Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[Juxtaposer]

@Juxtaposer @Gecklund

Word! For some reason I thought Smith was playing center still, and that Wennberg was the 3C. I definitely understand why you wouldn’t want your only real top 9 C’s being teenagers though.

I wouldn’t balk at the price for Kunin, but we don’t have our 2nd or 3rd rounder’s this year due to the absolute heist we pulled on the Oilers for Holloway/Broberg. Plus, he’s a STL kid, so I could see Army being interested in bringing him home.

Yeah, I don't fancy two teenagers as our top-6 centers.

Wow, you really really don't have any 2nd round picks. Toss me a 2026 3rd and 4th and Luke is yours. Grier's price may be higher than that, but what's what feels right to me for Kunin.

 

[PeoriaBlues309]

Yeah, I don't fancy two teenagers as our top-6 centers.

Wow, you really really don't have any 2nd round picks. Toss me a 2026 3rd and 4th and Luke is yours. Grier's price may be higher than that, but what's what feels right to me for Kunin.

Hahaha yeahhh we were throwing our 2nd’s around like candy over the offseason.

Would you guys be interested in Texier in maybe a straight swap? We’re loaded at the wing position, and he hasn’t really gotten as much playing time as we envisioned. I definitely see him being used as a trade chip this week. Maybe there could be something there since Kunin has more use in a fourth line role than Tex does.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Hahaha yeahhh we were throwing our 2nd’s around like candy over the offseason.

Would you guys be interested in Texier in maybe a straight swap? We’re loaded at the wing position, and he hasn’t really gotten as much playing time as we envisioned. I definitely see him being used as a trade chip this week. Maybe there could be something there since Kunin has more use in a bottom 6 role than Tex does.

Not really interested in projects at this point. Texier is basically the same age as Kunin and isn't an established NHL player.

 

[PeoriaBlues309]

Not really interested in projects at this point. Texier is basically the same age as Kunin and isn't an established NHL player.

I get that! Just figured I’d throw it out there since it’d be getting another roster forward in for you guys.

 

[Juxtaposer]

I get that! Just figured I’d throw it out there since it’d be getting another roster forward in for you guys.

We've actually got plenty of roster forwards... just not very many good ones.

 

[STL Shark]

With DET having 3 scouts at the game last night and not playing Toronto until the final game of the season, me thinks something is up. Sounds like minute eating 4/5 D-Man is their biggest need, so the Ferraro fit seems too easy.

Yzerman sucks at trading, so going ahead and penciling in Ferraro to DET for a 2025 1st rounder. Then we sit and hope that Detroit falls out of the playoff hunt and we have another top 15 pick this year.

 

[Grinner]

With DET having 3 scouts at the game last night and not playing Toronto until the final game of the season, me thinks something is up. Sounds like minute eating 4/5 D-Man is their biggest need, so the Ferraro fit seems too easy.

Yzerman sucks at trading, so going ahead and penciling in Ferraro to DET for a 2025 1st rounder. Then we sit and hope that Detroit falls out of the playoff hunt and we have another top 15 pick this year.

Ferraro and Denvers 2026 2nd for MBN

 

[Gecklund]

The more I think about it the more I want to keep Ferraro and move Walman instead. Walman’s decision making is just baffling. If someone offers around what we were looking for for Ferraro I’d say move Walman and roll with:

Mukhammadullin-Ferraro
Vlasic-Liljegren
Schuldt-Thompson

I’d also like to try to flip Bordeleau for Jones and Thrun for Reichel. I don’t really think either of the other teams would do it but this is the sharks boards so I’ll only get kind of roasted for it!

 

[Jargon]

The more I think about it the more I want to keep Ferraro and move Walman instead. Walman’s decision making is just baffling. If someone offers around what we were looking for for Ferraro I’d say move Walman and roll with:

Mukhammadullin-Ferraro
Vlasic-Liljegren
Schuldt-Thompson

I’d also like to try to flip Bordeleau for Jones and Thrun for Reichel. I don’t really think either of the other teams would do it but this is the sharks boards so I’ll only get kind of roasted for it!

I’d like to keep Walman for the puck moving. He’s seemingly lost all confidence since the injury and forces plays etc, but he was quite good before then and I’d like to see if he can find it again. Especially if at some point we can find someone that pushes him down to the 2nd pairing.

I like Ferraro more than most here but if he can bring back a 1st I take it and run.

 

[STL Shark]

The more I think about it the more I want to keep Ferraro and move Walman instead. Walman’s decision making is just baffling. If someone offers around what we were looking for for Ferraro I’d say move Walman and roll with:

Mukhammadullin-Ferraro
Vlasic-Liljegren
Schuldt-Thompson

I’d also like to try to flip Bordeleau for Jones and Thrun for Reichel. I don’t really think either of the other teams would do it but this is the sharks boards so I’ll only get kind of roasted for it!

Teams are not looking for a Walman type midseason to make playoff runs. Softer D-Men without playoff history don't command premium returns this time of year. Teams are going to want to see Walman produce offense for another year before offering a package that makes sense to move him.

Ferraro value is probably as high as it will be right now. He's playing well and there are not a ton of surefire sellers out there with the Eastern Conference having 6 teams out of the playoff hunt within 5 points of the final WC spot and the West having 3 within 2 points of the final WC spot.

 

[Hodge]

Walman has negative trade value

 

[coooldude]

Beggars can't be choosers -- despite Walman's recent run of poor form, we still need him to claw our way out of the dungeon. I think we have to keep him for now.

I think about it a bit like climbing a mountain of sand. We're constantly fighting gravity and the lack of purchase on our attempt to become a better team. Every guy you trade who is A Real NHL Roster Guy like Walman, is a guy you have to replace immediately or else you are banking on some prospect stepping way TF up. If you trade that guy for futures, then you're just slipping back down. We have enough futures for now -- don't trade him unless the piece coming back is a roster piece OR it's next season and he's heading for UFA.

Same for Ferraro. Keep them both, and try to add 2 roster RD's (ideally one top 4 or even top pair) in the offseason. MAYBE move Walman/Ferraro back the other way for said RD, if we really believe in a 5/6/7/8 that includes Vlasic/Thrun/Cagnoni/Dickinson/ ojala Schaefer next year. I'm not sure I buy it especially given inevitable injuries, and I really think Grier and co should be trying to make a big step forward next year to 5-10th worst.

 

[gaucholoco3]

If we had a guy with Celebrini's skill and Kostin's size (used effectively), we'd have an obvious, no-doubt Hall of Famer. I think that's a bit out of the question...

Yeah I think that is the description of Mario or maybe a better Jagr. That doesn’t exist other than maybe 1-2 players in the history of the league.

 

[pappaf2]

If we had a guy with Celebrini's skill and Kostin's size (used effectively), we'd have an obvious, no-doubt Hall of Famer. I think that's a bit out of the question...

I always used to think about the player Pavs would have been if he had Pattys frame and skating ability.

 

[spintops]

If someone is offering a 1st for Ferraro I take it and run. Then try to trade our second for better dmen in the off-season

 

[Juxtaposer]

If someone is offering a 1st for Ferraro I take it and run. Then try to trade our second for better dmen in the off-season

If someone was offering a 1st for Goodrow, I'd take it and run too. Equally likely chance of happening.

Pretty much every person Sheng has talked to over the past year has said that nobody is giving up much value for Ferraro. A few good games doesn't change that.

The realistic question is would you trade Ferraro for a late 2nd from a contender. I'd lean no at this point.

 

[one2gamble]

The realistic question is would you trade Ferraro for a late 2nd from a contender. I'd lean no at this point.

no, because you would be lucky to get a Ferraro and stability is important. They need to build up the D in front of him so he can play at the correct level.

 

[STL Shark]

If someone was offering a 1st for Goodrow, I'd take it and run too. Equally likely chance of happening.

Pretty much every person Sheng has talked to over the past year has said that nobody is giving up much value for Ferraro. A few good games doesn't change that.

The realistic question is would you trade Ferraro for a late 2nd from a contender. I'd lean no at this point.

I think teams will be more willing to move picks this draft. A 2nd isn't getting it done though as we just saw the literal same player in Lindgren get a 2nd and 4th as a rental (like down to both being 49th overall picks and everything).

Given Colorado was interested in Ferraro and opted for the 2nd and 4th for a Lindgren rental over term on Ferraro means we're pretty clearly not taking a 2nd round package in return (unless it also includes a prospect - something Colorado has none of). Have to see if the group of Detroit, Minnesota, Winnipeg, and Toronto (all teams that have been mentioned in some form or fashion) want to pay up as supply begins to decrease.

 

[TheBeard]

I think the fact Ferraro has another year at a very reasonable cap hit puts him into 1st round territory.

I honestly still don't know if i'd do it unless I knew we were going to bring in some serious upgardes on the blueline in the offseason, and not the Cecis of the world.

 

[Jargon]

I think the fact Ferraro has another year at a very reasonable cap hit puts him into 1st round territory.

I honestly still don't know if i'd do it unless I knew we were going to bring in some serious upgardes on the blueline in the offseason, and not the Cecis of the world.

If we somehow manage to trick someone into giving us a 1st for Ferraro, having 2 tradeable 1sts really opens the door for us to make a big swing for someone like Byram, etc.

 

[pappaf2]

If we somehow manage to trick someone into giving us a 1st for Ferraro, having 2 tradeable 1sts really opens the door for us to make a big swing for someone like Byram, etc.

In the case of Byram, I’d think a package around the Dallas 1st and Ferraro+ would be more appealing to BUF than two 1sts +. Gives them a cost controlled vet team first lhd to fill in the space where Byram was.

 

[Jargon]

In the case of Byram, I’d think a package around the Dallas 1st and Ferraro+ would be more appealing to BUF than two 1sts +. Gives them a cost controlled vet team first lhd to fill in the space where Byram was.

..let’s do it!

 

[STL Shark]

I think the fact Ferraro has another year at a very reasonable cap hit puts him into 1st round territory.

I honestly still don't know if i'd do it unless I knew we were going to bring in some serious upgardes on the blueline in the offseason, and not the Cecis of the world.

I think being armed with 2 additional 1st rounders plus 33rd or 34th overall should enable us to be able to make some solid blue line upgrades if we need to deal for them (i.e. don't get Schaefer). Also have a crap ton of cap space to just go out and overpay in AAV for an Ekblad and/or Gavrikov/Kovacevic.

With the Panthers adding Jones, Ekblad is going to assuredly be a UFA this summer. Maybe he's gotten accustomed to warm weather and lowkey hockey environments where he can have a life not in the public spotlight and wants to come play with Celebrini and Co. Would be an ideal partner in a year or so if we do land Schaefer.

 

[TheBeard]

If we somehow manage to trick someone into giving us a 1st for Ferraro, having 2 tradeable 1sts really opens the door for us to make a big swing for someone like Byram, etc.

This would be the only justifiable reasoning IMO. If they trade for another first just to draft another guy who won't be ready until 2029 (if ever) then Grier is banking too much on the hopes his scouting department is elite.

 

[TheBeard]

I think being armed with 2 additional 1st rounders plus 33rd or 34th overall should enable us to be able to make some solid blue line upgrades if we need to deal for them (i.e. don't get Schaefer). Also have a crap ton of cap space to just go out and overpay in AAV for an Ekblad and/or Gavrikov/Kovacevic.

With the Panthers adding Jones, Ekblad is going to assuredly be a UFA this summer. Maybe he's gotten accustomed to warm weather and lowkey hockey environments where he can have a life not in the public spotlight and wants to come play with Celebrini and Co. Would be an ideal partner in a year or so if we do land Schaefer.

My only issue is these players aren't just gonna want money, they're gonna want major term. Why would any older player come to an organization not ready to compete for a few years in a state with high taxes, and why would we want to have an overpaid guy being an anchor when we may need the cap space in 5 years? Ekblad, for example, will be a major concern in say 5 years when he's making 8.5-9 at 34 playing maybe 50% of the games.