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Rumor: 2023-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Season Thread

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Avs_19 said:
Nor should it. Players get screwed over enough as it is with restrictions and the league has already taken a lot of the fun out of it. If anything, go in the other direction and allow FA at an earlier age and get more player movement started.
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You're right, parity sucks.
 
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Balthazar said:
I can see it. Small market owners would do it because they fear term and big market owners would do it because they'd easily attract the stars that left the small markets at age 25.

Everyone wins except fans of small and unattractive markets. Thet get hosed. Also sucks for those people that think that drafting is important.
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Avs_19 said:
Nor should it. Players get screwed over enough as it is with restrictions and the league has already taken a lot of the fun out of it. If anything, go in the other direction and allow FA at an earlier age and get more player movement started.
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I'm in between on it. The shortening of RFA rights lessens the chances of viability outside the big markets (which we are not a big market team, so would suck for us). It also takes away the traditional way NHL teams have been built and managed over time. The precap days were even more extreme with RFA until 31... but holdouts and demands were much more common.

At the same point, the game could really use stars being able to be seen in major markets. McDavid in LA, New York, or Toronto would be a massive windfall... players being able to escape incompetent management (again McDavid) would be great. Being able to have actual UFAs who can make a long-term impact and not have the future ruined would be awesome. The money that you'd pay a 23 year old McDavid and having him worth every penny would be interesting.

As an Avs fan, selfishly, I prefer the older age. Avs can actually keep their players longer and build with them. If we were at 5 years of service/25, odds are we'd be looking at losing Makar next summer or the year after.
 
I know the players are paid a salary that while I'm an accountant, I can't really comprehend the lifestyle it affords so I say this viewed through my own experiences with say the Navy and then all other industries I've dabbled in since. My initial hitch in the Navy was for six years (to be a Nuke). No matter how much you grow or your life changes, you are incapable of moving on until your EOS.

I think five years of team control prior to free-agency is plenty, as long as the clock doesn't start ticking until the player turns pro/signs their ELC.
 
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henchman21 said:
I'm in between on it. The shortening of RFA rights lessens the chances of viability outside the big markets (which we are not a big market team, so would suck for us). It also takes away the traditional way NHL teams have been built and managed over time. The precap days were even more extreme with RFA until 31... but holdouts and demands were much more common.

At the same point, the game could really use stars being able to be seen in major markets. McDavid in LA, New York, or Toronto would be a massive windfall... players being able to escape incompetent management (again McDavid) would be great. Being able to have actual UFAs who can make a long-term impact and not have the future ruined would be awesome. The money that you'd pay a 23 year old McDavid and having him worth every penny would be interesting.

As an Avs fan, selfishly, I prefer the older age. Avs can actually keep their players longer and build with them. If we were at 5 years of service/25, odds are we'd be looking at losing Makar next summer or the year after.
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I'm more than OK that a smaller, unattractive market gets McDavid...and I really dislike the Oilers.

I wanted CBJ to get Bedard, not Chicago.

Younger free agents means that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. That sucks for parity and fans.
 
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Balthazar said:
I'm more than OK that a smaller, unattractive market gets McDavid...and I really dislike the Oilers.

I wanted CBJ to get Bedard, not Chicago.

Younger free agents means that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. That sucks for parity and fans.
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McDavid still would have went to the Oilers, but they'd have been on the clock right away. The early years of Edmonton not making the playoffs or being a terrible team and being out immediately would have lead to them likely losing McDavid in 2020 or 2021. So they still would have had a chance, but upon failing, they would have likely lost him.

I see both sides of it. The risk is turning into the NBA where player movement is everywhere and building a small market team takes a stroke of luck... like Joker or Giannis. On the flip side, the league is limited because some of the biggest stars play in markets nobody really cares about. If Makar was in Toronto or LA, he'd be a much, much bigger name name outside the hockey world.

I wouldn't say it is 100% the case of the rich getting richer though... baseball is very much a rich getting richer sport and they have some of the longest restrictions on tenure. The cap would put a limit on it. There would certainly be less parity than today... and alongside that markets like Winnipeg, Arizona, Carolina, Florida (maybe... the right owner could get all the Russians), Isles, Sens, and Oilers would all have issues surviving.
 
henchman21 said:
McDavid still would have went to the Oilers, but they'd have been on the clock right away. The early years of Edmonton not making the playoffs or being a terrible team and being out immediately would have lead to them likely losing McDavid in 2020 or 2021. So they still would have had a chance, but upon failing, they would have likely lost him.

I see both sides of it. The risk is turning into the NBA where player movement is everywhere and building a small market team takes a stroke of luck... like Joker or Giannis. On the flip side, the league is limited because some of the biggest stars play in markets nobody really cares about. If Makar was in Toronto or LA, he'd be a much, much bigger name name outside the hockey world.

I wouldn't say it is 100% the case of the rich getting richer though... baseball is very much a rich getting richer sport and they have some of the longest restrictions on tenure. The cap would put a limit on it. There would certainly be less parity than today... and alongside that markets like Winnipeg, Arizona, Carolina, Florida (maybe... the right owner could get all the Russians), Isles, Sens, and Oilers would all have issues surviving.
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I literally see 0 upside for the fans.
 
henchman21 said:
Fans of LA, New York, Toronto, etc have massive upside, you can't see that?
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That's a rich get richer thing. At the expense of other cities.

Good ways to build a team:

- draft well
- develop well
- hire the good people


Shit ways to build a team:

- be in a low tax area
- be where nightlife is fun
- be near the ocean
- be in a warmer climate
 
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Balthazar said:
That's a rich get richer thing. At the expense of other cities.

Good ways to build a team:

- draft well
- develop well
- hire the good people


Shit ways to build a team:

- be in a low tax area
- be where nightlife is fun
- be near the ocean
- be in a warmer climate
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But that is an upside for those fans. It is just a different set of fans. As fans of the Avs, we'd likely get boned... but Rags, they'd be back to getting Lindros and Jagr, just this time in their pure prime.
 
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henchman21 said:
But that is an upside for those fans. It is just a different set of fans. As fans of the Avs, we'd likely get boned... but Rags, they'd be back to getting Lindros and Jagr, just this time in their pure prime.
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But those fans are already privileged. Latest example PLD forced his way out of Winnipeg to go LA simply because of where the city is located.

I'm not sure how increasing this privilege even further would be beneficial. Keep in mind that you have to take from one fanbase to give to the other.
 
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Balthazar said:
But those fans are already privileged. Latest example PLD forced his way out of Winnipeg to go LA simply because of where the city is located.

I'm not sure how increasing this privilege even further would be beneficial. Keep in mind that you have to take from one fanbase to give to the other.
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Yeah but taking away 100k from Arizona and getting 1m extra in LA has benefits to the league as a whole and LA. McDavid in LA, New York, or Toronto would grow the game at a much more rapid rate and bring in more fans than McDavid in Edmonton.
 
So... who doesn't have these ?

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henchman21 said:
Yeah but taking away 100k from Arizona and getting 1m extra in LA has benefits to the league as a whole and LA. McDavid in LA, New York, or Toronto would grow the game at a much more rapid rate and bring in more fans than McDavid in Edmonton.
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Those fan bases dont really have any more money to give. Ticket prices are already ridiculous in those areas and NHL is a gate driven league.
 
henchman21 said:
Yeah but taking away 100k from Arizona and getting 1m extra in LA has benefits to the league as a whole and LA. McDavid in LA, New York, or Toronto would grow the game at a much more rapid rate and bring in more fans than McDavid in Edmonton.
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There are probably statistics on this that prove me wrong, but as a diehard Avs fan, but not exactly a diehard "watch all of the games" NHL fan, I find myself more likely to watch a playoff series as a neutral if there's a larger market team involved. When I was younger and had more free time, sure give me Florida vs Carolina whatever, but nowadays I'd probably only pay half attention to that series until Game 4. On the other hand, I will watch all of Montreal vs Toronto, no questions asked.
 
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I don't read the main board much anymore but it's hilarious looking at the power rankings. So many people have Colorado as the #1 team and currently have the 3rd most votes total behind Carolina/Vegas. I don't even think some of the most optimistic fans here would have us in that spot with the current roster.

Honestly feels like most of the time the general public is far higher on us than the fanbase.
 
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ANewHope said:
I don't read the main board much anymore but it's hilarious looking at the power rankings. So many people have Colorado as the #1 team and currently have the 3rd most votes total behind Carolina/Vegas. I don't even think some of the most optimistic fans here would have us in that spot with the current roster.

Honestly feels like most of the time the general public is far higher on us than the fanbase.
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I have us as #1 :)
 
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