Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

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It feels like Davidson got out of Hall's contract and was paid a 3rd to do so...

If Morgan Rielly becomes available, should the Sharks pursue? He's having a bad season, but isn't exactly old...could be a strong bounce-back candidate.
 
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I’d rather bring back Karlsson than go get Morgan Riley.
Griers rebuild hasn’t impressed you?
Grier has been a B+. Getting out of Karlsson’s contract with the return he got, the return on the Meier trade, and Askarov acquisition were great.

Picking up Goodrow on waivers was ridiculous then and ridiculous now.
 
I’d rather bring back Karlsson than go get Morgan Riley.

Grier has been a B+. Getting out of Karlsson’s contract with the return he got, the return on the Meier trade, and Askarov acquisition were great.

Picking up Goodrow on waivers was ridiculous then and ridiculous now.
This is like saying "the house is well built and the location is excellent but I don't like the trim on the windows." No GM bats 1.000 and all the big moves, IMHO the ones that matter, have proven to be exceptional over time except for his first two, the draft trade down and Burns, which both look like mediocre moves.

Moves like Zadina, Kostin, Goodrow, Sturm, etc. Are basically marginal moves where some will pan out and some won't, unless the GM is terrible and misses on all of them, in which case it's not good. But so far, that's not Grier.
 
Grier’s accelerated rebuild has been impressive enough, considering the absolutely bare cupboard Wilson left him with. It’s only been year 3 and he has acquired elite players at every important position, and is stockpiling much more every draft. Plus he is savvy enough to trade for elite prospects like Askarov when the opportunity presents itself. We just need to give him more time to cook and trust in the process. This team more be absolutely loaded at the end of the rebuild, which should be after year five or so.
 
This is like saying "the house is well built and the location is excellent but I don't like the trim on the windows." No GM bats 1.000 and all the big moves, IMHO the ones that matter, have proven to be exceptional over time except for his first two, the draft trade down and Burns, which both look like mediocre moves.

Moves like Zadina, Kostin, Goodrow, Sturm, etc. Are basically marginal moves where some will pan out and some won't, unless the GM is terrible and misses on all of them, in which case it's not good. But so far, that's not Grier.
The trade down wasn't even a bad move. None of the players drafted 11th-26th in that draft look like they're on track to become top half of the lineup players.
 
You can’t keep saying stuff like this and dodging the age question. (Similarly, you can’t keep saying Smurf and then dodging the height question, but we can deal with that some other time). How old are you?
Why? I'm not saying smurfs and millennials should be thrown in jail. I just don't want them playing or making decisions for my team, respectively.

Smurf-filled teams don't win in the playoffs and as for the millennial thing I think Davidson, Dubas and DW Jr's track records speak for themselves.
 
Why? I'm not saying smurfs and millennials should be thrown in jail. I just don't want them playing or making decisions for my team, respectively.

Smurf-filled teams don't win in the playoffs and as for the millennial thing I think Davidson, Dubas and DW Jr's track records speak for themselves.

Just because this kind of selective logic drives me absolutely up the wall — are there no boomer GMs that were bad at their jobs? Or any millennials that are good at theirs? I know this is like arguing with a particularly stubborn wall (ie a boomer) but using 3 samples to support your own biases is lazy and boring.
 
Just because this kind of selective logic drives me absolutely up the wall — are there no boomer GMs that were bad at their jobs? Or any millennials that are good at theirs? I know this is like arguing with a particularly stubborn wall (ie a boomer) but using 3 samples to support your own biases is lazy and boring.
Of course there are/were bad boomer GMs but there have also been good ones. Every single millennial who has risen to the top of a NHL front office has proven to be a complete dumbass.
 
Of course there are/were bad boomer GMs but there have also been good ones. Every single millennial who has risen to the top of a NHL front office has proven to be a complete dumbass.
To be fair, as an elder millennial who is only 40, there haven't been many millennials in GM roles. The problem might be that the ones who did get a chance were "wunderkinds" who were elevated too quickly without the requisite experience. It's probably less about a generational thing and more about promoting unqualified individuals. For example I doubt that in 15-20 years "millennials" writ large will continue to have a bad track record as GMs.
 
To be fair, as an elder millennial who is only 40, there haven't been many millennials in GM roles. The problem might be that the ones who did get a chance were "wunderkinds" who were elevated too quickly without the requisite experience. It's probably less about a generational thing and more about promoting unqualified individuals. For example I doubt that in 15-20 years "millennials" writ large will continue to have a bad track record as GMs.
Yeah in fairness there are probably some active/recently retired millennial NHL players who would make great GMs but the current ones are bullshit artists and con men.
 
I like some moves and then hate others. His overall vision is pretty great but he just makes these weird awful moves that make me question his talent evaluation
Essentially the move that has people the most angry is the Goodrow trade, and frankly, as lousy as he's been he cost nothing in terms of trade value and his cap hit isn't exactly preventing the team from making further moves since we're so far under the ceiling.
 
It’s a little sad, purely from an entertainment standpoint, that we don’t really have the assets to make an interesting deal this trade deadline. Like I’m sure we’ll trade guys and get a smattering of 2nd-5th round picks, maybe even a prospect or two that, if you squint, may have some potential, but no shock Askarov trade, no last minute Hertl trades.

I’m not saying it’s a bad thing, just purely from an entertainment standpoint.
 
Essentially the move that has people the most angry is the Goodrow trade, and frankly, as lousy as he's been he cost nothing in terms of trade value and his cap hit isn't exactly preventing the team from making further moves since we're so far under the ceiling.
I agree with this completely. As bad as Goodrow is he is not doing any harm to the team. He is good on the PK and has now for almost a month been exclusively on the 4th line. He is no longer dragging down Smith or Celebrini. They will not need his cap space before his contract is up. He might even have positive value his final year if the cap goes up as much as it is reported to go up.
 

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