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Laval Rocket: 2023-24 Laval Rocket Thread

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Treb said:
If you read earlier in the thread (which you did since you liked said post), I have a post with a potential roster in it. You will see that Beck and Mesar are the only rookies in the starting lineup. Tuch, Guindon and the others are extras or in the ECHL.

In that roster, I have 2 vets spot to replace Maillet/Andersson. Then I assumed only one of Gignac/Roy/Heineman/Farrell would make the NHL but said if the plan is to have 2, then get another vet (or vet-like player).

There is not a lot of space in the AHL and I fear he might do a Tinordi and play the tough guy instead of developing to try to stay in a pretty full lineup.

Considering this is also his first OHL year as a C, another one could be beneficial. It would also give him more time to acclimate himself to his growth spurt of the last few years instead of throwing him directly at 30 years old AHLer.
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I see your point of view but I don't agree. I feel he is far too physically mature for the OHL. All he will learn are bad habits from relying on being unopposed by his peers. I'd prefer any mens league, doesn't necessarily have to be Laval.
 
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Treb said:
Arber played his overage year.

It would only be his third OHL year, it's not like the classic CHL player playing a 4/5th year.

Also, while he's been playing great and the progression is very interesting, he's not even a PPG player.

With the potential influx of rookies next year (Biondi, Beck, Tuch, Guindon, Kapanen, Gordin and Pitlick plus any UDFA) plus Kidney and Davidson being 2nd year players still looking to establish themselves, we can afford to have him marinate another year.
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I strongly doubt we will ever see these guys in Laval or MTL orgs. Pitlick and Kapanen are also huge question marks.
 
1909 said:
I strongly doubt we will ever see these guys in Laval or MTL orgs. Pitlick and Kapanen are also huge question marks.
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Even with just Beck, Mesar, Davidson and Tuch, it's getting pretty full

1-2 of those will make the Habs. 2-3 remain
Gignac
Roy
Heineman
Farrell

Those 4 guys still have contracts for next year, you are up to 6-7 forwards
Condotta
Kidney
Mysak
Simoneau

Beck and Mesar are already signed for next year and Davidson likely to sign. 9-10 forwards.

I assume they sign Tuch. 10-11 forwards.

Then you have 2-3 vet (or vet-like) replacements for Legare/Andersson/Maillet/Stephens. 12-14 forwards.

And finally you add a tough guy like McKay because it's still the AHL. 13-15 forwards.

That's without signing Kapanen, Biondi, Guindon, Gordin, Pitlick and Smilanic or any UDFA from the CHL, NCAA or Europe. Or the guys we'll sign as ECHL depth.
 
Treb said:
Even with just Beck, Mesar, Davidson and Tuch, it's getting pretty full

1-2 of those will make the Habs. 2-3 remain
Gignac
Roy
Heineman
Farrell

Those 4 guys still have contracts for next year, you are up to 6-7 forwards
Condotta
Kidney
Mysak
Simoneau

Beck and Mesar are already signed for next year and Davidson likely to sign. 9-10 forwards.

I assume they sign Tuch. 10-11 forwards.

Then you have 2-3 vet (or vet-like) replacements for Legare/Andersson/Maillet/Stephens. 12-14 forwards.

And finally you add a tough guy like McKay because it's still the AHL. 13-15 forwards.

That's without signing Kapanen, Biondi, Guindon, Gordin, Pitlick and Smilanic or any UDFA from the CHL, NCAA or Europe. Or the guys we'll sign as ECHL depth.
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Say Heineman and Roy make the Habs. Farrell probably after the trade deadline when Dvorak and Armia may be gone.

Gignac is one of the AHL vets the club needs. Call them Maillet and Andersson but they could be others. Condotta is a leadership vet, but not a scoring vet.

Assuming 14 forwards:

Hopeful NHL Top 9ers
Beck
Mesar
Farrell
Kapanen
Kidney (longer shot)

AHL Vets
Gignac
Maillet
Andersson

Hopeful NHL Bottom 6ers
Davidson
F. Xhekaj (no need for Mackay)
Tuch
Condotta (probably no more than NHL injury callup level)

That's 12, now keep two more if you really want
Simoneau who has neither NHL size nor NHL skill, definitely a grade or two below RHP
Mysak (no NHL speed)
*** These two can also be ECHL tweeneers, or traded or released to play in Europe, allowing the team to sigbn one 9or two more bottom line guys.
 
BaseballCoach said:
Say Heineman and Roy make the Habs. Farrell probably after the trade deadline when Dvorak and Armia may be gone.

Gignac is one of the AHL vets the club needs. Call them Maillet and Andersson but they could be others. Condotta is a leadership vet, but not a scoring vet.

Assuming 14 forwards:

Hopeful NHL Top 9ers
Beck
Mesar
Farrell
Kapanen
Kidney (longer shot)

AHL Vets
Gignac
Maillet
Andersson

Hopeful NHL Bottom 6ers
Davidson
F. Xhekaj (no need for Mackay)
Tuch
Condotta (probably no more than NHL injury callup level)

That's 12, now keep two more if you really want
Simoneau who has neither NHL size nor NHL skill, definitely a grade or two below RHP
Mysak (no NHL speed)
*** These two can also be ECHL tweeneers, or traded or released to play in Europe, allowing the team to sigbn one 9or two more bottom line guys.
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Forcing Xhekaj in the role of AHL fighter is exactly what your roster is doing and terrible for his development.

I also don't think buying out Simoneau and Mysak is a great idea. Burying them in the ECHL would be a terrible move for our reputation with FA and prospects. If you were to trade them, it would likely be for similar players so doesn't fix the logjam.

Again, I don't see the benefit of starting Xhekaj on the AHL 4th line as the strong man.
 
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Treb said:
Forcing Xhekaj in the role of AHL fighter is exactly what your roster is doing and terrible for his development.

I also don't think buying out Simoneau and Mysak is a great idea. Burying them in the ECHL would be a terrible move for our reputation with FA and prospects. If you were to trade them, it would likely be for similar players so doesn't fix the logjam.

Again, I don't see the benefit of starting Xhekaj on the AHL 4th line as the strong man.
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He is not the only strong man. Davidson is tough, Tuch can take care of himself, and I don't gkve a flying f.... about our reputation with non-first round picks; if after two years a player is not showing much NHL impact potential, trade him or bury him or use him only for injury replacement.

If you need a goon, let him be the 13/14th F and play only if we are having problems.

Xhekaj should have a chance to make the Laval squad and should not be cut if he is good enough to make the top-12 before injuries.
 
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He is not the only strong man. Davidson is tough, Tuch can take care of himself, and I don't gkve a flying f.... about our reputation with non-first round picks; if after two years a player is not showing much NHL impact potential, trade him or bury him or use him only for injury replacement.

If you need a goon, let him be the 13/14th F and play only if we are having problems.

Xhekaj should have a chance to make the Laval squad and should not be cut if he is good enough to make the top-12 before injuries.
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I don't want either of the 3 to be the main guy for fights. McKay is already a spare in my scenario.

You may not care about reputation, but this isn't playstation. The way you see thing would guarantee most of our picks re-entering the draft or going unsigned, in addition to imposing us needless buyout penalties as players would not agree to mutual termination.
 
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Treb said:
I don't want either of the 3 to be the main guy for fights. McKay is already a spare in my scenario.

You may not care about reputation, but this isn't playstation. The way you see thing would guarantee most of our picks re-entering the draft or going unsigned, in addition to imposing us needless buyout penalties as players would not agree to mutual termination.
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The easiest thing is to trade them to a team that can give them a chance. There are always teams that could use a Mysak or Simoneau even though we are logjammed. I see no harm to reputation if a prospect is traded like Légaré and Cederqvist were. By the way I NEVER said to buy them out.

At the same time, it goes without saying that if they push Florian out of a top-12 post, by all means keep them and send Xhekaj back to Junior. I'm not suggesting he or anyone else be gifted a spot.
 
BaseballCoach said:
The easiest thing is to trade them to a team that can give them a chance. There are always teams that could use a Mysak or Simoneau even though we are logjammed. I see no harm to reputation if a prospect is traded like Légaré and Cederqvist were. By the way I NEVER said to buy them out.

At the same time, it goes without saying that if they push Florian out of a top-12 post, by all means keep them and send Xhekaj back to Junior. I'm not suggesting he or anyone else be gifted a spot.
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Unless you're giving them for free, you are getting players back and not fixing your logjam.

You can't magically release them so you have to buy them out unless they agree to a mutual termination.

But you were giving him a spot by saying we should get rid of Simoneau/Mysak and not sign a bunch of guys.
 
Treb said:
Unless you're giving them for free, you are getting players back and not fixing your logjam.

You can't magically release them so you have to buy them out unless they agree to a mutual termination.

But you were giving him a spot by saying we should get rid of Simoneau/Mysak and not sign a bunch of guys.
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Yes, however, Simoneau and Mysak can also be traded for prospects in Europe, or guys who need ECHL time, or late round picks, or for merely future considerations.

Again this is assuming as I do they have no NHL upside. If the brass thinks otherwise, they will cut Florian after camp.
 
The season was in their hands and they had the easiest schedule remaining in the entire league and they've completely blown it dropping game after game against bottom ten teams.
 
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Tyson said:
Laval is done, they simply are not good enough
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Ezpz said:
The season was in their hands and they had the easiest schedule remaining in the entire league and they've completely blown it dropping game after game against bottom ten teams.
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Arber and Roy being called up by the Habs, who are not going anywhere this year, not only doomed Laval, but also hampered the progression of the prospects (Mailloux, Farrell, Davidson, Kidney, Dobes,..) by denying them of the playoff experience.
 
Tyson said:
The towel has been thrown in on Laval's season. There may need to be coaching changes at years end.
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Houle's contract is up at the end of the season so I think it is safe to say he's gone, if they thought highly of him I am sure they would've given him an extension.

Given we will start seeing some of HuGo's drafted guys coming to Laval soon, they will probably want their own guy in place for next year.
 
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