Rumor: 2023-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Part Deux

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henchman21

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No chance they offer 92M for 7 years, even less so with those bonuses. Hawks could in theory but that would ruin their internal cap structure and I don't believe it.

Nylander took absolutely everything he could. Max cap hit, max number of years, max bonuses, full NMC. He made 0 concession on any front and Treliving agreed.

88m over 7 still likely makes Nylander ahead. All those teams could afford could afford 12.5m if they wanted to. The Bruins might have made a huge effort for it given the Nylander/Pasta history (which probably gives them even more incentive to go after Lindholm now).

Nylander didn't give them a break... I'm not saying he did. Somebody would pay him 12+ though.
 

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No chance they offer 92M for 7 years, even less so with those bonuses. Hawks could in theory but that would ruin their internal cap structure and I don't believe it.

Nylander took absolutely everything he could. Max cap hit, max number of years, max bonuses, full NMC. He made 0 concession on any front and Treliving agreed.
No chance in bruins giving Nylander anywhere near Pasternak's deal. Nylander going to arizona would have been funny though.
 

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That's exactly why the Hawks wouldn't have offered him a 13.2M X 7 contract with 69M in bonuses.
No, but something around 7x11.5 or 7x12.

80 million or 92 million, these players don't care about that. It's the AAV that matters, because that's the ego boost.
 

henchman21

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No chance in bruins giving Nylander anywhere near Pasternak's deal. Nylander going to arizona would have been funny though.
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If you’ll allow me I’d like to start with a suggestion that my colleague, Chris Johnston, recently wrote about in The Athletic. Big Money Ceej wrote about how the Colorado Avalanche have the assets that would work in a Lindholm trade, including a 2024 first-round pick and young defenceman Bowen Byram. Somewhere along the way, some eager fans online took it as the Flames needing both a first and Byram to make a deal work.

I think it’s more likely that the Flames get a first-round pick and a lesser prospect, or a higher-quality prospect and a lower draft pick. Of course, the asking price changes depending on if Lindholm’s contract can be extended.

Colorado, however, makes perfect sense as a landing spot as it needs a second-line centre. Boston fascinates me as a trade target, too. The Bruins went from being in a centre drought without David Krejci and Patrice Bergeron to having as many as seven. Matthew Poitras would carry some value to Calgary as a 19-year-old, right-shot centre. Would the Bruins be willing to move him to get Lindholm?

Some other teams I’m wondering about? Nashville. The Predators have the cap space to afford Lindholm, and they want to be a playoff team. They have their 2024 first-round pick and a trio of second-round picks too. The Detroit Red Wings still have cap space and a fighting chance at a wild-card spot, too. Could they be in play? If the Flames play their cards right, there should be a handful of suitors looking to add Lindholm ahead of the deadline.
 

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No chance they offer 92M for 7 years, even less so with those bonuses. Hawks could in theory but that would ruin their internal cap structure and I don't believe it.

Nylander took absolutely everything he could. Max cap hit, max number of years, max bonuses, full NMC. He made 0 concession on any front and Treliving agreed.
That contract is also lockout proof for when the current CBA expires.
 

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That contract is also lockout proof for when the current CBA expires.
Realistically that is true. Technically, a rollback could still be instituted against the contract. If the NHLPA and NHL agreed on a 25% rollback, any unpaid salary and bonuses would be subject to the rollback. Odds of that happening are insanely low though.
 

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People can feel free to disagree but Marner's the one I'd move on from.

Also, kinda concerning for the Leafs that they have a VERY expensive core of forwards up front who are extremely talented, but don't have a legit #1 defenseman on the back end.
Agreed. I would move on from Marner and would likely try to trade him next Summer if possible.
 

henchman21

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People can feel free to disagree but Marner's the one I'd move on from.

Also, kinda concerning for the Leafs that they have a VERY expensive core of forwards up front who are extremely talented, but don't have a legit #1 defenseman on the back end.
I find the Leafs to be a fun experiment... can you win with high skill forwards alone?

Agreed. I would move on from Marner and would likely try to trade him next Summer if possible.
If I was the Leafs, I'd be shopping him to get the best possible RD... given how good Marner is, even with his injuries you can probably get a damn good player.
 
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I find the Leafs to be a fun experiment... can you win with high skill forwards alone?


If I was the Leafs, I'd be shopping him to get the best possible RD... given how good Marner is, even with his injuries you can probably get a damn good player.
But Marner and Matthews suck bad in the playoffs. Who would give up a good D (so to speak) for Marner?
 
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But Marner and Matthews suck bad in the playoffs. Who would give up a good D (so to speak) for Marner?
Their struggles are overblown, but ignoring that... any team that needs scoring would love Marner. He's an all situations top line winger who can help on the PP and is likely a 90+ point guy for the next 5+ years. So Isles, Columbus, Vegas, and Seattle all would love to get into that sort of discussion.

Frankly, Marner would probably get a lot more interest than Rants on the trade market... simply due to Marner's defensive and PK ability.
 
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One thing that's been kinda knocking around in my head for a while was that I fully expected CMac to make a follow up trade after moving Tartar out. Still puzzled by that, but I suppose it lends credence to thought that maybe Thomas quietly asked to be moved.

Their struggles are overblown, but ignoring that... any team that needs scoring would love Marner. He's an all situations top line winger who can help on the PP and is likely a 90+ point guy for the next 5+ years. So Isles, Columbus, Vegas, and Seattle all would love to get into that sort of discussion.

Frankly, Marner would probably get a lot more interest than Rants on the trade market... simply due to Marner's defensive and PK ability.
Damn, the idea of Columbus landing Marner sounds great. I'd hate for him to come out west unless it's because he has a true affection for the Colorado River.
 

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Damn, the idea of Columbus landing Marner sounds great. I'd hate for him to come out west unless it's because he has a true affection for the Colorado River.
I promise you if that happened Paul Marner would be using every single connection he has to force a trade of his son 24 hours later.
 

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I'm pretty sure even his wife doesn't... can you imagine how that to-do list would just grow and grow? The grass gets a foot tall. The garage spills each time the door is opened. That one trim piece remains unpainted for 4 years.
The 4M from Nashville goes along way.
 

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Leafs fans have been regretting the Tavares signing for years now, seemingly realizing that having so much money locked into 3 forwards isn't ideal. But Nylander will totally be different! The cap is going up!
It's not a great structure, cap increase or not. That money doesn't come from a vacuum. Every player, from plug to playmaker, will demand more on the market as a result.
 

Cousin Eddie

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I can’t help but assume it’s way too much of a risk for the Avs given his age, contract and injury history but with the way Couturier is playing he would be a perfect fit for what this team needs.

Not only do the Avs lack a 2C from a secondary scoring perspective, but their team defense as a whole is atrocious. The breakdowns and chances they’re giving up is unlike anything I’ve seen since this team got good. I believe part of the reason for this is because they don’t have an effective shutdown centre. Compher wasn’t the 2C we dreamed of but he took a lot of those tough matchups and played them well. Before that we had a combo of Compher/Kadri. Hell, even though he sucked offensively Bednar used Eller for this at times. He doesn’t have that centre anymore. Colton sucks defensively (and is playing the wrong position). RyJo sucks period. The 4th line C who I can never even remember his name because he’s so meh isn’t getting those minutes. So now Bednar’s only option is to use the Mackinnon line and it’s causing them to be overplayed even more.

Couturier’s defensive play is close to what it was when he was a Selke winner and he looks to be getting better with each game. He’d give us what we need and allow the top guys to play less and focus on the situations they’re meant to focus on.

Risky. But I wouldn’t hate it.
 

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I can’t help but assume it’s way too much of a risk for the Avs given his age, contract and injury history but with the way Couturier is playing he would be a perfect fit for what this team needs.

Not only do the Avs lack a 2C from a secondary scoring perspective, but their team defense as a whole is atrocious. The breakdowns and chances they’re giving up is unlike anything I’ve seen since this team got good. I believe part of the reason for this is because they don’t have an effective shutdown centre. Compher wasn’t the 2C we dreamed of but he took a lot of those tough matchups and played them well. Before that we had a combo of Compher/Kadri. Hell, even though he sucked offensively Bednar used Eller for this at times. He doesn’t have that centre anymore. Colton sucks defensively (and is playing the wrong position). RyJo sucks period. The 4th line C who I can never even remember his name because he’s so meh isn’t getting those minutes. So now Bednar’s only option is to use the Mackinnon line and it’s causing them to be overplayed even more.

Couturier’s defensive play is close to what it was when he was a Selke winner and he looks to be getting better with each game. He’d give us what we need and allow the top guys to play less and focus on the situations they’re meant to focus on.

Risky. But I wouldn’t hate it.

Couts would literally disintegrate if he was traded to the Avs. That injury history + Avs = certain death.
 
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