Boston Bruins 2023-24 Roster and Salary Cap Discussion X

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sarge88

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So I kind of wanted to give a reasoning for why a Hanifin and/or adding a RD is the right move for right now and the coming couple seasons. Bear with me my wife took the kid for the afternoon and I don't want to do my chores :).

What makes the Bruins good:

- 2 #1G playing in a rotation to keep fresh and at their best.
- 2 #1D.
- Pastrnak.
- Commitment and buy in for playing team defense.
- They actually have good depth scoring, despite how it feels recently. 4th most goals in the NHL. The forwards have been doing much better at getting in and around the net and fighting for position and getting dirty goals.

A thing to not like that should have been on the list:
- Special teams. They are still top 10 with both units, barely, but they were top 5 and its trending the wrong way quickly.

What makes the Bruins not so good:

- They only have one bona fide above average 1st line player. Wait, but what about Marchand? The Marchand being outscored by Coyle and Frederic at 5 on 5? The guy tied with Nyqvist, E. Kane, and Tyler Toffoli in 5 on 5 scoring? Yeah. He is 35. Still a good player for sure, but he isn't in the upper half of first liners anymore, either. They have been solid as a team and getting into dirty areas and scoring dirty goals, but dirty goals are lucky goals... and prone to streakiness... like we are seeing. They really really needed DeBrusk to drive more offense and he hasn’t. Which is super annoying. Folks wants to write off last year as him being a passenger or whatever, but he has only one fewer 5 on 5 goals than Marchand the year before. And in the two years before COVID his 5 on 5 goal scoring was right around the level of Stamkos, Rantanen, Wheeler, Schenn, and a host of other 1st liner names. Outside of the COVID year DeBtusk has been a 1st line level goal scorer. 4 of 5 years. But then this year makes it 4 of 6 and the timing sucks.

- They spend more time in the defensive zone than the average team. Bottom 10 in shots allowed. Bottom 10 in high danger chances allowed. They only have two pairings with over 100 minutes that are above water on shot share: Lindholm/McAvoy and Lindholm/Shattenkirk. You will note that those aren't regular pairings. *INSERT SCREECHING RECORD SOUND*. How can you count having 2 #1D and commitment to team D as a pro and then follow it up with those numbers?! Well that's the next bullet.

- They are not a good team between the blue lines. Last year the Bruins had guys like Hall and Krejci who could transport the puck through center ice quickly in the middle six. Now their only forward in the top 9 that can do that is Pasta. It's a slog transitioning from defense to offense. They have tried to get some help there with Boqvist and Richard... but um... those guys aren't Krejci and Hall. Without the puck, Bergeron was a savant at disruption plays before they started and getting the puck back into Marchand and DeBrusk's hands. Their current center group just doesn't have that. All in all, this is the biggest individual difference between last years team and this years team. They are just way worse at possession and its primarily because of their play between the blue lines.

- They have had trouble closing out games. Only the Canucks have gone into the third period with the lead more than the Bruins (hey that's good!). Now, despite the Canucks loss, they have been trending better in this direction. But, a few things lead to them having trouble closing out games. 1) They have a tough time getting out of their zone when teams sell all out. 2) They are a bad neutral zone team both with and without the puck and it means the other team can re-load quickly. 3) They are not a very good team at boxing out in front of the net, although that has been improving.

- In the playoffs, you can add to this list that they don't have enough hammers to punish the other teams blue line as much as the Bruins get punished, and related to the last bullet, they are soft as a group around their own net.

Ok, so what next?

- So let's get the easy one out of the way first, they could really use a guy on the fourth line that goes out and hits and looks to punish. Duhaime has been brought up as a name that fits, but there are others. But, I also think that its worth seeing if Brazeau brings enough net front presence that maybe you decide to punt on this and live with it in exchange for some more offense from the fourth line.

- After that, in all walks of business, including building a hockey team, sometimes you have to choose between playing to your strengths or trying to patch your weaknesses. And you also have to look at how to get the best out of what you already have. Obviously, grabbing a real #1C would allow Coyle, Zacha and DeBrusk to all be in a better position to succeed. And it would probably help their neutral zone woes. But, that guy ain't available right now. So I want to talk about Hampus Lindholm and Brandon Carlo. They have been used as an extreme defensively minded shutdown pair. And they have succeed with a goals for % in the mid-60s despite being hammered with tough usage. But, it means you are totally muting Lindholm's offense. And the Bruins are a bottom team for production from the blue line. When their forward depth is built around crashing the net and point guys getting it through. Carlo also is being put in an unideal position. Last season, Carlo was 5th in 5 on 5 TOI amongst the regulars. Now he is 3rd. Part of the Bruins puck moving and possession issues are on Carlo being out there more. Last year, Lindholm was much more successful with Clifton than with Carlo. And Lorhei with Carlo makes a lot of sense: a more limited 5 on 5 usage with plenty of PK time for Carlo, protection for Lorhei, and with the chance for some extra D zone shifts for Lindholm/Carlo. So that explains them looking at RD with Carrier and Walker.

Lindholm X
Lorhei Carlo

Now you have McAvoy, Lindholm or Lorhei out there at all times providing better offense from the blue line and taking better advantage of the Bruins ability to score dirty goals.

But, you still have to deal with the fact that Gryz has regressed. And that McAvoy certainly plays better with another D that can move. Hanifin would provide an elite #2 that could serve as McAvoy's partner for the length of a new deal.

Hanifin McAvoy
Lindholm X
Lorhei Carlo

That is easily the best D in the league. And compliments the strengths and weaknesses of the forward group well. But, you are gonna have to move out Ullmark and/or DeBrusk to pull it off. But, even if you just pull off adding the RD you have immensely helped out your puck moving and your ability to generate offense from the blue line. If you add Hanifin only, well, you can at least stop burying Lindholm/Carlo so much and even sneak in some extra time with Lindholm/Shattenkirk.

In the long run, if a real #1C becomes available, having Lorhei as a chip would be valuable as heck. And would there be a better environment to have Poitras/Merkulov develop than with such a strong D group behind him?

- Lysell would be a nice add to their ability to transition the puck from the middle six. Annoyed we haven't seen it yet.

Pretty awesome!

Well thought out, researched and articulated!
 

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Wasn't Hathaway supposed to be a menacing bully but when he came here he was the exact opposite ? We can beg for a heavy hitter all we want but once they get here coaching will nuter their style

I guess we can hope that either they have a good run playing this style….or they don’t and they realize the need to change.
 
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Wasn't Hathaway supposed to be a menacing bully but when he came here he was the exact opposite ? We can beg for a heavy hitter all we want but once they get here coaching will nuter their style
Incorrect. Hathaway was every bit the asshole in a Bruins uniform that he was before putting it on. He got hurt in the Panthers series which limited his effectiveness, but there was no strategic initiative to stop him from hitting and initiating. This is revisionist history.
 

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Some people think trading for Carrick will solve our toughness problems. Me, I just wish we'd have found a way to not lose Lauzon. He's gotten really good at this.

So many here over rated Gryz and disparaged Lauzon but now we see how valuable players like Lauzon and Lindgren are to any team. Now that we don't have that element that is.
 

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I don’t care about what sweeney does for this year so much as what it means for the next 5.

He has an all world dare I say generational talent in Pasta and he absolutely positively must build a team around him that can win a cup.
Do you have faith in Sweeney to do this considering some of his free agent moves and draft picks? I don't.
 

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I would make 4 moves at the deadline if possible:

1. Forbort (50 % retained) + Debrusk for Evander Kane. Why, Kane has the skillset we are missing in the top 6 and playing him with Pasta would prevent guys from talking liberties on him.

2. Matt Gryz + Mason Lohrei for Noah Hanifin (25% retained)

3. Mathieu Olivier for Jakub Lauko

4. Sam Carrick for 4th in 2024

Kane-Zacha-Pasta
Marchy-Coyle-Freddy
JVR-Geekie-Heinen
Olivier-Carrick-Brazeau

Hanifin-McAvoy
Lindholm-Carlo
Wortherspoon-Shatty
 
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I would make 4 moves at the deadline if possible:

1. Forbort (50 % retained) + Debrusk for Evander Kane. Why, Kane has the skillset we are missing in the top 6 and playing him with Pasta would prevent guys from talking liberties on him.

2. Matt Gryz + Mason Lohrei for Noah Hanifin (25% retained)

3. Mathieu Olivier for Jakub Lauko

4. Sam Carrick for 4th in 2024

Kane-Zacha-Pasta
Marchy-Coyle-Freddy
JVR-Geekie-Heinen
Olivier-Carrick-Brazeau

Hanifin-McAvoy
Lindholm-Carlo
Wortherspoon-Shatty
I like it but it still does not address the need for a number one center
 
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I don’t care about what sweeney does for this year so much as what it means for the next 5.

He has an all world dare I say generational talent in Pasta and he absolutely positively must build a team around him that can win a cup.
You build around goaltending and defense and centers NOT a goalscorer
 
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Coyle is putting up decent enough numbers to be considered a 1C. Debrusk is the black hole on that line.
Really? When was the last time you seen Coyle set anyone up for a goal? Numbers lie he is as far from a number one center as we have.

Fools gold as some like to use. But I will say Jake needs to either sign or be traded soon.
 
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Incorrect. Hathaway was every bit the asshole in a Bruins uniform that he was before putting it on. He got hurt in the Panthers series which limited his effectiveness, but there was no strategic initiative to stop him from hitting and initiating. This is revisionist history.

But, I do think there was a directive to not engage between the whistles. Florida was riding a hot power play coming into the postseason and one of their paths to winning that series was winning the special teams battle. Bruins won that battle, but they didn't win the war, obviously.
 

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Wasn't Hathaway supposed to be a menacing bully but when he came here he was the exact opposite ? We can beg for a heavy hitter all we want but once they get here coaching will nuter their style
He was always a spot picker and still was here. the Hathaway thing is like most of the wants for toughness or hitting we all have until the get here and aren't really that good.
 

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You build around goaltending and defense and centers NOT a goalscorer

Yea that’s not what I’m talking about, I’m a net out guy too, but we have that set and defense would only need minor tweaking to spread out the offense or Hanifin to make it an all world D

Almost there - the concern is support for Pasta at this point. Need to build around him on offense so he’s not the only guy and his best years aren’t wasted
 
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Thought exercise. Jake has 27 points this year.

A) where do you think that ranks him among LW? (He ranks higher among RW if you wanted to go there)

B) if he were “consistent” how many more points do you think he should have?
 

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Thought exercise. Jake has 27 points this year.

A) where do you think that ranks him among LW? (He ranks higher among RW if you wanted to go there)

B) if he were “consistent” how many more points do you think he should have?

He ranks 44th among LW- no need to think, it's easy to find. If we say top 60 is essentially a top 6 LW in general terms, then he is doing the job at the lower end. But that is simplistic and fails to account for a lot of factors such as linemates, outlier years, team depth etc. For me, based on talent level alone, Jake ought to be 40 points or more by now. If you look at his company in that tier of points (27 +/- 5) he is better in terms of skill than most. 40 points would put him just outside the top 20 LW category league-wide, and that is what I feel his talent warrants. But we also know that isn't the whole story.
 

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Wasn't Hathaway supposed to be a menacing bully but when he came here he was the exact opposite ? We can beg for a heavy hitter all we want but once they get here coaching will nuter their style
Is that the same Hathaway who leads all forwards in hits and who's second in the entire league in hits to only another ex Bruin in Jermey Lauzon? I think Sweeney needs to give him self some due-process and evaluate on how he evaluates the make up of a team.
 
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