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Dizzay said:
If we had an actual C to play with Zacha and Pasta- both shoot first players, Zacha would be closer to 30 goals and Pasta likely to 60. Heinen is a space filler on that line who's defensively responsible and can provide a little offence. Let's not pretend he fits like a glove up there.

Hertl or Lindholm between those two players and we're talking a substantial change in goals and points. Problem is they are 8-10 million and Heinen is 850k so when you look at it that way, likely not worth the investment in a Hertl(pre vegas trade) or Lindholm as a UFA.

In a perfect world.....you replace Heinen with Poitras next season at a similar cap hit and hope he can stick with those two.
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When did lindholm start making 10 mil?
 
Dizzay said:
If we had an actual C to play with Zacha and Pasta- both shoot first players, Zacha would be closer to 30 goals and Pasta likely to 60. Heinen is a space filler on that line who's defensively responsible and can provide a little offence. Let's not pretend he fits like a glove up there.

Hertl or Lindholm between those two players and we're talking a substantial change in goals and points. Problem is they are 8-10 million and Heinen is 850k so when you look at it that way, likely not worth the investment in a Hertl(pre vegas trade) or Lindholm as a UFA.

In a perfect world.....you replace Heinen with Poitras next season at a similar cap hit and hope he can stick with those two.
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Heinen totally fits like a glove up there. He's smart and defensively responsible. It leaves Pasta and Zacha the ability to not think twice about taking offensive chances. He also knows his job is to support the both of em rather than look to make his own play all the time (like Debrusk).

Also what make you think either Pastrnak or Zach are shoot first players? Pastrnak's got a great shot, but last I checked he was also top 10 in the league in assists.
 
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Kegs said:
When did lindholm start making 10 mil?
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If you read the last line......it said Lindholm (as a UFA)...... I'm just guessing that's ballpark where he'll land.

Over the volcano said:
Heinen totally fits like a glove up there. He's smart and defensively responsible. It leaves Pasta and Zacha the ability to not think twice about taking offensive chances. He also knows his job is to support the both of em rather than look to make his own play all the time (like Debrusk).

Also what make you think either Pastrnak or Zach are shoot first players? Pastrnak's got a great shot, but last I checked he was also top 10 in the league in assists.
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Really? Pasta isn't a shoot first player? 60 goals last season and likely to get 50 this season. C'mon man
 
Over the volcano said:
He's a complete player - if you want to pigeon hole him as a sniper you're limiting what he can bring the team.

Just checked and he's currently 8th among forwards in the league for assists this year.
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You can be a shoot first player and still be a great passer and rack up assists. Pastrnak is without a doubt shoot first and we should be very happy about that considering how good he is at it.
 
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Dizzay said:
If we had an actual C to play with Zacha and Pasta- both shoot first players, Zacha would be closer to 30 goals and Pasta likely to 60. Heinen is a space filler on that line who's defensively responsible and can provide a little offence. Let's not pretend he fits like a glove up there.

Hertl or Lindholm between those two players and we're talking a substantial change in goals and points. Problem is they are 8-10 million and Heinen is 850k so when you look at it that way, likely not worth the investment in a Hertl(pre vegas trade) or Lindholm as a UFA.

In a perfect world.....you replace Heinen with Poitras next season at a similar cap hit and hope he can stick with those two.
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Well it is not a perfect world, Poitras needs to show that he is healthy and capable of making this team before he is awarded first line duties.........
 
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I feel like I'm in the twilight zone here with posters telling me that Pasta is not a shoot first player......WTF is going on? He's got 164 more shots than the 2nd highest player (Marchand) on the team. He's 2nd in the NHL in total shots.

36% of his assists have come on the PP........none of those are likely rebounds off his f***ing one timer he loves to take eh.
 
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CDJ said:
Nothing worse than a Komodo dragon that doesn’t know US History. All the info at your fingertips these days smdh
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@CDJ I love your posts, but let's be honest. You are being a bit insensitive here. Fine for you with your opposable thumbs and access to the occasional manicure, I'm sure. But how is poor Vodor the Komodo gong to bang away at the keyboard and access the internet?? At best he's going to hit three letters before he has to buy a new keyboard and start all over. Compassion, my friend. Compassion.
 
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Dizzay said:
I feel like I'm in the twilight zone here with posters telling me that Pasta is not a shoot first player......WTF is going on? He's got 164 more shots than the 2nd highest player (Marchand) on the team. He's 2nd in the NHL in total shots.

36% of his assists have come on the PP........none of those are likely rebounds off his f***ing one timer he loves to take eh.
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HAHA........Come on man don't ruin their day.........
 
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Over the volcano said:
He leads the team in assists by 21.

He's a complete offensive player.
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I’m well aware. But you can be a complete player and be shoot first or pass first at the same time. Being shoot first or pass first doesn’t mean you are without the other quality.

For example Crosby is a pass first player. He still puts up 35+ goals a year sometimes even 40-50. Doesn’t mean he’s not a goal scorer, he’s just pass first.
 
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The issue is one of semantics. "Shoot first" tends to carry a negative connotation - think Mike Hoffman, or Ovi, or Kyle Connor. Pasta would have been in that bucket for several years. You wouldn't call Nathan Mackinnon or Jack Eichel or Nikita Kucherov a "shoot first" player, yet they're top 10 in the league in shots/G.

Pasta now is one of the best playmaking wings in the league, and is adding elements of a power forward. He's no longer a "shoot first" player - he's become a more complete, all around player.
 
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Dizzay said:
I feel like I'm in the twilight zone here with posters telling me that Pasta is not a shoot first player......WTF is going on? He's got 164 more shots than the 2nd highest player (Marchand) on the team. He's 2nd in the NHL in total shots.

36% of his assists have come on the PP........none of those are likely rebounds off his f***ing one timer he loves to take eh.
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You made the crucial mistake of not calling him a perfectly balanced player in every aspect of his game, which ensues outrage.

MarchysNoseKnows said:
The issue is one of semantics. "Shoot first" tends to carry a negative connotation - think Mike Hoffman, or Ovi, or Kyle Connor. Pasta would have been in that bucket for several years. You wouldn't call Nathan Mackinnon or Jack Eichel or Nikita Kucherov a "shoot first" player, yet they're top 10 in the league in shots/G.

Pasta now is one of the best playmaking wings in the league, and is adding elements of a power forward. He's no longer a "shoot first" player - he's become a more complete, all around player.
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Who considers shoot first a negative?

Is it negative to call Crosby pass first?
 
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Dizzay said:
I feel like I'm in the twilight zone here with posters telling me that Pasta is not a shoot first player......WTF is going on? He's got 164 more shots than the 2nd highest player (Marchand) on the team. He's 2nd in the NHL in total shots.

36% of his assists have come on the PP........none of those are likely rebounds off his f***ing one timer he loves to take eh.
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Maybe its juts semantics between being a sniper and a "shoot first player".

He led the team in assists last year and is close to lapping the field this year.

Discussion started by someone posting that Heinen wasn't a fit and they needed a set up man for shoot first players like Zacha (is he shoot first?) and Pastrnak (who I don't think needs a golden #1 center to drive a top line)

UncleRico said:
I’m well aware. But you can be a complete player and be shoot first or pass first at the same time. Being shoot first or pass first doesn’t mean you are without the other quality.

For example Crosby is a pass first player. He still puts up 35+ goals a year sometimes even 40-50. Doesn’t mean he’s not a goal scorer, he’s just pass first.
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Do you think Pastrnak needs a #1 center to feed him the puck because he is a shoot first player?

That was the proposition.
 
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If they had to choose between resigning Heinen or DeBrusk, I think they should choose Heinen. I like DeBrusk and what he brings ( even with the inconsistency ) but he's just going to command too much for what they get out of him while I feel like Heinen could resign for around 3 mill and produce 15 goals/40 points while playing responsible, smart hockey.
 
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Over the volcano said:
If you really think outrageous that people have different opinions in a discussion, then you must have a pretty tough life.
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I think it’s outrageous to be offended that someone called pastrnak shoot first and to somehow think that has a negative connotation.

Do you think it’s negative to call Crosby a pass first player when he’s been arguably the best player of the last 20 years?
 
Dizzay said:
If we had an actual C to play with Zacha and Pasta- both shoot first players, Zacha would be closer to 30 goals and Pasta likely to 60. Heinen is a space filler on that line who's defensively responsible and can provide a little offence. Let's not pretend he fits like a glove up there.

Hertl or Lindholm between those two players and we're talking a substantial change in goals and points. Problem is they are 8-10 million and Heinen is 850k so when you look at it that way, likely not worth the investment in a Hertl(pre vegas trade) or Lindholm as a UFA.

In a perfect world.....you replace Heinen with Poitras next season at a similar cap hit and hope he can stick with those two.
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I mean he has fit like a glove up there, that line has been very good since Monty put those 3 together
 
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Dizzay said:
If you read the last line......it said Lindholm (as a UFA)...... I'm just guessing that's ballpark where he'll land.


Really? Pasta isn't a shoot first player? 60 goals last season and likely to get 50 this season. C'mon man
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you're not paying attention to Pasta's own words. C'mon man

62 goals is just indicative of how naturally talented he is
 
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