Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[Star Platinum]

How about 2OA, Musty and Ferraro to Buffalo for 9OA, Peterka and Byram?

 

[Gecklund]

He'd be our best defenseman, but I don't love Miller. 6'5 25 year old top 4 d-man with offensive ability. He might very well get that package on his own. Cuylle is also worth a 1st+. If we got him for DAL 1st+Ott 2nd in this weaker draft, I'd be pumped.

I also think some teams might be willing to throw $5M (1st+3rd) at Cuylle, which obviously we won't do. Trading for him makes more sense, but I'd guess we're more likely the beneficiary of a Kreider cap move (he wasn't happy about Goodie being waived, just wait until he's the victim!)

Unlike Goodie he'd be one of our 5-6 best forwards.

This whole post is just overvaluing the rangers players. Miller is basically a younger Ferraro. Cuylle is basically Chris Kunitz. I think a late first, an early 2nd and a prospect that was picked early 2nd should be close.

 

[matt trick]

This whole post is just overvaluing the rangers players. Miller is basically a younger Ferraro. Cuylle is basically Chris Kunitz. I think a late first, an early 2nd and a prospect that was picked early 2nd should be close.

A 6'4 23 year old Chris Kunitz would be a lovely addition to the roster.

K'Andre scores 50% more than Ferraro, moves the puck better, and again, is 4-5 inches taller. Ferraro is better defensively, more physical, can't move the puck for shit (if he could he'd be a solid 2nd pair guy), has a muffin shot, and is a shot blocking menace. They have almost nothing in common. I might by they are both 4/5 guys, but I their styles are quite different.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

Not sure Miller would want to sign with us

 

[gaucholoco3]

If I was NY I would offer #12, Cuylle, + to Ottawa for Brady. They were rumored to going after him hard at the deadline. If he tells Ottawa he won’t extend that might be a strong foundation for a trade.

 

[Gecklund]

A 6'4 23 year old Chris Kunitz would be a lovely addition to the roster.

K'Andre scores 50% more than Ferraro, moves the puck better, and again, is 4-5 inches taller. Ferraro is better defensively, more physical, can't move the puck for shit (if he could he'd be a solid 2nd pair guy), has a muffin shot, and is a shot blocking menace. They have almost nothing in common. I might by they are both 4/5 guys, but I their styles are quite different.

Oh I absolutely agree that a Chris Kunitz would be great. There’s a reason I’d like to acquire him. I’d up the package to Musty over Halttunen pretty easily, even Bystedt if that gets NYR to bite.

Miller is also on a much better team than Ferraro and always has been. Don’t think you can compare them evenly with just points.

If I was NY I would offer #12, Cuylle, + to Ottawa for Brady. They were rumored to going after him hard at the deadline. If he tells Ottawa he won’t extend that might be a strong foundation for a trade.

NYR doesn’t have 12 do they? They moved it for Miller, I know there was some protection but thought it was top 10.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

What prospects do we have that can be a top 4 D on either side right now? Mukhammadullin if he comes back healthy and that’s it. Think yall massively overvalue these secondary futures. None of the pieces we are offering are even likely to be NHLers.

What we have now is not a good enough reason to spend futures on a player like Miller. Those secondary futures hitting is what actually moves rebuilds forward not trading them for now players who are really #3's and not top pairing guys. Grier needs to be very selective about how he uses these picks in the late 1st and early-to-mid 2nd round picks because they're important for this process. If he wants to use it to acquire a player that fills a needed and scarce role that fits the team's timeline, there's certainly an argument for that. I don't think Miller fits that at all because of his limitations and likely contract demands.

 

[Gecklund]

What we have now is not a good enough reason to spend futures on a player like Miller. Those secondary futures hitting is what actually moves rebuilds forward not trading them for now players who are really #3's and not top pairing guys. Grier needs to be very selective about how he uses these picks in the late 1st and early-to-mid 2nd round picks because they're important for this process. If he wants to use it to acquire a player that fills a needed and scarce role that fits the team's timeline, there's certainly an argument for that. I don't think Miller fits that at all because of his limitations and likely contract demands.

I don’t agree with literally any of this. Sharks have 3 dmen in their entire organization that either are top four dmen or have top 4 potential. They’re adding one that is only like 25. I don’t care about late firsts and 2nd round picks. Chances are those aren’t going to be NHLers, never mind top of the lineup NHLers.

 

[timorous me]

I don’t agree with literally any of this. Sharks have 3 dmen in their entire organization that either are top four dmen or have top 4 potential. They’re adding one that is only like 25. I don’t care about late firsts and 2nd round picks. Chances are those aren’t going to be NHLers, never mind top of the lineup NHLers.

I'm okay with trading futures—certain ones, at least—on players, but a lot still has to be considered. I like Miller enough, but I don't love him, and I have serious doubts (as anyone should at this point) of how much of an impact player he's going to be. And on top of that, how long is he going to be signed for? If he can go to UFA in like three years, is he worth the cost it would take to get him? (He won't be cheap, no matter if people have doubts on him.)

I still think the Rangers find a way to retain both him and Cuylle. I don't think it'll be that hard. Just call up someone like Ken Holland and you'll probably get assets in return for Chris Kreider!

 

[Gecklund]

I'm okay with trading futures—certain ones, at least—on players, but a lot still has to be considered. I like Miller enough, but I don't love him, and I have serious doubts (as anyone should at this point) of how much of an impact player he's going to be. And on top of that, how long is he going to be signed for? If he can go to UFA in like three years, is he worth the cost it would take to get him? (He won't be cheap, no matter if people have doubts on him.)

I still think the Rangers find a way to retain both him and Cuylle. I don't think it'll be that hard. Just call up someone like Ken Holland and you'll probably get assets in return for Chris Kreider!

My thinking is that both of these come with contracts. It’s 1st for Miller, 2nd for Cuylle and Halttunen to make up the difference for those.

 

[GRANdSharks]

I am not a fan of Miller's game in the slightest but I have alot of time for Cuylle, rangers aren't going to just give him away for meh assets tho they probably move someone else and try and keep him.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I don’t agree with literally any of this. Sharks have 3 dmen in their entire organization that either are top four dmen or have top 4 potential. They’re adding one that is only like 25. I don’t care about late firsts and 2nd round picks. Chances are those aren’t going to be NHLers, never mind top of the lineup NHLers.

So what? They're developing next season and a player of Miller's caliber is something we can acquire when we actually need it to compete. If we're not willing to make a big splash in contracts, getting a guy like Miller that will command a similar contract doesn't seem very likely. And considering he plays a position we're seemingly getting prospects to develop into down the line, we're better off using those picks in a more efficient manner. Whether that's supplementing our future team with more players or assets that can be used in a trade for help or getting someone in a position we actually need like on the right side of the defense or for some help up front.

 

[TheBeard]

I don’t agree with literally any of this. Sharks have 3 dmen in their entire organization that either are top four dmen or have top 4 potential. They’re adding one that is only like 25. I don’t care about late firsts and 2nd round picks. Chances are those aren’t going to be NHLers, never mind top of the lineup NHLers.

Ferraro is only 15 months older. I'd rather just re-sign him for 3.5 per season and not give up assets than get Miller who's gonna want like 6 and cost pieces.

 

[gaucholoco3]

Oh I absolutely agree that a Chris Kunitz would be great. There’s a reason I’d like to acquire him. I’d up the package to Musty over Halttunen pretty easily, even Bystedt if that gets NYR to bite.

Miller is also on a much better team than Ferraro and always has been. Don’t think you can compare them evenly with just points.

NYR doesn’t have 12 do they? They moved it for Miller, I know there was some protection but thought it was top 10.

The NYR pick is top 13 protected. It’s weird that puckpedia shows it as not their pick.

 

[TheBeard]

The NYR pick is top 13 protected. It’s weird that puckpedia shows it as not their pick.

It belongs to Pitts

 

[SJS1991]

The NYR pick is top 13 protected. It’s weird that puckpedia shows it as not their pick.

It will be interesting to see what they do… if they keep it or give up the unprotected 2026 1st. Going to be telling what they think of their team going into next year.

 

[Gecklund]

Ferraro is only 15 months older. I'd rather just re-sign him for 3.5 per season and not give up assets than get Miller who's gonna want like 6 and cost pieces.

I want both Ferraro and Miller. Both can play either side and take the hard minutes from our dmen. Crazy yall want Dobson and give a ton more assets for him, rather than less assets for Miller and Cuylle.

 

[gaucholoco3]

It belongs to Pitts

Unless NY has already elected to convey the 2025 pick instead of the unprotected 2026 pick then NY still has the option to keep that pick and slide it to an unprotected 2026 pick.

 

[TheBeard]

Unless NY has already elected to convey the 2025 pick instead of the unprotected 2026 pick then NY still has the option to keep that pick and slide it to an unprotected 2026 pick.

My guess is they're not gonna risk giving up an unprotected first rounder next year especially after watching what NYI just lucked into just to hold onto the 12th pick in a lackluster draft.

 

[TheBeard]

I want both Ferraro and Miller. Both can play either side and take the hard minutes from our dmen. Crazy yall want Dobson and give a ton more assets for him, rather than less assets for Miller and Cuylle.

I think people's personal narratives with Mario sways their ability to have a more objective perspective of what he brings at a more than reasonable cap hit. Dobson would cost more than 3 times what Ferraro would not to mention the bounty to obtain him. I think people are also swayed by the season Noah had two years, which is clearly more of an anomaly than anything. I think who he is lies smack dab in the middle of the season he had last year and this one. a 10-12 goal scoring, 50 point D-man who eats a lot of minutes and has a mediocre shot (his shooting percentage placed him beyond the top 100 qualified d-men). Also, I know +- is a skewered stat, but of all the D-men on that team who played over 41 games, he's the only one that finished in the negatives at -16. Don't know if that's worth paying him as one of the five highest paid d-men (if he's looking for 10).

 

[gaucholoco3]

My guess is they're not gonna risk giving up an unprotected first rounder next year especially after watching what NYI just lucked into just to hold onto the 12th pick in a lackluster draft.

NY did not hire and pay a record salary to Mike Sullivan to hope they can luck into the lottery (again as they recently won at long odds). They will be going for it next season especially with the new coach and the best goalie in the world signed for 8 more years. They will likely look to move the 12th pick this season for immediate help and give up the unprotected 1st next year.

 

[LadyStanley]

 

[Hodge]

My guess is they're not gonna risk giving up an unprotected first rounder next year especially after watching what NYI just lucked into just to hold onto the 12th pick in a lackluster draft.

Teams don't think like this. Rangers will either make the 13th pick or trade it.

 

[tiburon12]

Grier won't send an offersheet to NYR. That's where he was working before coming here. I'd think he has more respect for his former employers/friends.

If this is truly what you think you should be all over the Fire Grier train. This is pro sports, not fantasy football with your friends. As such, there's 0 chance this is reality

Also, why would offer sheeting a player be disrespectful?

 

[tiburon12]

Miller has no tool kit. Hopefully the Rangers give him a new fat deal

I'm probably wrong, but I think he does have the kit, he just hasn't unboxed it yet. It's a risk that he'll figure it all out, but if he does he'd be elite