Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[Star Platinum]

The D has to be re-built, but i don't see the point of continuing to bring in Goodwill discards that would be 7th d-men on mediocre teams only to have to go through the same process. Every year Grier should prioritize finding at least 2 mainstays for the team on the blueline, whether through the draft or via trade/free agency.

What we need are more guys that are at least genuine middle pairing quality guys. Walman and Ceci, for all their flaws, were at least that quality, but we flipped both and I think we were right to flip both. If we had four guys of that quality on the roster, even if the overall defense was still below average for the league, it would help the team a great deal. And then when guys like Dickinson are ready to be those guys, you trade your excess guys who will always be in demand at the deadline.

 

[TheBeard]

What we need are more guys that are at least genuine middle pairing quality guys. Walman and Ceci, for all their flaws, were at least that quality, but we flipped both and I think we were right to flip both. If we had four guys of that quality on the roster, even if the overall defense was still below average for the league, it would help the team a great deal. And then when guys like Dickinson are ready to be those guys, you trade your excess guys who will always be in demand at the deadline.

I'm fine with that too, but i want Grier to start bringing in guys he sees as more than just trade fodder in a year or two.

 

[LadyStanley]

 

[Star Platinum]

I'm fine with that too, but i want Grier to start bringing in guys he sees as more than just trade fodder in a year or two.

I think with the trade assets we have, it's hard to get guys coming back who are quality guys that are locked in for years at a reasonable rate. If we're lucky, maybe we'll have three or so prospects who end up being good enough to occupy some of those spots that we'll have team control of for a long time.

 

[TheBeard]

I think with the trade assets we have, it's hard to get guys coming back who are quality guys that are locked in for years at a reasonable rate. If we're lucky, maybe we'll have three or so prospects who end up being good enough to occupy some of those spots that we'll have team control of for a long time.

I do think the emphasis is now on Grier to sell the vision to prospective free agents (the ones he envisions that actually have competition as opposed to the dredges of the lot) the way he sold the vision to Hasso.

 

[coooldude]

I don't know that we need a younger Toffoli. Same slow, big(ger) shot, goal scorer. Higher peak but also less consistent lately.

You put him with Smith, and now you have two slow guys on that line. Who in our lineup can hustle to add some F1 / stretch grit to that line? Eklund has hustle but he's actually not that fast at top speed. Grundstrom doesn't have the skill. Kovalenko when he's on? I dunno. I don't like it for the 5-6 years that would be likely necessary.

 

[ChompChomp]

I don't know that we need a younger Toffoli. Same slow, big(ger) shot, goal scorer. Higher peak but also less consistent lately.

You put him with Smith, and now you have two slow guys on that line. Who in our lineup can hustle to add some F1 / stretch grit to that line? Eklund has hustle but he's actually not that fast at top speed. Grundstrom doesn't have the skill. Kovalenko when he's on? I dunno. I don't like it for the 5-6 years that would be likely necessary.

Boeser isn't someone I would strongly target. But it would be interesting if the Sharks drafted Misa and ran with these 3 lines (maybe not even in 25-26, but perhaps the following year):

Eklund-Celebrini-Toffoli
Cherny-Misa-Boeser
Musty-Smith-Graf

That Misa line would have Cherny and Misa trying to carry over their insane chemistry from juniors to the NHL, and then attaching a veteran Toffoli-like winger on the other side. I also still want to see if Musty and Smith have the chemistry that we saw last summer, I think it was in the prospects scrimmages?

I agree with you, Boeser doesn't make the ideal RW for Smith. Just an interesting thought experiment. Boeser is going to have better suitors (from his POV) anyways, so I don't agree with Max Miller that Boeser makes sense either from his side or the Sharks side.

 

[matt trick]

I don't think we should expect the defense to be fixed in one offseason. We are not going to be able to magically add 2-3 guys that we are happy with there. And I think we have to accept that we are going to have guys best suited to be mid pair defencemen at best as our top pair guys. If guys like Byram or Nemec become available, we should push hard for them, even though they are not sure shots. Also, I'm sure if NJ wants to trade Nemec, they would rather use him in a package to go after Quinn Hughes than just look for prospects from us. And sign someone like Fabbro or Provorov. I don't think any of the bigger name free agent defencemen are going to even bother hearing us out. Heck, with how much every team seems to want D-men, even those 2 will have options. And usually players who have any kinda value with options don't choose San Jose.

I think it’ll take at least two offseason. Also, should a Fabbro-level player get waived again, I really hope we grab him. I imagine if Grier knew he’d move Walman he probably does grab Fabbro. Or it was a tank attempt to not pickup?

One other benefit of being first in waiver order- unless the Rags waive another Goodrow!

 

[Juxtaposer]

I think it’ll take at least two offseason. Also, should a Fabbro-level player get waived again, I really hope we grab him. I imagine if Grier knew he’d move Walman he probably does grab Fabbro. Or it was a tank attempt to not pickup?

One other benefit of being first in waiver order- unless the Rags waive another Goodrow!

Easy to forget that at the time that Fabbro was waived, the Sharks were actually looking pretty good and only like fifth worst in the league or something. So passing may have been a tank move. Still think it was wrong, but that may have been the intent.

 

[Hodge]

How about 2OA, Musty and Ferraro to Buffalo for 9OA, Peterka and Byram?

 

[tiburon12]

Not a fan of Boeser, but at the right price obv he would be helpful. I just dont think he'll come here for like 6M. He's a 25g, 50-60pt guy, nothing more.

If we don't get Schaefer, I like the idea of OSing K. Miller at 4.5 and jam up the Rangers cap situation. Maybe that means then prying some depth guys like Schneider or Cuylle away if the choose to keep Miller. I really like Miller's tools and if we can unlock him that would be amazing.

 

[SJS1991]

I don't know that we need a younger Toffoli. Same slow, big(ger) shot, goal scorer. Higher peak but also less consistent lately.

You put him with Smith, and now you have two slow guys on that line. Who in our lineup can hustle to add some F1 / stretch grit to that line? Eklund has hustle but he's actually not that fast at top speed. Grundstrom doesn't have the skill. Kovalenko when he's on? I dunno. I don't like it for the 5-6 years that would be likely necessary.

Boeser is also a bit of a power play merch. I don’t know if he is the best at 5v5 and if he helps them overall.

Feels like a piece you add to load up for a run.

 

[Sharkz4Fun]

Won't find an argument out of me there but we have Ostapchuk so its a make the best of a situation thing for me. I think he could be an effective Sturm-like 4th liner.

Sturm is now getting scratched (this time for Gadjovich LOL, miss that guy a lot) for the second time during a cup run because he wasn't even a good enough 4th liner. He'll be in the DEL in a few years like Ostapchuk will be in the LNAH. Still can't believe Grier gave him 3 years lol.

 

[mogambomoroo]

I would offer sheet K'Andre Miller or Will Cuylle for something like 4x4.5mil easily, but I don't know if MG does it because of Rangers history.

New compensation thresholds for NHL offer sheets revealed

Will there be more offer sheets this summer after the St. Louis Blues found success getting Philip Broberg and Dylan Holloway from Edmonton? With the salary cap rising, here are the new offer sheet compensation thresholds.

www.sportsnet.ca

 

[Le Rosbeef]

Not for me. 8.5m for six years is a) not a good match for us unless, perhaps, you're looking at a Dman and, b) probably optimistic anyway - there are a bunch of teams who would/could overpay for him. My money is on Minnesota or even Chicago... Anyway, does anyone realistically see that contract being worth it in his mid 30s? I'm not against spending cap, but at this stage of the rebuild it has to be more of a sure thing than that.

I get it - It's not fun or exciting being patient. But we need to stick the course for 12 more months - there's some serious defensive help coming in the 26 draft that could change our defensive outlook. I'm all aboard taking Misa and waiting it out for 12 months.

Let Grier look again for some saleable assets in free agency, on 1 or 2 year deals, for asset cycling at the deadline. Not at all sexy but someone like Radek Faksa to be our 3C for the next two years would be the sort of thing I'd absolutely target. Good at the dot, plays the right way. Or a guy like Tanner Jeannot for the bottom 6 and a physical presence. These are the types who could, with a good season, make themselves valuable to a contender near the end of the season and create more draft capital for down the line.

We've gone this far in the rebuild - might as well see it through.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

How about 2OA, Musty and Ferraro to Buffalo for 9OA, Peterka and Byram?

Who are you targeting at 9OA?

 

[pappaf2]

Mrtka?

 

[Hodge]

Who are you targeting at 9OA?

McQueen or Mrtka I would think. Maybe Brady Martin? Anyone but baby Eklund.

 

[Gecklund]

I would offer sheet K'Andre Miller or Will Cuylle for something like 4x4.5mil easily, but I don't know if MG does it because of Rangers history.

New compensation thresholds for NHL offer sheets revealed

Will there be more offer sheets this summer after the St. Louis Blues found success getting Philip Broberg and Dylan Holloway from Edmonton? With the salary cap rising, here are the new offer sheet compensation thresholds.

www.sportsnet.ca

Personally if I’m Grier I’m offering NYR DAL 1, SJS 2 in 26, and like Halttunen for Cuylle and Miller. Offersheets just are so rare still and yes the threat is more there now but I still don’t think we see any.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Personally if I’m Grier I’m offering NYR DAL 1, SJS 2 in 26, and like Halttunen for Cuylle and Miller. Offersheets just are so rare still and yes the threat is more there now but I still don’t think we see any.

I'm not particularly impressed by Miller to trade futures for him. We have our own prospects that should be able to develop into a similar caliber player in time. Cuylle is a worthwhile pursuit.

 

[Gecklund]

I'm not particularly impressed by Miller to trade futures for him. We have our own prospects that should be able to develop into a similar caliber player in time. Cuylle is a worthwhile pursuit.

What prospects do we have that can be a top 4 D on either side right now? Mukhammadullin if he comes back healthy and that’s it. Think yall massively overvalue these secondary futures. None of the pieces we are offering are even likely to be NHLers.

 

[ChompChomp]

I'd love to get Miller and Cuylle in a trade, but I won't be happy unless it looks like a steal of a trade for us, i.e., looks like doing us a solid for Goodrow. (I'm not over it and still bummed we weren't in on Kakko).

 

[matt trick]

Personally if I’m Grier I’m offering NYR DAL 1, SJS 2 in 26, and like Halttunen for Cuylle and Miller. Offersheets just are so rare still and yes the threat is more there now but I still don’t think we see any.

He'd be our best defenseman, but I don't love Miller. 6'5 25 year old top 4 d-man with offensive ability. He might very well get that package on his own. Cuylle is also worth a 1st+. If we got him for DAL 1st+Ott 2nd in this weaker draft, I'd be pumped.

I also think some teams might be willing to throw $5M (1st+3rd) at Cuylle, which obviously we won't do. Trading for him makes more sense, but I'd guess we're more likely the beneficiary of a Kreider cap move (he wasn't happy about Goodie being waived, just wait until he's the victim!)

Unlike Goodie he'd be one of our 5-6 best forwards.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Grier won't send an offersheet to NYR. That's where he was working before coming here. I'd think he has more respect for his former employers/friends.

 

[Grinner]

What prospects do we have that can be a top 4 D on either side right now? Mukhammadullin if he comes back healthy and that’s it. Think yall massively overvalue these secondary futures. None of the pieces we are offering are even likely to be NHLers.

Miller has no tool kit. Hopefully the Rangers give him a new fat deal