Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[TheBeard]

You mean when he's on another team?

He won't be, but I do expect the team to really crank up the heat on developing kids. I don't think any of our free agents - Kostin, Kunin, Storm, Duehr, White are gonna be back and right now we only have 9 roster forwards signed next year and beyond, and one of them is Logan.

 

[Zarzh]

Bro, what's he supposed to do? Wennberg is hurt, and if he does what you say and puts Kunin and Goodrow on the 4th line, then we are stuck with Grundstrom and Duehr on the third line. Does that sound better? No? You would rather call up Gushchin and Bords and fire Kunin and Goodrow into the sun even though Kunin is actually having a good year and Bords and Gush are almost certainly worse than even Goodrow as hockey players right now?

Wennberg is injured. Kostin is injured. Dellandrea is a gametime decision. Smith at Center without a vet (because Toff is also a GTD) is a bad idea. Injuries suck. Roster sucks. Sucks to suck.

Kunin is not having a good year, Kunin is on pace for his 2nd worst "healthy" year.

At the very least Bordeleau or Gushchin can possess the puck and not get completely caved in and make it not dinosaur hockey to watch.

 

[CHALUPA]

At the very least Bordeleau or Gushchin can possess the puck and not get completely caved in and make it not dinosaur hockey to watch.

I don’t think Kunin is the best player in the world, but at this point I don’t think Bords are Goose have a future with this team. I’d rather they bring Cardwell up, or Poturalski as a reward for how he’s helped the AHL club

 

[Pinkfloyd]

He won't be, but I do expect the team to really crank up the heat on developing kids. I don't think any of our free agents - Kostin, Kunin, Storm, Duehr, White are gonna be back and right now we only have 9 roster forwards signed next year and beyond, and one of them is Logan.

I’d like next year’s team to be built with the intent of competing as best as possible with what’s available to the team. If there’s no cap dump swap for a player that is at least viable for their position, Goodrow should be bought out.

Our forwards going into next year should have most of the spots be filled competitively.

Eklund-Celebrini-Toffoli
Zetterlund-Wennberg-Smith
Kovalenko-???-Graf
Grundstrom-???-Dellandrea
With two extra spots to potentially push the 4th line wingers out of the lineup.

We have to spend at least 18.5 mil to get to the floor and pretty much rearrange the entire blue line to be competitive and get a vet backup for Askarov. There is probably some opportunity to address something that would let us dump Goodrow but buying him out will make the team better. He shouldn’t be here after this season.

 

[Star Platinum]

Great point. Why doesn't Barfsofsky just reach into his magical treasure chest of good players and play some of them instead?

I was told Goodrow was one of our good players. Like 2nd line on Tampa quality.

 

[Barrie22]

Truly, no better options to play in the top-9 than this guy. So glad to have him for 2.5 more years under contract.



I'd call up Andrew Poturalski at this point before playing Goodrow in the top-9.

But remember he supposedly has a 1 trillion percentile in leadership.

 

[Hodge]

I was told Goodrow was one of our good players. Like 2nd line on Tampa quality.

He used to be a good player. He's not one anymore. Still better than anyone we can call up from the Barracuda.

 

[Star Platinum]

fire Kunin and Goodrow into the sun

Before I answer, is firing Goodrow into the sun a legitimate option?

 

[Zarzh]

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I don’t think Kunin is the best player in the world, but at this point I don’t think Bords are Goose have a future with this team. I’d rather they bring Cardwell up, or Poturalski as a reward for how he’s helped the AHL club

Literally look at their possession stats. I'd rather watch a team that gets to 20 shots consistently. Poturalski has gotten beyond caved in in brief offensive roles too.

If we look at what a smart team did, Calgary got some value for Pelletier despite him passing through waivers.

 

[Le Grand Quebecois]

He won't be, but I do expect the team to really crank up the heat on developing kids. I don't think any of our free agents - Kostin, Kunin, Storm, Duehr, White are gonna be back and right now we only have 9 roster forwards signed next year and beyond, and one of them is Logan.

 

[gaucholoco3]

I’d like next year’s team to be built with the intent of competing as best as possible with what’s available to the team. If there’s no cap dump swap for a player that is at least viable for their position, Goodrow should be bought out.

Our forwards going into next year should have most of the spots be filled competitively.

Eklund-Celebrini-Toffoli
Zetterlund-Wennberg-Smith
Kovalenko-???-Graf
Grundstrom-???-Dellandrea
With two extra spots to potentially push the 4th line wingers out of the lineup.

We have to spend at least 18.5 mil to get to the floor and pretty much rearrange the entire blue line to be competitive and get a vet backup for Askarov. There is probably some opportunity to address something that would let us dump Goodrow but buying him out will make the team better. He shouldn’t be here after this season.

Buying Goodrow out to then be a cap floor team is such a dumb decision that would push the dead cap hit to years when it will actually matter.

I get he is not good but there is nothing wrong with riding out the remaining 2 years of Goodrow’s deal as he bounces between 4th line and healthy scratch. Already he has been stapled to the 4th line even amidst a bunch of injuries. Him playing 3rd line after the Granlund trade and with potential 5+ injured FWs I’d not a problem on an objectively bad team with no interest in competing.

 

[themelkman]

The smart move is to sit Goodrow and Kunin and leave their deals on the book. They dont provide any benefits on the ice, and they can do their leadership in practice and at team dinners.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Buying Goodrow out to then be a cap floor team is such a dumb decision that would push the dead cap hit to years when it will actually matter.

I get he is not good but there is nothing wrong with riding out the remaining 2 years of Goodrow’s deal as he bounces between 4th line and healthy scratch. Already he has been stapled to the 4th line even amidst a bunch of injuries. Him playing 3rd line after the Granlund trade and with potential 5+ injured FWs I’d not a problem on an objectively bad team with no interest in competing.

It’s 833k for the years that matter when the cap is 113.5 mil. That concern is actually quite minimal. Teams like ours will still have to occasionally accept dead money to get past mistakes made.

There is something wrong with riding out Goodrow’s contract as a 4th liner or extra and it’s that he doesn’t pull his weight and we have better options for 4th liners and extras that there’s no benefit to keeping him.

I don’t have a problem with Goodrow finishing the season but if we’re trying to be serious about competing, he’s not on this roster next year and neither is Vlasic. We already have extras that aren’t expensive to fill that spot next year with guys like Grundstrom and Dellandrea up front and Thrun on the back. We can afford to cut the fat here and put it towards actual NHL caliber depth.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

The smart move is to sit Goodrow and Kunin and leave their deals on the book. They dont provide any benefits on the ice, and they can do their leadership in practice and at team dinners.

They don’t need to sit the rest of this season. Kunin might find a spot before the deadline. Goodrow can play out this season but next year should be a real attempt at making the Sharks a competitive team by getting rid of net negative players and bring in competent depth players.

 

[TheBeard]

Before I answer, is firing Goodrow into the sun a legitimate option?

I honestly haven’t kept up with any amendments made by the NHLPA.

They don’t need to sit the rest of this season. Kunin might find a spot before the deadline. Goodrow can play out this season but next year should be a real attempt at making the Sharks a competitive team by getting rid of net negative players and bring in competent depth players.

I don’t see the point of adding extra cap to the books in three years for a year we’re still not going to be competitive.

 

[Lebanezer]

He won't be, but I do expect the team to really crank up the heat on developing kids. I don't think any of our free agents - Kostin, Kunin, Storm, Duehr, White are gonna be back and right now we only have 9 roster forwards signed next year and beyond, and one of them is Logan.

Trying to speak things into existence. I'm going to the game tomorrow, I'm gonna count how many times he handles the puck and see if he touches it more than whichever goalie starts. Saves don't count.

 

[Star Platinum]

He used to be a good player. He's not one anymore.

Fair enough.

 

[gaucholoco3]

It’s 833k for the years that matter when the cap is 113.5 mil. That concern is actually quite minimal. Teams like ours will still have to occasionally accept dead money to get past mistakes made.

There is something wrong with riding out Goodrow’s contract as a 4th liner or extra and it’s that he doesn’t pull his weight and we have better options for 4th liners and extras that there’s no benefit to keeping him.

I don’t have a problem with Goodrow finishing the season but if we’re trying to be serious about competing, he’s not on this roster next year and neither is Vlasic. We already have extras that aren’t expensive to fill that spot next year with guys like Grundstrom and Dellandrea up front and Thrun on the back. We can afford to cut the fat here and put it towards actual NHL caliber depth.

Goodrow has absolutely zero baring on if the Sharks will field a competitive roster next year. It will be virtually impossible for the Sharks to spend to the cap and if they are that serious about competing just waive him and let him play in the AHL instead of a pointless buyout to create cap space that is not needed.

 

[TheBeard]

Trying to speak things into existence. I'm going to the game tomorrow, I'm gonna count how many times he handles the puck and see if he touches it more than whichever goalie starts. Saves don't count.

Who, Goodrow?

Goodrow has absolutely zero baring on if the Sharks will field a competitive roster next year. It will be virtually impossible for the Sharks to spend to the cap and if they are that serious about competing just waive him and let him play in the AHL instead of a pointless buyout to create cap space that is not needed.

I wonder if there’s a chance he’d mutually terminate his contract?

 

[coooldude]

Kunin is not having a good year, Kunin is on pace for his 2nd worst "healthy" year.

You mean by PPG or something? where are you pulling these numbers? I'm going to assume you mean by PPG, and sure, he had nearly 0.5ppg in 2020-21. But 2022 wasn't good, then he got injured, and looked cooked. Now he's tied last year's point totals after 54 games and he's playing decent 3rd line hockey, especially given how god-awful the team is. Goodrow and Kunin are often lumped together but they really shouldn't be. Goodrow is bottom of the entire league. Kunin is simply a replacement level 3rd liner on an average/bad team and a 4th liner on a good team.

At the very least Bordeleau or Gushchin can possess the puck and not get completely caved in and make it not dinosaur hockey to watch.

Bordeleau and Gushchin have good possession numbers in the NHL? News to the NHL.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I don’t see the point of adding extra cap to the books in three years for a year we’re still not going to be competitive.

Just because we might not be competitive doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be taking steps to try. There will be more young players even at Goodrow’s spot in the lineup and they need actual help to succeed that Goodrow won’t provide.

Goodrow has absolutely zero baring on if the Sharks will field a competitive roster next year. It will be virtually impossible for the Sharks to spend to the cap and if they are that serious about competing just waive him and let him play in the AHL instead of a pointless buyout to create cap space that is not needed.

That premise is pretty obviously false. Every player with a roster spot has an impact on how competitive the team can be. As for the AHL, that’s still dead money so what does it matter if he plays it out in the minors or gets bought out?

 

[Zarzh]

You mean by PPG or something? where are you pulling these numbers? I'm going to assume you mean by PPG, and sure, he had nearly 0.5ppg in 2020-21. But 2022 wasn't good, then he got injured, and looked cooked. Now he's tied last year's point totals after 54 games and he's playing decent 3rd line hockey, especially given how god-awful the team is. Goodrow and Kunin are often lumped together but they really shouldn't be. Goodrow is bottom of the entire league. Kunin is simply a replacement level 3rd liner on an average/bad team and a 4th liner on a good team.

Bordeleau and Gushchin have good possession numbers in the NHL? News to the NHL.

They're lumped together because they're both extreme possession anchors.

Gushchin without Kunin had decent possession numbers this year, even with Goodrow.

 

[Anomie2029]

Me: Kunin and Goodrow being on the same line has been horrific all season and is objectively the worst line in the NHL. They shouldn’t be put together.

Smooth brains in this forum: wHo eLSe cAN He uSe?

Seriously, I’m resigned to the fact that Goodrow is going to be in the lineup despite a historically bad season - but here’s a thought: Goodrow and Kunin on different lines! *pretends to be shocked*.

It’s the Ferraro-Rutta shit all over again. Two players are awful together - they shouldn’t be together. It’s simple.

 

[coooldude]

Me: Kunin and Goodrow being on the same line has been horrific all season and is objectively the worst line in the NHL. They shouldn’t be put together.

Smooth brains in this forum: wHo eLSe cAN He uSe?

Seriously, I’m resigned to the fact that Goodrow is going to be in the lineup despite a historically bad season - but here’s a thought: Goodrow and Kunin on different lines! *pretends to be shocked*.

It’s the Ferraro-Rutta shit all over again. Two players are awful together - they shouldn’t be together. It’s simple.

No, you are.

 

[Cas]

Me: Kunin and Goodrow being on the same line has been horrific all season and is objectively the worst line in the NHL. They shouldn’t be put together.

Smooth brains in this forum: wHo eLSe cAN He uSe?

Seriously, I’m resigned to the fact that Goodrow is going to be in the lineup despite a historically bad season - but here’s a thought: Goodrow and Kunin on different lines! *pretends to be shocked*.

It’s the Ferraro-Rutta shit all over again. Two players are awful together - they shouldn’t be together. It’s simple.

I'd happily waive Goodrow (and Kunin, if I'm being perfectly honest - he is what he is and that is bad), but I also know that's not going to happen.