Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[weastern bias]

Another RHD name to add to our list: Evan Bouchard. He’s been brought up by Oilers media a few times for not being in the Oilers plans. Not sure what I’d offer for him and I doubt it would be enough but could be another Grier target.

Not interested, he's a terrible defensive player and his point totals are largely a product of playing on the PP with McDavid and Draisaitl, he's about to become the next albatross contract in the league, he's not a true top-pairing talent and he's gonna get paid like a Norris candidate

Tyson Barrie led the league in D-Man scoring when he played with the Oilers too, Evan Bouchard is a mirage

 

[Gecklund]

Not interested, he's a terrible defensive player and his point totals are largely a product of playing on the PP with McDavid and Draisaitl, he's about to become the next albatross contract in the league, he's not a true top-pairing talent and he's gonna get paid like a Norris candidate

Tyson Barrie led the league in D-Man scoring when he played with the Oilers too, Evan Bouchard is a mirage

He’s not a terrible defensive player and his points are absolutely not all because he plays with those 2. I think he’s going to get a similar contract as Dobson and they are basically the same level player.

 

[weastern bias]

He’s not a terrible defensive player and his points are absolutely not all because he plays with those 2. I think he’s going to get a similar contract as Dobson and they are basically the same level player.

He is an abhorrent defensive player, truly awful

 

[weastern bias]

He’s not a terrible defensive player and his points are absolutely not all because he plays with those 2. I think he’s going to get a similar contract as Dobson and they are basically the same level player.

His points are not ALL due to those two, but his totals are massively inflated by playing with an all-time talent and a 50 goal Hart winner at the same time

Just look at the drop in his production this season, McDavid has a "down year" by his lofty standards and suddenly Bouchard drops by 15 points while playing one more game, while he'd make the Sharks better he certainly wouldn't approach a point per game playing on this roster without the best Power Play engine the league has seen since Mario Lemieux running the show

 

[Saskatoon]

I would take Bouchard at a reduced price but yea that probably isn't going to happen. Somebody will pay him.

 

[Hodge]

Not interested, he's a terrible defensive player and his point totals are largely a product of playing on the PP with McDavid and Draisaitl, he's about to become the next albatross contract in the league, he's not a true top-pairing talent and he's gonna get paid like a Norris candidate

Tyson Barrie led the league in D-Man scoring when he played with the Oilers too, Evan Bouchard is a mirage

Yeah I literally would not take Bouchard on the Sharks for free.

 

[Hodge]

wrong thread

 

[timorous me]

Not interested, he's a terrible defensive player and his point totals are largely a product of playing on the PP with McDavid and Draisaitl, he's about to become the next albatross contract in the league, he's not a true top-pairing talent and he's gonna get paid like a Norris candidate

Tyson Barrie led the league in D-Man scoring when he played with the Oilers too, Evan Bouchard is a mirage

True, but he was a f***ing awesome pickup in my keeper fantasy league a couple years ago, I have to say!

 

[ThePlanet]

Yeah I literally would not take Bouchard on the Sharks for free.

Occasionally little nuggets of truth slip through the cracks, but takes like this, implying that a defenseman who just lead all rookies in scoring wasn't instrumental in dragging Montreal into the playoffs, and your "Smurf" tirades prevent me from taking anything you post seriously.

 

[Hodge]

Occasionally little nuggets of truth slip through the cracks, but takes like this, implying that a defenseman who just lead all rookies in scoring wasn't instrumental in dragging Montreal into the playoffs, and your "Smurf" tirades prevent me from taking anything you post seriously.

Everyone knows pointzzz are the best way to judge a defenseman.

 

[ThePlanet]

Everyone knows pointzzz are the best way to judge a defenseman.

I thought it was height...

 

[Hodge]

I thought it was height...

Being a smurf is highly correlated with height but it is ultimately a spiritual condition. Bouchard may be 6'3" but he has the soul of a smurf.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

Being a smurf is highly correlated with height but it is ultimately a spiritual condition. Bouchard may be 6'3" but he has the soul of a smurf.

This is so true. And also why Cagnoni is going to be a top pair shutdown D in his prime.

 

[Star Platinum]

Being a smurf is highly correlated with height but it is ultimately a spiritual condition. Bouchard may be 6'3" but he has the soul of a smurf.

Who is the tallest smurf in NHL history?

 

[tiburon12]

Who is the tallest smurf in NHL history?

Brian Boyle

 

[sampler]

Was watching the wild-knights yesterday, and it dawned on me how rare the Wild roster construction seems to be.

Top scorers:
Boldy is 6'2, but then...
rossi 5'9
kapirzov 5'10
zuccarello 5'8
Goodreau 6' (though just 184 lbs)
Marcus Johansson 6'1
Spurgeon 5'9

What a fascinating roster construction. So small. Eriksson Ek and Foligno add some forward size, but still, so little.

Granted, they are definitely struggling at times with looooong shifts in the D zone vs. the larger vegas team, but its impressive nonetheless.

Wonder if the sharks can succeed even with a fair number of smurfs. Also, looking at Rossi's pathway, makes me wonder if we are missing out or mishandling Guschkin? Rossi, at 20, got a a 2 game taste of NHL. then at 21, got 19 games, but just 1 assist and -7. Then at 22, they gave him an NHL look and he started the season with just 1 goal and -2 in the first 5 games.

However, they stuck with him, gave him significant ice time on top lines, he got better and better, and put up 60 pts this year.

His stature is similar. AHL numbers similar. Age similar. playing style and skill, similar. I think the sharks are screwing up with Guschkin not giving him a real NHL shot. Gushkchin had 5 pts and -6 in his first 18 NHL games, but just about Pt per game in the AHL over three seasons. Does he need to improve defensively? Sure. But you need a real chance in order to improve. Rossi had 2 pts and -10 in his first 26 NHL games. What if the sharks give Gush a real shot with Celly to start next year and kept him for the year in the NHL? Could that possible be worse than Goodrow or dyllandrea? Could Gush be the next yanni Gourde or Rossi, who just needs a chance? not a 10-15 gm limited mins chance, but a real one?

And what happens if Gush ends up a 50-60 pt NHLer? Suddenly, out of nowhere, the sharks have a legit top 9 winger with high skill. he needs to be given at least one full NHL year. He's earned it, and letting him rot in the AHL or losing him to the KHL seems awful asset management.

 

[tiburon12]

speaking of potential trade targets.....

 

[Crewouse]

Was watching the wild-knights yesterday, and it dawned on me how rare the Wild roster construction seems to be.

Top scorers:
Boldy is 6'2, but then...
rossi 5'9
kapirzov 5'10
zuccarello 5'8
Goodreau 6' (though just 184 lbs)
Marcus Johansson 6'1
Spurgeon 5'9

What a fascinating roster construction. So small. Eriksson Ek and Foligno add some forward size, but still, so little.

Granted, they are definitely struggling at times with looooong shifts in the D zone vs. the larger vegas team, but its impressive nonetheless.

Wonder if the sharks can succeed even with a fair number of smurfs. Also, looking at Rossi's pathway, makes me wonder if we are missing out or mishandling Guschkin? Rossi, at 20, got a a 2 game taste of NHL. then at 21, got 19 games, but just 1 assist and -7. Then at 22, they gave him an NHL look and he started the season with just 1 goal and -2 in the first 5 games.

However, they stuck with him, gave him significant ice time on top lines, he got better and better, and put up 60 pts this year.

His stature is similar. AHL numbers similar. Age similar. playing style and skill, similar. I think the sharks are screwing up with Guschkin not giving him a real NHL shot. Gushkchin had 5 pts and -6 in his first 18 NHL games, but just about Pt per game in the AHL over three seasons. Does he need to improve defensively? Sure. But you need a real chance in order to improve. Rossi had 2 pts and -10 in his first 26 NHL games. What if the sharks give Gush a real shot with Celly to start next year and kept him for the year in the NHL? Could that possible be worse than Goodrow or dyllandrea? Could Gush be the next yanni Gourde or Rossi, who just needs a chance? not a 10-15 gm limited mins chance, but a real one?

And what happens if Gush ends up a 50-60 pt NHLer? Suddenly, out of nowhere, the sharks have a legit top 9 winger with high skill. he needs to be given at least one full NHL year. He's earned it, and letting him rot in the AHL or losing him to the KHL seems awful asset management.

Delete this rn before Hodge has an aneurysm

 

[Gecklund]

Apparently Canes are dragging their feet with signing Nikishin. I would trade everything in our franchise except Macklin, Smith, and Askarov for him. Add Schaefer to that list if we get that pick but the rest yep I’d do it.

 

[gaucholoco3]

Apparently Canes are dragging their feet with signing Nikishin. I would trade everything in our franchise except Macklin, Smith, and Askarov for him. Add Schaefer to that list if we get that pick but the rest yep I’d do it.

Puckpedia shows he is signed.

 

[Patty Ice]

Apparently Canes are dragging their feet with signing Nikishin. I would trade everything in our franchise except Macklin, Smith, and Askarov for him. Add Schaefer to that list if we get that pick but the rest yep I’d do it.

If the Sharks end up at 3OA, that is on the table for him.

 

[Patty Ice]

Puckpedia shows he is signed.

Tulsky has confirmed he hasn't signed yet. I'll look for a link.

Alexander Nikishin Is Technically Unsigned, But Hurricanes Aren't At All Worried

Carolina Hurricanes general manager Eric Tulsky revealed Wednesday on a Zoom call with local media, that new defenseman Alexander Nikishin has not yet technically signed his contract with the team.

thehockeynews.com

 

[Gecklund]

Puckpedia shows he is signed.

Tulsky confirmed he isn’t. Puckpedia I’ve found is right a whole lot but there’s been a few things I’ve found where they jumped the gun.

If the Sharks end up at 3OA, that is on the table for him.

Hell if they end at 2nd overall they can have the pick. I’d give up a huge package for him. I think Nikishin is a top pair D in the NHL. Best d prospect that isn’t in the NHL by far.

 

[Patty Ice]

Hell if they end at 2nd overall they can have the pick. I’d give up a huge package for him. I think Nikishin is a top pair D in the NHL. Best d prospect that isn’t in the NHL by far.

It's like winning the lottery without winning it and getting a defenseman that can be as good as if not better than Schaefer.

 

[Gecklund]

It's like winning the lottery without winning it and getting a defenseman that can be as good as if not better than Schaefer.

Yep absolutely. People here won’t like this but if Canes said we will give you Nikishin (and he will sign here) I’d offer up our first (that isn’t first overall) and Dickinson if that was what Canes asked for.