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Not only did he try to dangle too much, but something that stood out to me on Saturday was just how sloppy he can look handling the puck. To use another basketball analogy, he has a loose handle. Watching him, I couldn't help but wonder how he would look playing with a shorter stick. I know how much he relies on that long reach to defend, but maybe as his skating improves and he can defend more with his feet, he could rely less on reach and play with a slightly shorter stick that allows him to handle the puck better. Sometimes he looks like a kid playing with stick that's a foot too long for him.

The Good
-Yakemchuk was assertive and generated a good number of chances for himself and teammates. He could have easily come away from that game with a goal and a couple assists. He was definitely the most (and only?) dangerous player on Calgary.

The Bad
-The more I watch, the more I think he's limited in how he sees the game offensively. Doesn't mean he can't be productive in the NHL, but I'm starting to see a ceiling. People have thrown around Bouchard as a comparison, but Bouchard sees the ice at an elite level. It's what allows him to play the game in a rocking chair and still create so much. Yakemchuk doesn't seem to have that. I haven't seen that special ability to slow things down, to manipulate defenders, to create with his brain. Maybe it comes, but I still see a guy who's style of offence is to attack at one speed and in straight lines.

Down 2-0, Calgary is in real danger of getting bounced this round. They look like a well coached, low-skill team that finished high in the standings by playing consistent, low-event hockey, but that lacks the firepower to make a serious playoff run.
Nice to have a completely unbiased opinion . Thank you. Keep 'em coming.

I don't mind celebrating other prospects accomplishments, especially when they stand out. Its fun watching the young guys develop. Continuing to bash other prospects to attempt to make the guy, you lean so far over on its unbalanced, look somewhat better in comparison, I find very hard to take seriously.
 
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Nice to have a completely unbiased opinion . Thank you. Keep 'em coming.

I don't mind celebrating other prospects accomplishments, especially when they stand out. Its fun watching the young guys develop. Continuing to bash other prospects to attempt to make the guy, you lean so far over on its unbalanced, look somewhat better in comparison, I find very hard to take seriously.
Is it better to bash our own prospects because the Sens didn’t take the guys people wanted? Because that happens a ton on here too.

There’s a lot of actual good discussion on Yak on both sides and personally I enjoy reading the constructive stuff. I’ve had mixed feelings on him in my own viewings. But it is tiring how often people tear down virtually every Sens draft pick because they don’t like their drafting philosophy. It’s like the same thing on repeat every year.
 
But it is tiring how often people tear down virtually every Sens draft pick because they don’t like their drafting philosophy. It’s like the same thing on repeat every year.
That’s because they’ve been doing the same nauseating things over the years. This drafting philosophy is why we have Tyler Boucher playing a grinding role in the minors instrad of Matthew Coronato scoring goals for us in the NHL. I’ll stop repeating the same complaints when they stop doing this shit.
 
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That’s because they’ve been doing the same nauseating things over the years. This drafting philosophy is why we have Tyler Boucher playing a grinding role in the minors instrad of Matthew Coronato scoring goals for us in the NHL. I’ll stop repeating the same complaints when they stop doing this shit.
So the solution is to take a bunch of teenage prospects and disparage them? Have at it I guess.

You can disagree with a choice and still accept it.
 
I think it would be interesting to hear what the Senators scouts are thinking internally about the picks they've been making over the last few seasons. To what do they attribute an almost uniform lack of success for Sens prospects in the immediate aftermath of being drafted?

Do they think it's just a run of bad luck or are they taking a look at whether their philosophy needs some adjusting?
 
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I think it would be interesting to hear what the Senators scouts are thinking internally about the picks they've been making over the last few seasons. To what do they attribute an almost uniform lack of success for Sens prospects in the immediate aftermath of being drafted?

Do they think it's just a run of bad luck or are they taking a look at whether their philosophy needs some adjusting?
It needs to be answered. It’s been a horrific stretch.

We haven’t had a single guy since 2020 who exceeded expectations after being drafted, unless you count Montgomery as a 19 year old almost hitting a point per game in the CHL, which I certainly wouldn’t.

The take tools and size you hope magically develop toolboxes to hold the tools instead of good players and toolboxes you hope develop some tools route has been a complete failure.

Whether we like to admit it or not because we have failed with every guy for 4 seasons straight, it’s not good when your guys don’t meet/exceed expectations after being drafted. Something about our philosophy needs to change.

Ideally it’s an outside hire of a new head scout with a new directive.
 
It needs to be answered. It’s been a horrific stretch.

We haven’t had a single guy since 2020 who exceeded expectations after being drafted, unless you count Montgomery as a 19 year old almost hitting a point per game in the CHL, which I certainly wouldn’t.

The take tools and size you hope magically develop toolboxes to hold the tools instead of good players and toolboxes you hope develop some tools route has been a complete failure.
Staios and Poulin both said last year that the two things they were looking for was hockey sense and character. So I am not sure the Sens are aware they’re waiting for their draft picks to develop toolboxes.
 
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So the solution is to take a bunch of teenage prospects and disparage them? Have at it I guess.

You can disagree with a choice and still accept it.
No? Pointing out that our drafting strategy has had us leaving talent on the table doesn’t mean we’re disparaging them on a personal-basis. If so, this entire website should be shut down since this is what this entire site and hockey media does.
 
Staios and Poulin both said last year that the two things they were looking for was hockey sense and character. So I am not sure the Sens are aware they’re waiting for their draft picks to develop toolboxes.
Then I think our scouts need to be replaced, because the one thing we haven’t drafted is hockey sense or skill.

Nearly the exact opposite. Size, snarl, tools and a hope they can out those tools together, and right now that’s to even become average/good junior players.

Outside of Yak, every guy they’ve drafted for nearly 4 years are possible bottom line NHL players at best.

Not sure I’d classify a single of the 26 guys drafted since 2021 guys with high hockey sense. Maybe Halliday and Ostapchuk?

We have had 6 picks in the first 2 rounds since 2021.

Yak
Eliasson
Ostapchuk
Roger
Nordberg
Boucher

Not a single guy with high hockey sense, almost the polar opposite. All guys some kind of NHL tools with NHL size and snarl you’re hoping develops something big they're missing.
 
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It needs to be answered. It’s been a horrific stretch.

We haven’t had a single guy since 2020 who exceeded expectations after being drafted, unless you count Montgomery as a 19 year old almost hitting a point per game in the CHL, which I certainly wouldn’t.

The take tools and size you hope magically develop toolboxes to hold the tools instead of good players and toolboxes you hope develop some tools route has been a complete failure.

Whether we like to admit it or not because we have failed with every guy for 4 seasons straight, it’s not good when your guys don’t meet/exceed expectations after being drafted. Something about our philosophy needs to change.

Ideally it’s an outside hire of a new head scout with a new directive.
I think the last 4 years might be the worst drafting stretch of the modern era
 
Then I think our scouts need to be replaced, because the one thing we haven’t drafted is hockey sense or skill.

Nearly the exact opposite. Size, snarl, tools and a hope they can out those tools together, and right now that’s to even become average/good junior players.

Outside of Yak, every guy they’ve drafted for nearly 4 years are possible bottom line NHL players at best.

Not sure I’d classify a single of the 26 guys drafted since 2021 guys with high hockey sense. Maybe Halliday and Ostapchuk?

We have had 6 picks in the first 2 rounds since 2021.

Yak
Eliasson
Ostapchuk
Roger
Nordberg
Boucher

Not a single guy with high hockey sense, almost the polar opposite. All guys some kind of NHL tools with NHL size and snarl you’re hoping develops something big they're missing.
Well, who knows what they were told pre-Staios. But the 2024 draft looks similar stylistically to previous ones so it’s a bit hard to tell from the outside what’s going on.

I know people say our scouts love big toolsy players, but I would think the directive of what to look for in a player comes from the GM, then the scouts do the work to try and find the right guys.

If Staios came in and said that they are focusing too much on tools and size, and asked them to rethink it, would we not have seen a different draft style last year?

I don’t think it’s out of the question that Staios is in agreement with the work they’re doing and they don’t feel like they’re picking low hockey sense guys.
 
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Well, who knows what they were told pre-Staios. But the 2024 draft looks similar stylistically to previous ones so it’s a bit hard to tell from the outside what’s going on.

I know people say our scouts love big toolsy players, but I would think the directive of what to look for in a player comes from the GM, then the scouts do the work to try and find the right guys.

If Staios came in and said that they are focusing too much on tools and size, and asked them to rethink it, would we not have seen a different draft style last year?

I don’t think it’s out of the question that Staios is in agreement with the work they’re doing and they don’t feel like they’re picking low hockey sense guys.
We have the exact same scouting staff, who were under Dorions direction to start the year, I don’t think there was a change in philosophy or direction in December.

The fact we haven’t made any changes in the amateur scouting department is extremely, extremely worrying.

If they’re ok with the direction of the past 4 drafts, we are in trouble draft wise
 
Is it better to bash our own prospects because the Sens didn’t take the guys people wanted? Because that happens a ton on here too.

There’s a lot of actual good discussion on Yak on both sides and personally I enjoy reading the constructive stuff. I’ve had mixed feelings on him in my own viewings. But it is tiring how often people tear down virtually every Sens draft pick because they don’t like their drafting philosophy. It’s like the same thing on repeat every year.
I don't see that happening. We have not had a lot to celebrate wrt our own picks. Yakemchuk is our best prospect and he is going to draw attention including praise and criticism. Both can be valid. I think you are exaggerating saying virtually every pick is being torn down. You kind of went in a different direction, although I do think fan bases will scrutinize their own picks to a greater degree rightly or wrongly or fairly or unfairly, whether they wanted the pick or not..
Draft picks are a bit of a crap shoot anyway. No one ..even the sharpest pro scouts get it right all the time. There is lots of room for error. I don't think anyone here claims to be a draft wiz. It stands to reason the year following the draft that prospects are followed and some do better than others according to various measurements , that's just the way it is. Fans now that enters another realm.. if you are a fan of a player .. and you think someone is being critical, right or wrong, you go on the defensive.. We see that all the time with the players on the Sens in their player threads .. see Brady Tkachuks .. and we see it with draft picks and prospects.

Sens amateur scouting and their perceived philosophy is a different topic again. I see its getting covered
 
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Is it better to bash our own prospects because the Sens didn’t take the guys people wanted? Because that happens a ton on here too.

There’s a lot of actual good discussion on Yak on both sides and personally I enjoy reading the constructive stuff. I’ve had mixed feelings on him in my own viewings. But it is tiring how often people tear down virtually every Sens draft pick because they don’t like their drafting philosophy. It’s like the same thing on repeat every year.

Don't worry, this is not directed at you but what about we just let people like and talk about who the heck they want? It's an entertainment and we supposedly have freedom of speech but this board has become so homeristic it's ridiculous (maybe it is the syndrome of being losers for so long?). You have to love the game first IMO, it's not just about one team, let's not be like Leafs/Habs fans or some of these ridiculous posters on the main boards (Wings and Devils have several)

We're about to play the Leafs and I really like Nylander and Knies, I wish I had them on my team. I still want the Sens to win doh.
 
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Don't worry, this is not directed at you but what about we just let people like and talk about who the heck they want? It's an entertainment and we supposedly have freedom of speech but this board has become so homeristic it's ridiculous (maybe it is the syndrome of being losers for so long?). You have to love the game first IMO, it's not just about one team, let's not be like Leafs/Habs fans or some of these ridiculous posters on the main boards (Wings and Devils have several)

We're about to play the Leafs and I really like Nylander and Knies, I wish I had them on my team. I still want the Sens to win doh.
Yes and just for clarity my intent was never to tell people what to talk about. It was really just to point out that just as some people might feel the need to criticize Dickinson to prop up Yak, the same happens in the opposite direction. And our prospects often bear the brunt of the frustrations people have with our scouting staff.

I appreciate the discussions people have on here and the posts about their viewings regardless of whether I agree or not! I can scroll past what I don’t care for and normally I do - so my apologies for opening this can of worms.

Disappointed you’ve switched from being a Habs fan to a Leafs fan though.
 
I think it would be interesting to hear what the Senators scouts are thinking internally about the picks they've been making over the last few seasons. To what do they attribute an almost uniform lack of success for Sens prospects in the immediate aftermath of being drafted?

Do they think it's just a run of bad luck or are they taking a look at whether their philosophy needs some adjusting?
I think they feel that they didn't emphasize size and PIMs enough. They need to double down.
 
Not only did he try to dangle too much, but something that stood out to me on Saturday was just how sloppy he can look handling the puck. To use another basketball analogy, he has a loose handle. Watching him, I couldn't help but wonder how he would look playing with a shorter stick. I know how much he relies on that long reach to defend, but maybe as his skating improves and he can defend more with his feet, he could rely less on reach and play with a slightly shorter stick that allows him to handle the puck better. Sometimes he looks like a kid playing with stick that's a foot too long for him.

The Good
-Yakemchuk was assertive and generated a good number of chances for himself and teammates. He could have easily come away from that game with a goal and a couple assists. He was definitely the most (and only?) dangerous player on Calgary.

The Bad
-The more I watch, the more I think he's limited in how he sees the game offensively. Doesn't mean he can't be productive in the NHL, but I'm starting to see a ceiling. People have thrown around Bouchard as a comparison, but Bouchard sees the ice at an elite level. It's what allows him to play the game in a rocking chair and still create so much. Yakemchuk doesn't seem to have that. I haven't seen that special ability to slow things down, to manipulate defenders, to create with his brain. Maybe it comes, but I still see a guy who's style of offence is to attack at one speed and in straight lines.

Down 2-0, Calgary is in real danger of getting bounced this round. They look like a well coached, low-skill team that finished high in the standings by playing consistent, low-event hockey, but that lacks the firepower to make a serious playoff run.
The last part is key. London plays a style where everybody gets touches. It is like a video game. Yakemchuk doesn't have that luxury and cannot read and react with smart and creative players. There are times in games, where Calgary is just having a problems getting the puck through the neutral zone with a couple of clean passes. His teammates don't find him, plain and simple. Tulk and Kindel are offensive paper tigers.

Calgary sucks the life out of offense for D-men. Look at Mynio, his pro-rated point production is way down in Calgary. He hardly produces anything in the playoffs.

I think as he gets bigger and stronger- the awkwardness in his game will will be less prominent. The long stick will be more of an asset, with better balance. His reach and anticipation will make him a very good defender in the NHL.

I agree their are reasons for questioning his offensive upside. He doesn't have the same offensive creativity as Bouchard. He is more an Ekholm with a dash Bouchard. I never would have compared Yakemchuk to Ekholm until very recently. Elkhom is a player that broke the 40 point mark once in Nashville and has become a perennial 40 point player (pro-rate this year) in his mid 30s in Edmonton. I think Yakemchuk is a better offensive players than Ekholm, with a similar athletic profile.

I also use Ekholm to show how important context is for points. I don't think it is a coincidence that Ekholm put up a career high in Edmonton (while in his 30s), while playing big minutes.

At the same time, it would not surprise me at all if Yakemchuk looks better offensively in the pro-game. I think hew will thrive in structure.

You are not really mentioning defense. He is developing into a shutdown guy. Yager has been quiet in this series and a lot of it has to do with Yakemchuk. It is also the amount of poise he shows in the defensive end. He is a calming presence. I didn't really expect to come away from this season thinking that Yakemchuk was a better defender than Mynio, especially after watching Mynio at the WJC. But here we are.....The growth in that aspect of his game has been exponential. I think I was in the the minority, thinking this guy would be a solid, two-way defender. In pre-draft, people were describing him as a lead footed, unpoised and undisciplined fool that would skate around his own zone like a chicken with its head cut-off. This was consensus opinion on HFboards and it probably still is to the moment.

He also has massively cutdown on penalty minutes. He has 2 minutes this entire playoff and it was an embellishment call, after being hit in the groin. From my recollection, He has only been on the ice for one goal this playoff. It was a play where he just got on the ice and joined a tired group who were trapped in their zone, as the only change.

Yakemchuk is still very raw. His skating has shown impressive growth this year. Earlier in the season, I noted how often Yakemchuk was falling or losing balance when the puck was at his skates, and I criticized the lack of power in his first three strides. I am not as concerned anymore.

In pre-draft, I thought there was chance for Yakemchuk to bust in a worst case scenario. And if not bust, he could end up being a sheltered,, third-pairing d-man that would help on the PP. I do not have those worries anymore. I think he will be a 4 for sure. And if continues to develop and grow into his body, I think he will become an absolute unicorn. A 6'4, 225 physical, shutdown guy with around 50 point upside(maybe more). If Ekholm can be a 40 point player on an Edmonton team in his mid 30s, I don't think it out of the question that Yakemchuk can do better.

Please note: I am not saying Yakemchuk will be as good as defender as Ekholm.
 
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Yes and just for clarity my intent was never to tell people what to talk about. It was really just to point out that just as some people might feel the need to criticize Dickinson to prop up Yak, the same happens in the opposite direction. And our prospects often bear the brunt of the frustrations people have with our scouting staff.

I appreciate the discussions people have on here and the posts about their viewings regardless of whether I agree or not! I can scroll past what I don’t care for and normally I do - so my apologies for opening this can of worms.

Disappointed you’ve switched from being a Habs fan to a Leafs fan though.

haha judging by how I get trolled on this board, I am actually a fan of 31 teams. Recently, I also became a Sharks, Blues and Hawks fan! I love the sport of hockey, there's some who probably live their life on the internet who make fun of this word but respect is very important in life. I respect other teams, I respect talent, I have the same kind of mentality as guys like Bruno Gervais, Alex Picard or other ex NHL guys you can hear on TV. They love the game, they know the game and will talk about anything without a ridiculous homer bias. Then you have these dinosaurs like JC Lajoie who are way too biased to be objective and will say that the Habs also have a Cale Makar coming up in Romanov (Lajoie's call a few years ago)

Regarding your point, you're 100% right and it's a bit idealistic on my part to think that people can leave their biases aside and just talk about hockey like adults. I mean, all humans have biases but there's a limit and you need to be aware of it at least. For example, I know I have a bias regarding Swedish players. I also have a Sens bias when defending Sens players on the main boards but very reasonable compared to many lol

Ideally, people should try to be as objective as possible when evaluating both Dickinson and Yakemchuk. But I understand the frustration regarding our recent drafting. For example, I have nothing against Tyler Boucher the player, I actually feel bad for him that he got that underserved pressure for being a Top-10 pick. Maybe he'd have a better chance at finding his way if he was a 2nd round pick. he should sue Pierre Dorion lol
 
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I think discussing Dickinson, and Parekh in relation Yakemchuk is interesting and productive conversation. It will probably go on for years.

I don't think we can chalk up everything up to biased opinions colliding. Yes, everyone has a perspective, but there are good and bad takes on players, based on their actual game and not some avatar that has been constructed on HFbords. I have seen some bad takes on Yakemchuk, which are completely ungenerous and I have also seen valid critiques. I can be moved. The hyperbole and doom and gloom around Yakemchuk was over the top.

I appreciate more eyes on Yakemchuk. But I think it is constructive to go watch other games with Parekh and Dickinson, it is can be a rather eye opening experience - both positive and negative. Like I said before, you may believe Dickinson is much better prospect than Yakemchuk, but I don't think it is tearing down a player to recognize that he is struggling in the second round. Just like when people say, when I watch Yakemchuk, I think he has limited upside - look how he dangles too much. I don't deny he is dangling too much and that it is doesn't often work. I have saying this since last year. We may disagree on what it means moving forward for the player.

I can equally say, I believe Dickinson has limited hockey sense and is propped up by a good team. Oh look, he had several bad turnovers and couldn't complete a pass in this game. I don't think that he is having a bad series is really debatable. Now , he could turn it around tonight. I will be watching. I can almost guarantee you this. if Yakemchuk played like Dicksinson did in game 2 against Erie, it would have been off the charts negative here. I used comments from London fan to support my take, because it was too easily dismissed. I am not flippant with others and engage.
 
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The last part is key. London plays a style where everybody gets touches. It is like a video game. Yakemchuk doesn't have that luxury and cannot read and react with smart and creative players. There are times in games, where Calgary is just having a problems getting the puck through the neutral zone with a couple of clean passes. His teammates don't find him, plain and simple. Tulk and Kindel are offensive paper tigers.

Calgary sucks the life out of offense for D-men. Look at Mynio, his pro-rated point production is way down in Calgary. He hardly produces anything in the playoffs.

I think as he gets bigger and stronger- the awkwardness in his game will will be less prominent. The long stick will be more of an asset, with better balance. His reach and anticipation will make him a very good defender in the NHL.

I agree their are reasons for questioning his offensive upside. He doesn't have the same offensive creativity as Bouchard. He is more an Ekholm with a dash Bouchard. I never would have compared Yakemchuk to Ekholm until very recently. Elkhom is a player that broke the 40 point mark once in Nashville and has become a perennial 40 point player (pro-rate this year) in his mid 30s in Edmonton. I think Yakemchuk is a better offensive players than Ekholm, with a similar athletic profile.

I also use Ekholm to show how important context is for points. I don't think it is a coincidence that Ekholm put up a career high in Edmonton (while in his 30s), while playing big minutes.

At the same time, it would not surprise me at all if Yakemchuk looks better offensively in the pro-game. I think hew will thrive in structure.

You are not really mentioning defense. He is developing into a shutdown guy. Yager has been quiet in this series and a lot of it has to do with Yakemchuk. It is also the amount of poise he shows in the defensive end. He is a calming presence. I didn't really expect to come away from this season thinking that Yakemchuk was a better defender than Mynio, especially after watching Mynio at the WJC. But here we are.....The growth in that aspect of his game has been exponential. I think I was in the the minority, thinking this guy would be a solid, two-way defender. In pre-draft, people were describing him as a lead footed, unpoised and undisciplined fool that would skate around his own zone like a chicken with its head cut-off. This was consensus opinion on HFboards and it probably still is to the moment.

He also has massively cutdown on penalty minutes. He has 2 minutes this entire playoff and it was an embellishment call, after being hit in the groin. From my recollection, He has only been on the ice for one goal this playoff. It was a play where he just got on the ice and joined a tired group who were trapped in their zone, as the only change.

Yakemchuk is still very raw. His skating has shown impressive growth this year. Earlier in the season, I noted how often Yakemchuk was falling or losing balance when the puck was at his skates, and I criticized the lack of power in his first three strides. I am not as concerned anymore.

In pre-draft, I thought there was chance for Yakemchuk to bust in a worst case scenario. And if not bust, he could end up being a sheltered,, third-pairing d-man that would help on the PP. I do not have those worries anymore. I think he will be a 4 for sure. And if continues to develop and grow into his body, I think he will become an absolute unicorn. A 6'4, 225 physical, shutdown guy with around 50 point upside(maybe more). If Ekholm can be a 40 point player on an Edmonton team in his mid 30s, I don't think it out of the question that Yakemchuk can do better.

Please note: I am not saying Yakemchuk will be as good as defender as Ekholm.
Ekholm is also one of the rare examples of someone who legitimately developed excellent hockey IQ. When he was in his mid 20s, he was a strong skater, who wasn't particularly smart. Now he's slowed down a ton, but has fabulous IQ.
 
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I think discussing Dickinson, and Parekh in relation Yakemchuk is interesting and productive conversation. It will probably go on for years.

I don't think we can chalk up everything up to biased opinions colliding. Yes, everyone has a perspective, but there are good and bad takes on players, based on their actual game and not some avatar that has been constructed on HFbords. I have seen some bad takes on Yakemchuk, which are completely ungenerous and I have also seen valid critiques. I can be moved. The hyperbole and doom and gloom around Yakemchuk was over the top.

I appreciate more eyes on Yakemchuk. But I think it is constructive to go watch other games with Parekh and Dickinson, it is can be a rather eye opening experience - both positive and negative. Like I said before, you may believe Dickinson is much better prospect than Yakemchuk, but I don't think it is tearing down a player to recognize that he is struggling in the second round. Just like when people say, when I watch Yakemchuk, I think he has limited upside - look how he dangles too much. I don't deny he is dangling too much and that it is doesn't often work. I have saying this since last year. We may disagree on what it means moving forward for the player.

I can equally say, I believe Dickinson has limited hockey sense and is propped up by a good team. Oh look, he had several bad turnovers and couldn't complete a pass in this game. I don't think that he is having a bad series is really debatable. Now , he could turn it around tonight. I will be watching. I can almost guarantee you this. if Yakemchuk played like Dicksinson did in game 2 against Erie, it would have been off the charts negative here. I used comments from London fan to support my take, because it was too easily dismissed. I am not flippant with others and engage.
I believe many London fans have said Dickinson had a lot of points where he wasn't even on the ice. He briefly touched the puck, and then his teammates did the rest of the cycle and scored.
 
I think discussing Dickinson, and Parekh in relation Yakemchuk is interesting and productive conversation. It will probably go on for years.

I don't think we can chalk up everything up to biased opinions colliding. Yes, everyone has a perspective, but there are good and bad takes on players, based on their actual game and not some avatar that has been constructed on HFbords. I have seen some bad takes on Yakemchuk, which are completely ungenerous and I have also seen valid critiques. I can be moved. The hyperbole and doom and gloom around Yakemchuk was over the top.

I appreciate more eyes on Yakemchuk. But I think it is constructive to go watch other games with Parekh and Dickinson, it is can be a rather eye opening experience - both positive and negative. Like I said before, you may believe Dickinson is much better prospect than Yakemchuk, but I don't think it is tearing down a player to recognize that he is struggling in the second round. Just like when people say, when I watch Yakemchuk, I think he has limited upside - look how he dangles too much. I don't deny he is dangling too much and that it is doesn't often work. I have saying this since last year. We may disagree on what it means moving forward for the player.

I can equally say, I believe Dickinson has limited hockey sense and is propped up by a good team. Oh look, he had several bad turnovers and couldn't complete a pass in this game. I don't think that he is having a bad series is really debatable. Now , he could turn it around tonight. I will be watching. I can almost guarantee you this. if Yakemchuk played like Dicksinson did in game 2 against Erie, it would have been off the charts negative here. I used comments from London fan to support my take, because it was too easily dismissed.
He was literally called an insane poster like 3 posts later, and was the only one commenting anything

Not sure that getting fan comments on message boards is a great way to prove something, negative or positive, including this thread obviously. I'd imagine Yak would have a ton of people beyond frustrated if the Hitmen had a following online

You could get quite a few unreal takes going through every game day thread on the Sens board, would think Chabot was an AHLer and Brannstrom was a legitimate top pairing D

Dickinson made some weak passes and clearing attempts in game 2, not much more than that. No different than Yakemchuk and every prospect throughout the season
 
He was literally called an insane poster like 3 posts later, and was the only one commenting anything

Not sure that getting fan comments on message boards is a great way to prove something, negative or positive, including this thread obviously. I'd imagine Yak would have a ton of people beyond frustrated of the Hitmen had a following online

You could get quite a few unreal takes going through every game day thread on the Sens board, would think Chabot was an AHLer and Brannstrom was a legitimate top pairing D

Dickinson made some weak passes and clearing attempts in game 2, not much more than that. No different than Yakemchuk and every prospect throughout the season
They called him insane, because he wanted him benched. Find me a quote where anyone says, you are wrong bud -Dickinson slapped that game. I don't think the substance of what he was saying was challenged. I acknowledged this in the original post.
 
I believe many London fans have said Dickinson had a lot of points where he wasn't even on the ice. He briefly touched the puck, and then his teammates did the rest of the cycle and scored.
grain of salt on that. This is the type of hear say message board nonsense that helps what exactly?. Ridiculous.. "lots of points" lol. He was their best player and play driver on many games through the year. He is going to turn 19 in the summer .. he will have the odd game with hiccups .. but overall he has been good.
 

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