Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[gaucholoco3]

p.s.: the sharks OT strategy is mindbogglingly dumb. Why are they so damn impatient??? In OT, when you get posession, you should NEVER give it up. even if you just play catch for 5 minutes. The whole key is patience, you speed up the ice, circle and make the other team chase you. Do that for 2 minutes but never shoot. Never force anything. Eventually, the other team will be exhausted from a 2+ minute shift running around chasing you. In the meantime, you change twice. Then you have fresh legs full of energy against an opposition that cannt move. it wont be long before you have a back door tap in. hell, even a great save is OK, because the opponent wont be able to do anything even if they get posession as they will be in full muscle failure and you will be fresh. Game after game, you see the sharks get posession in OT then try to immediately force something with somewhat low percentage. Sure, you get a shot, but then its saved and against a good team, you never touch the puck again. I am befuddled how dumb they are...

The biggest culprit for being impatient is the player everyone has been upset didn’t start OT against the Jets. Celebrini has not been good in OT and has been directly responsible for multiple OT goals against including the last one where he rushed for a low percentage chance to then lose possession and then get walked in the D zone by Caulfield.

Celebrini has been great all season but even with the OT winner against Detroit he has directly cost the Sharks 3 points with his play in OT this season.

 

[Juxtaposer]

How is it news that Grier has an asking price and is sticking to it at this moment?

Because if you stick with your price and nobody pays it you lose Kunin for nothing. Usually bad teams will sell their pending UFAs to whomever makes the highest bid instead of losing them for nothing.

 

[Star Platinum]

Because if you stick with your price and nobody pays it you lose Kunin for nothing. Usually bad teams will sell their pending UFAs to whomever makes the highest bid instead of losing them for nothing.

It's all just posturing. Whatever deal he ends up making, he'll claim his price was met.

 

[LadyStanley]

Shen has his eye on a couple of eastern D, but doesn't think the Sharks have the assets to acquire. A few lower round picks for possible returns on a few pending UFAs.

 

[Star Platinum]

Shen has his eye on a couple of eastern D, but doesn't think the Sharks have the assets to acquire. A few lower round picks for possible returns on a few pending UFAs.

An NHL scout, who’s a big Ferraro fan, agreed with SJHN’s assessment that the team-first blueliner just hasn’t been able to get away from the bad defensive habits that playing for a perpetual loser can engrain in you.

For example, Ferraro has never developed high-end patience with the puck, but who can blame him when he’s been under siege in the defensive zone his entire career?

“Making too much money for his role,” one NHL scout, who sees Ferraro as a bottom-pairing defender, said.

 

[Hodge]

Grier is absolutely correct to set a 2nd as the asking price for Kunin, if not a 2nd + another pick. How many forwards are there on the trade market who can rack up 20 goals and 200 hits in a season, play center and wing, kill penalties, drop the gloves and shoot right? Every contender should want him in their bottom six.

 

[Star Platinum]

Grier is absolutely correct to set a 2nd as the asking price for Kunin, if not a 2nd + another pick. How many forwards are there on the trade market who can rack up 20 goals and 200 hits in a season, play center and wing, kill penalties, drop the gloves and shoot right? Every contender should want him in their bottom six.

Kunin has 2 points since January and has never come close to scoring 20 goals in a season

 

[DarrylshutzSydor]

Grier is busy cleaning the wheels on his BMW, since when he was a player for the Sharks he drove the same car forever was hard on the brakes, and never cleaned his wheels....... no attention to detail.

 

[Hodge]

Kunin has 2 points since January and has never come close to scoring 20 goals in a season

He's still on a 15 goal pace this season and averaged 17 goals per 82 games in his three seasons before joining the Sharks. Don't forget that Kunin is a former 15th overall pick who has been traded for a 2nd+4th+Bonino and a 3rd in the past. The league has valued him before and interested teams will realize he's back to being the player he was in Nashville and Minnesota now that he's fully recovered from ACL surgery.

Physical forechecking wingers and right-shot PKing centers always command more than people expect at the deadline. Kunin happens to be both.

 

[weastern bias]

I also love an ineffective forechecker who is bad on the penalty kill and in the faceoff circle, can't wait to lock him down for the stretch run, please take my top-60 pick for him, I can't secure his services fast enough

What's that? He's also a defensive liability and hasn't scored a goal in over a month? Please stop, I don't want to get TOO aroused in public, let's make it a 1st rounder call it a deal

 

[OrrNumber4]

I recommend a recent article by The Athletic, which surveyed NHL agents' opinions on GMs. Grier is not really mentioned (positively or negatively).

I think this discussion about Kunin and Grier waiting for a team to meet his price is just a nod to how Grier didn't wait to trade Granlund and Ceci because Dallas met his price. It's the same with Kunin; he wants a 2nd but will settle for less at the TDL.

 

[Star Platinum]

He's still on a 15 goal pace this season and averaged 17 goals per 82 games

 

[Hodge]

I also love an ineffective forechecker who is bad on the penalty kill and in the faceoff circle, can't wait to lock him down for the stretch run, please take my top-60 pick for him, I can't secure his services fast enough

What's that? He's also a defensive liability and hasn't scored a goal in over a month? Please stop, I don't want to get TOO aroused in public, let's make it a 1st rounder call it a deal

More like "I'm the Colorado Avalanche with Joel Kiviranta on my third line and Landeskog presumed dead, might as well trade one of my two 2nd round picks to construct a fast physical Colton-Drury-Kunin line with three guys who can win a faceoff, contribute on the PK and put the puck in the net." Or "my team is coached by Craig Berube and there's no way we're going into the playoffs with Nick Robertson on our third line."

 

[Timo Time]

Luke Kunin is a 20 point center with a 44% FO rate. He also has scored a whopping, 1 goal, this calendar year.

 

[Star Platinum]

I also love an ineffective forechecker who is bad on the penalty kill and in the faceoff circle

He's 47% on the season. Not good, but not bad enough to be considered a liability.

 

[weastern bias]

He's 47% on the season. Not good, but not bad enough to be considered a liability.

Sub 50% F/O guys who are defensive liabilities are not NHL centers, especially when they provide no real offense to speak of and can't drive play

20 points is nothing in today's NHL, if you don't bring effectiveness anywhere else it means you are a sub-replacement level player

I'd be happy to take a 5th rounder for him and call it a day

 

[tiburon12]

Luke Kunin is a 20 point center with a 44% FO rate. He also has scored a whopping, 1 goal, this calendar year.

Timo meier has 1 goal this calendar year too.

 

[Star Platinum]

Sub 50% F/O guys who are defensive liabilities are not NHL centers, especially when they provide no real offense to speak of and can't drive play

I didn't mean to imply that there wasn't a long list of liabilities outside of FO%

Timo meier has 1 goal this calendar year too.

9 assists though. That's like 9 Luke Kunins in one guy.

 

[Star Platinum]

I recommend a recent article by The Athletic, which surveyed NHL agents' opinions on GMs. Grier is not really mentioned (positively or negatively).

I think this discussion about Kunin and Grier waiting for a team to meet his price is just a nod to how Grier didn't wait to trade Granlund and Ceci because Dallas met his price. It's the same with Kunin; he wants a 2nd but will settle for less at the TDL.

I wouldn't expect the GM of the team with the worst record in the NHL over the last two seasons to be highly rated by agents. We're not at all on their radar.

 

[DarrylshutzSydor]

Timo meier has 1 goal this calendar year too.

But this board swore that Meir, as well as Hertl were 1st line forwards..........funny

 

[Barrie22]

So the shark players are not only horrible at hockey, they also suck bad at curling.

 

[The Nemesis]

So the shark players are not only horrible at hockey, they also suck bad at curling.

In some fairness, curling is one of those things that's a lot harder than it looks or you'd think it would be.

 

[DG93]

I recommend a recent article by The Athletic, which surveyed NHL agents' opinions on GMs. Grier is not really mentioned (positively or negatively).

I think this discussion about Kunin and Grier waiting for a team to meet his price is just a nod to how Grier didn't wait to trade Granlund and Ceci because Dallas met his price. It's the same with Kunin; he wants a 2nd but will settle for less at the TDL.

Blackwood is another good example. I bet Ferraro is on this list too.

 

[Gecklund]

Because if you stick with your price and nobody pays it you lose Kunin for nothing. Usually bad teams will sell their pending UFAs to whomever makes the highest bid instead of losing them for nothing.

I think you’re missing the key point. We are a week away from the deadline. Every team is going to stick to their price until the last minute.

 

[STL Shark]

It is news. Because typically a bad team sells their UFAs for whatever they can get. Silly to compare that to Celebrini.

I'd say it's a good approach on Kunin, Sturm, etc. because it has less to do with the actual return as much as it does just setting up to not be runover/waited out in future negotiations.

The difference between getting a 3rd or 4th for one of those guys (or just keeping them) isn't going to be franchise altering. The important piece is not letting another GM just wait you out to the final hour and force you to take whatever they will give you because that sets precedent to do again and again.