Koehn Ziemmer
117- Cam Allen
137- Matthew Mania
147- Thomas Milic
169- Jeremy Hanzel
201- Owen Beckner

 

[RedHawkDown]

I try and trust the brass, but I think this is our worst since 2017. I’ll set myself a calendar reminder 3 years in the future to bump this. Either I’ll own myself or be proven right.

Only the 1st three rounds as I’m not going to pretend to care about 4th+ round picks.

9. Benson (still hurts)
17. Barlow or ASP (OK with ASP here)
41. Riley Heidt
42. Nick Lardis
43. Gracyn Sawchyn (or Maxim Strbak, if Barlow at 17).
73. Ziemmer (but happy with NDN here, so this is whatever)

It’s that Benson pick and the 2nd round shit show that will haunt us, I think. Let’s see. I’ll self-administer crow in 3 years if I’m wrong.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

1 (9). Danielson
1 (17). Moore
2 (41). Dragicevic
2 (42). Nilsson
2 (43). Heidt
3 (73). Ziemmer

 

[DatsyukToZetterberg]

My favorite thread of the year. I'll include my updated list, I didn't get a chance to post it in the draft thread before it was locked, as well as the current DtZ Drafted Wings team and prospect pool.

Spoiler: 2023 Draft List

Tier	Rank	Player	Pos
1​	1​	Connor Bedard	F
2​	2​	Adam Fantilli	F
2​	3​	Matvei Michkov	F
2​	4​	Leo Carlsson	F
2​	5​	Will Smith	F
3​	6​	Dalibor Dvorský	F
3​	7​	David Reinbacher	D
4​	8​	Zach Benson	F
4​	9​	Gabe Perreault	F
4​	10​	Andrew Cristall	F
4​	11​	Matthew Wood	F
4​	12​	Quentin Musty	F
4​	13​	Eduard Sale	F
4​	14​	Oliver Moore	F
4​	15​	Ryan Leonard	F
4​	16​	Axel Sandin Pellikka	D
5​	17​	Lukas Dragicevic	D
5​	18​	Etienne Morin	D
5​	19​	Gavin Brindley	F
5​	20​	Samuel Honzek	F
5​	21​	Riley Heidt	F
5​	22​	Mikhail Gulyayev	D
5​	24​	Luca Cagnoni	D
5​	25​	Michael Hrabal	G
5​	26​	Brayden Yager	F
5​	27​	Koehn Ziemmer	F
5​	28​	Bradly Nadeau	F
5​	29​	Mazden Leslie	D
5​	30​	Colby Barlow	F
5​	31​	Nate Danielson	F
5​	32​	Jacob Fowler	G
6​	33​	Hunter Brzustewicz	D
6​	34​	Otto Stenberg	F
6​	35​	Trey Augustine	G
6​	36​	Daniil But	F
6​	37​	Tristan Bertucci	D
6​	38​	Noah Dower Nilsson	F
6​	39​	Nick Lardis	F
6​	40​	Roman Kantserov	F
6​	41​	Danny Nelson	F
6​	42​	Calum Ritchie	F
6​	43​	Charlie Stramel	F
6​	44​	Dmitry Simashev	D
6​	45​	Jayden Perron	F
6​	46​	Kasper Halttunen	F
6​	47​	Tom Willander	D
6​	48​	Gracyn Sawchyn	F
6​	49​	Alex Ciernik	F
6​	50​	Beau Akey	D
6​	51​	Tanner Ludtke	F
7​	52​	Tanner Molendyk	D
7​	53​	Carson Bjarnason	G
7​	54​	Noa Vali	G
7​	55​	Aydar Suniev	F
7​	56​	Luca Pinelli	F
7​	57​	Yegor Klimovich	F
7​	58​	Timur Mukhanov	F
7​	59​	Adam Dybal	G
7​	60​	Scott Ratzlaff	G
7​	61​	Thomas Milic	G
7​	62​	William Whitelaw	F
7​	63​	Kalan Lind	F
7​	64​	Lenni Hämeenaho	F
7​	65​	Jesse Kiiskinen	F
7​	66​	Caden Price	D
7​	67​	Hudson Thornton	D
7​	68​	Egor Sidorov	F
7​	69​	Felix Nilsson	F
7​	70​	Ben Robertson	D
7​	71​	Gavin McCarthy	D
7​	72​	Yegor Zavragin	G
7​	73​	Alexander Rykov	F
7​	74​	Oskar Asplund	D
8​	75​	Aiden Fink	F
8​	76​	Justin Kipkie	D
8​	77​	Oscar Fisker Mølgaard	F
8​	78​	Mathieu Cataford	F
8​	79​	Maxim Strbak	D
8​	80​	Denver Barkey	F
8​	81​	Oliver Bonk	D
8​	82​	Peteris Bulans	D
8​	83​	Ethan Gauthier	F
8​	84​	Cam Squires	F
8​	85​	Adam Gajan	G
8​	86​	Andrew Strathmann	D
8​	87​	Damian Clara	G
8​	88​	Arttu Kärki	D
9​	89​	Matthew Mania	D
9​	90​	Andrew Gibson	D
9​	91​	Connor Levis	F
9​	92​	Ryan Conmy	F
9​	93​	Gavyn Thoreson	F
9​	94​	Felix Unger Sörum	F
9​	95​	Coulson Pitre	F
9​	96​	Rodwin Dionicio	D
9​	97​	Nico Myatovic	F
9​	98​	Andrei Loshko	F
9​	99​	Jordan Tourigny	D
9​	100​	Luke Mittelstadt	D
9​	101​	Arvid Bergstrom	D
9​	102​	Ian Blomquist	G
9​	103​	Noah Erliden	G
10​	104​	Hoyt Stanley	D
10​	105​	Matthew Soto	F
10​	106​	Declan Waddick	D
10​	107​	Kalem Parker	D
10​	108​	Tommaso De Luca	F
10​	109​	Austin Roest	F
10​	110​	Gabriel Szturc	F
10​	111​	Filip Eriksson (04)	F
10​	112​	Niks Fenenko	D
10​	113​	Markus Vidicek	F
10​	114​	Pier-Olivier Roy	D
10​	115​	Cole Knuble	F
10​	116​	Jeremy Wilmer	F
10​	117​	Jacob Guévin	D
10​	118​	Josh Nadeau	F
10​	119​	Zeb Forsfjall	F
10​	120​	Angus MacDonell	F
10​	121​	Samuel Urban	G

These are the picks I'd have made for the actual Wings:

9 - Dalibor Dvorsky, C
17 - Gabriel Perreault, W
41 - Lukas Dragicevic, D
42 - Etienne Morin, D
47 - Jacob Fowler, G
73 - Koehn Ziemmer, W
117- Luca Cagnoni, D
137- Mazden Leslie, D
147- Timur Mukhanov, W
169 - Ben Robertson, D
201- Adam Dybal, G

I got 8 guys in my top 50 and every pick was someone in my top 75.

And below is the fantasy version of the Wings that I've been drafting for

Spoiler: DtZ Red Wings

To begin, this is the link to last years draft. After a year I think I'm still pretty happy with the draft. I do wish I had taken Hutson over Casey, but I still think Casey has #2/3 upside.

At the NHL level the team looks like this (Bold indicates drafted by me):

Eklund - Larkin - Vilardi
Berggren - Zegras - UFA/Trade
UFA/Trade - Rossi - Dorofeyev
UFA/Trade- Veleno- Ruzicka
Fabbri - Zadina

Walman - UFA/Trade
UFA/Trade - Addison
Prospect - UFA/Trade
Lindstrom

Husso
Levi

Not being able to make trades or signings makes it tough to address the missing pieces. Overall I'm still happy with where this team is going. As I mentioned last year I'd have traded for Marcus Pettersson which would give us the 2nd pair LHD. I think this year I'd look into seeing if the Flames would move Tanev and if the Jets would move Nino; while also and adding Zucker, Fast, and Gudas from FA. I think the 3rd pairing LHD spot could go to Poirier or Mintyukov

Looking at the prospect pool we have the following squad:

Gabriel Perreault - Dalibor Dvorsky - Gleb Trikozov
Koehn Ziemmer - Aatu Raty - Daniil Gushchin
Noel Gunler - Roni Hirvonen - Samuel Fagemo
Nikola Pasic - Tucker Robertson - Dmitry Ovchinnikov
Zion Nybeck - Servac Petrovsky - Patrik Puistola
Alex Pashin - Tyson Dyck - Timur Mukhanov

Pavel Mintyukov - Lukas Dragicevic
Etienne Morin - Seamus Casey
Jeremie Poirier - Anttoni Honka
Luca Cagnoni - Mazden Leslie
Vladimir Grudinin - William Villeneuve
Ben Robertson - Kyle Masters
Jake Furlong- Jacob Guevin
Anton Olsson- Anton Johannesson

Jesper Wallstedt
Dustin Wolf
Jacob Fowler
Amir Miftakhov
Adam Dybal
Hugo Havelid

Ryan McCleary, Eric Alarie, Nikola Pasic, & Samuel Johannesson have all been let go in fantasy world.

Overall, I would say the developed prospects are on par or better than what the Wings have done. The combo of Wallstedt, Wolf, and Levi is an incredible trio and sets the Wings up for a while. I've only recently started to consider the balance of the prospect pool, in terms of F vs D, so that's why the NHL team is lacking (eg: I took Mintyukov last year instead of Savoie).

As of now I would say my best picks have been Levi & Wolf. I'm hoping that over the next few years I'll see some better returns from my later round picks.

 

[GMR]

I never heard of any of these kids before the draft and even if I had, there’s no clue how well any of them turn out. This is like rolling dice.

 

[Cyborg Yzerberg]

If our draft sucked so much, we should all be able to beat Draper and Co.

My attempt:

9. Barlow
17. Perrault
41. Nilsson
42. Molgaard
43. Renkopf
73. Dower Nilsson
117. Keenan
137. Cheslock
147. Mania
169. Yegorov
201. Fink

Lol this is worse

 

[Martinez]

9. Zach benson
17. Oliver Moore
41. Gracyn Sawchyn
42. Riley Heidt
47. Oskar Fisker Molgaard
73. Jayden Perron
117. Larry Keenan
137. Vojtech Port
147. Arno Tiefensee
169. Maros Jedlicka
201. Mazden Leslie

 

[Run the Jewels]

I'll just Hakan it as best I can. He's our best scout.

9. Dalibor Dvorsky (comp: William Karlsson)

Pronman: Dvorsky is quite dangerous inside the offensive zone. He has excellent puck skills in small areas and can make checkers miss routinely in open ice. He can make tough plays and find seams. He excels as a goal scorer, though, with a wrist shot and one-timer that he can often finish from range. Dvorsky’s compete is good, he wins puck battles and he isn’t shy from using his body. Like a lot of shooters he can stay too much on the perimeter instead of taking it to the net, but I never watch his games and think he lacks effort. His footspeed is going to be an issue for higher levels. I think with his offensive talent, his work ethic and strong and consistent track record of scoring he finds a way to become a very important part of an NHL lineup, but I’m less sure of whether he sticks down the middle or has to be a winger due to his skating.​

17. Axel Sandin Pelikka (comp: Cam York)

Pronman: Sandin Pellikka is a highly creative and intelligent puck-mover. He has excellent puck skills, showing the ability to beat opponents often with skill. He can improvise well with the puck, while also showing strong playmaking ability with the poise to make plays from the blue line at the highest levels. He is a goal-scoring threat who can score from range but also pinches well to get scoring opportunities. He skates well enough, and can make plays on the move creating offense off the rush and from blue-line activations. Sandin Pellikka lacks ideal NHL size for a defenseman but he competes well and doesn’t shy from using his body to lay into opposing forwards. His defense will be his main question at the NHL level, but I think he plays hard enough to be a top-four defenseman.​

41. Felix Nilsson

Pronman: Nilsson is a skilled forward. He has strong stickhandling abilities and can often beat checkers with skill. Inside the offensive zone he’s an excellent passer who can create a lot off the perimeter. His shot is good enough to be a threat that way but he’s more of a natural playmaker. Nilsson isn’t highly physical, but he shows up every night, gets to the net and gives a solid effort. His skating is solid. He’s not explosive, but he can carry pucks up ice and create off the rush. I don’t know if the toolkit stands out enough overall, but he has a real chance to play games in a bottom six.​

42. Roman Kantserov

Pronman: Kantserov is undersized at 5-foot-9, but has a lot of other traits that make you think he will score as a pro. Most important is the way he skates and plays with pace. Kantserov can generate a lot of controlled entries and make plays in transition. Kantserov has very good puck skills, showing great small-area skill and the ability to improvise with the puck. He can move the puck well while also being a shot threat from the circles. His size is a concern though, and while he competes fine and killed penalties in the MHL I don’t know if he’s so competitive that it will get him over the hump as a smaller forward to be a regular in the NHL. I think he can get some games though.​

47. Oscar Fisker Mølgaard (comp: Dillon Dube)

Pronman: Molgaard has a play style that will translate to playing versus men. He’s a strong skater with a powerful, quick stride. He also has a directness to how he plays. He pushes the pace, and takes pucks to the net. Molgaard has an average-sized frame but doesn’t shy from traffic. He has very good hands and can make tough plays through opponents and to his teammates as well. I can see him being a middle six forward, and while his frame may push him to the wing, he has some of the traits to be a third-line NHL center as well.​

73. Noah Dower Nilsson

Pronman: Dower Nilsson is a player full of offensive abilities. He has great stickhandling skills, very good vision and overall offensive IQ while also being a major shot threat from the circles with his wrist shot and one timer. Dower Nilsson can do a lot in the offensive zone, but getting into it with puck control is his main issue, as he lacks footspeed, and his compete level can be inconsistent often being pushed to the perimeter or off pucks too easily. He has NHL offensive touch, but until he rounds out his game I can’t stamp him as a legit NHL player yet.​

117. Juha Jatkola

Pronman: Jatkola had a solid season as a starting goalie for KalPa. The 20-year-old got some games with Finland’s national team, where he was succesful. He split starts at the summer world juniors as well. Jatkola has good quickness and hockey sense and looks like a solid pro goalie. The question is, with a 6-foot-1 frame, whether the tool kit is special enough at that size to be an NHL goalie. My lean as of now is to no, but he’s trending up and I could see myself being wrong on him.​

137. Rasmus Larsson

Pronman: Larsson’s natural athleticism is his big selling point. He’s a very strong skater for a guy who is 6-foot-3. The way he’s able to skate pucks up ice and close on checks with his feet looks like an NHL defenseman. The rest of his game outside of that is up for debate. He scored a lot this year and showed skill/IQ, but whether that’s what he projects to be as a pro is questionable. He’s also a so-so defender who doesn’t compete that hard in his own end. Thus he’s rough around the edges, but has the potential to be a good defenseman.​

147. Kevin Bicker

Pronman: Bicker is a hard-working forward who skates well enough, but his pure skill level is a question for the pro level.​

169. Zeb Forsfjall

Pronman: Forsfjall is a strong playmaking forward. He can run a power play well enough and find seams to create chances. He has good hands and can create in small areas too. He’s not that big or physical, but Forsfjall gives an honest effort every night, can PK, and wins enough puck battles. Forsfjall has played center in junior regularly but I’m guessing he’s a wing as a pro due to his frame. He has strong speed and in-tight quickness although it’s not elite small guy skating. He has talent, but whether there’s enough in his game to be a legit NHL’er is up for debate.​

201. Yegor Rimashevskiy

Pronman: Rimashevskiy is a good-sized winger with excellent offensive touch. He can make a lot of highly-creative skill plays with the puck and use his reach to maintain posession quite well. Rimashevskiy is a strong playmaker and finisher. He has the strong hockey IQ to see tough passing lanes and knows how to attacks defenses in various ways to create chances. The only thing that will hold him back is his skating, He lacks quick twitch in his lower half for the NHL level. His work ethic is good enough. He can kill penalties and gives a strong enough effort to be a bottom six wing in the NHL.​

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Lol this is worse

Absolutely could be. That is the point.

 

[HisNoodliness]

9) Dvorsky. C
17) Perrault. F
41) Dragecevic, D
42) Gibson, D
47) Danny Nelson, C
73) Dower-Nilsson, F
117) Minnetian, D
137) Ratzlaff, G
147) Mania, D
169) Jarvente F
201) Susuyev, F

… What could have been.

9- Dalibor Dvorsky
17- Gabriel Perreault
41- Danny Nelson
42- Etienne Morin
47- Lukas Dragicevic
73- Koehn Ziemmer
117- Cam Allen
137- Matthew Mania
147- Thomas Milic
169- Jeremy Hanzel
201- Owen Beckner

Can I just endorse these lists instead of posting one that isn't too different?