Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[pappaf2]

For good reason. He's 21 years old and unplayable in the NHL. I have zero interest in trading significant assets for Adam Boqvist 2.0.

What makes him unplayable in the nhl?

 

[Hodge]

What makes him unplayable in the nhl?

Doesn't create nearly enough offense to compensate for being a huge defensive liability. Devils currently have Seamus Casey playing in the NHL over him so it's not a case of a coach blindly favoring veterans either.

 

[Star Platinum]

For good reason. He's 21 years old and unplayable in the NHL. I have zero interest in trading significant assets for Adam Boqvist 2.0.

 

[Hodge]

He'll be on the scrap heap soon enough. No reason to give up anything for him now. If we're trading for unproven prospects it should be the Askarov and Jiricek types who force their way out rather than the likes of Nemec and Brandt Clarke whose teams have lost faith in them despite investing significant draft capital and development time. They know their players better than anyone else.

 

[STL Shark]

Doesn't create nearly enough offense to compensate for being a huge defensive liability. Devils currently have Seamus Casey playing in the NHL over him so it's not a case of a coach blindly favoring veterans either.

Regression with a new (worse) coach isn't a reason to write him off. Played 20 mins a night last year in 60 games and looked solid for a 19 year old. New coach coupled with bad situation and struggling now. Asking price will likely be more reasonable now after this mess of a season and how NJD continues to be a puzzling and underachieving squad/organization with inept management.

 

[Star Platinum]

Regression with a new (worse) coach isn't a reason to write him off. Played 20 mins a night last year in 60 games and looked solid for a 19 year old. New coach coupled with bad situation and struggling now. Asking price will likely be more reasonable now after this mess of a season and how NJD continues to be a puzzling and underachieving squad/organization with inept management.

New Jersey is fourth in the Eastern Conference and a few points away from being second. Hard to see how they are underachieving.

 

[sampler]

Regression with a new (worse) coach isn't a reason to write him off. Played 20 mins a night last year in 60 games and looked solid for a 19 year old. New coach coupled with bad situation and struggling now. Asking price will likely be more reasonable now after this mess of a season and how NJD continues to be a puzzling and underachieving squad/organization with inept management.

I really dont see a major value in adding more unproven 20 or 21 year olds. If the asking price is crazy low, then sure, take a swing and if it fails, it fails. But right now, the priority for Grier has to be adding proven NHL Blueline talent that is 27/28 or younger. Dobson types, not so much Nemec Types.

of course, that said, if the price is low enough, then sure. I dunno how low that price would go? Dallas 1st and a prospect like musty? I might do that. Even better if the prospect is one of Gush, Cardwell, or Bordy.

Obviously, Id love to add Nemec, but I assume the asking price will be pretty high, even still.

Other than Dobson, are there any other proven top 4 D in the 22-26 year old range that are hitting the market? Miller? Byram?

 

[Juxtaposer]

He'll be on the scrap heap soon enough. No reason to give up anything for him now. If we're trading for unproven prospects it should be the Askarov and Jiricek types who force their way out rather than the likes of Nemec and Brandt Clarke whose teams have lost faith in them despite investing significant draft capital and development time. They know their players better than anyone else.

Jiricek couldn't crack the Blue Jackets and can't crack the Wild. There's no difference whatsoever between his and Nemec's performance so far.

 

[gaucholoco3]

Jiricek couldn't crack the Blue Jackets and can't crack the Wild. There's no difference whatsoever between his and Nemec's performance so far.

I would say with Nemec not having skating issues he would be more of a target than Jiricek.

 

[Hodge]

Jiricek couldn't crack the Blue Jackets and can't crack the Wild. There's no difference whatsoever between his and Nemec's performance so far.

Jiricek can be useful to a contending team even if his offense doesn't translate. Nemec will probably be a liability even if his offense translates.

 

[StanleyCup2035]

Is $13M/year for a new RW in Marner for Celebrini too much? He's a UFA...

Mitchell Marner | NHL Contracts & Salaries | Spotrac.com

Mitchell Marner signed a 6 year, $65,418,000 contract with the Toronto Maple Leafs, including $60,958,000 signing bonus, $65,418,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $10,903,000. In 2024-25, Marner will earn a base salary of $750,000 and a signing bonus of $7,250,000, while...

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[DarrylshutzSydor]

I really dont see a major value in adding more unproven 20 or 21 year olds. If the asking price is crazy low, then sure, take a swing and if it fails, it fails. But right now, the priority for Grier has to be adding proven NHL Blueline talent that is 27/28 or younger. Dobson types, not so much Nemec Types.

of course, that said, if the price is low enough, then sure. I dunno how low that price would go? Dallas 1st and a prospect like musty? I might do that. Even better if the prospect is one of Gush, Cardwell, or Bordy.

Obviously, Id love to add Nemec, but I assume the asking price will be pretty high, even still.

Other than Dobson, are there any other proven top 4 D in the 22-26 year old range that are hitting the market? Miller? Byram?

Chychrun is the best bet, and for thr rightb deal, you may be able to pry Cernak from TB

 

[Juxtaposer]

Jiricek can be useful to a contending team even if his offense doesn't translate. Nemec will probably be a liability even if his offense translates.

Yeah yeah, Jiricek big, Nemec smurf. Jiricek won't be an NHLer with his current skating ability.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Is $13M/year for a new RW in Marner for Celebrini too much? He's a UFA...

Mitchell Marner | NHL Contracts & Salaries | Spotrac.com

Mitchell Marner signed a 6 year, $65,418,000 contract with the Toronto Maple Leafs, including $60,958,000 signing bonus, $65,418,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $10,903,000. In 2024-25, Marner will earn a base salary of $750,000 and a signing bonus of $7,250,000, while...

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If that doesn't get in the way of filling the other holes that are more of a priority, I could see it. I view the two RHD vacancies and the 2C spot as more pressing positions to fill but the Sharks have a lot of cap space too and could do all that on top of Marner. I just don't see it as wise or likely.