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Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

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Pinkfloyd said:
I would be fine with moving Ferraro if it returns a 1st round pick but I don't know that he's worth that on the trade market currently. As for Ceci, I'd be surprised if he actually wanted to re-sign but I wouldn't care if he did or not. I'd move him for a 3rd rounder and get what's in free agency.
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Ceci reportedly wants to stay: https://www.mercurynews.com/2025/01...y-ceci-says-he-wants-to-stay-in-san-jose/amp/

And I’d ship out Ferraro for a 3rd at this point, but I’m probably in the minority on that.
 
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The problem with trading Ferraro is that Thrun and Mukhamadullin have shown nothing to indicate they're ready for top 4 minutes.

So you trade Ferraro for a 2nd round pick and are then forced to trade for a replacement or overpay one in free agency.
 
Hodge said:
The problem with trading Ferraro is that Thrun and Mukhamadullin have shown nothing to indicate they're ready for top 4 minutes.

So you trade Ferraro for a 2nd round pick and are then forced to trade for a replacement or overpay one in free agency.
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I'd honestly rather overpay someone in free agency if it came to it.
 
Pinkfloyd said:
I'd honestly rather overpay someone in free agency if it came to it.
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It's not just the overpayment in AAV but in term. We will probably be forced to offer 5+ years to have any chance of landing a suitable Ferraro replacement. And that's in addition to needing to replace/upgrade Ceci and Rutta.

Unless another team offers something crazy like a 1st + a decent young player, it makes way more sense to just keep Ferraro for another year then deal him at the 2026 deadline when we'll have a much better idea of what Thrun, Mukhamadullin and Dickinson project to be.
 
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Hodge said:
It's not just the overpayment in AAV but in term. We will probably be forced to offer 5+ years to have any chance of landing a suitable Ferraro replacement. And that's in addition to needing to replace/upgrade Ceci and Rutta.

Unless another team offers something crazy like a 1st + a decent young player, it makes way more sense to just keep Ferraro for another year then deal him at the 2026 deadline when we'll have a much better idea of what Thrun, Mukhamadullin and Dickinson project to be.
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I think they should be fine doing that. I'd get a return on Ferraro and go out and sign Marcus Pettersson. Go out and upgrade on Ceci and Rutta with someone like Johnathan Kovacevic or Neal Pionk or Dante Fabbro. If it takes 4-6 years to get any of them, it's fine by me.
 
Hodge said:
The problem with trading Ferraro is that Thrun and Mukhamadullin have shown nothing to indicate they're ready for top 4 minutes.

So you trade Ferraro for a 2nd round pick and are then forced to trade for a replacement or overpay one in free agency.
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I would argue they should be bringing in a top pair defenseman if able anyway, which would push Walman into the 2nd pair LD spot (ie Ferraro's current spot) where he belongs.
 
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Hodge said:
The problem with trading Ferraro is that Thrun and Mukhamadullin have shown nothing to indicate they're ready for top 4 minutes.

So you trade Ferraro for a 2nd round pick and are then forced to trade for a replacement or overpay one in free agency.
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As we saw with Walman last year, it is pretty easy to acquire #4 type LHD. You may even get lucky and draft Schaefer and be set and ready to go there before UFA even hits.

Only way you should even worry about the Ferraro replacement is if you're planning to sign him long-term if you don't trade him. I don't think anyone here finds that to be advisable, so it's pretty much a moot point worrying about who will be the 2nd pairing LD on a team that projects to be in the bottom 10 of the league again.

If you're looking to get outside of the bottom 10, you have to upgrade from Ferraro regardless. So all comes back to being a point not worth worrying about. Take your pick(s) for him and reinvest into the defense when you have a bit of clarity on the draft.
 
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Estimated Trade Values for the TDL:

Ferraro - 2nd + 3rd (using Dillon trade as comp - Ferraro not as big, but cheaper % of cap and extra year of term - both are 4/5 types).

Granlund - 2nd + 3rd (maybe WPG gets desperate and offers a 1st to help their top 6, but think 2nd+ is a more likely deal)

Kunin - Not dealt and re-signed for 3 years. Market probably doesn't yield a meaningful enough return to justify moving him.

Ceci - 2nd (we give back a 5th or something in the process).

Rutta - Probably hold onto him rather than take a 6th or something for him. Need a 3rd to justify moving him given our RHD group would be down to nothing for the final 6 weeks of the season. Not that we need to win, but still development time for the rest of the group.
 
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STL Shark said:
As we saw with Walman last year, it is pretty easy to acquire #4 type LHD. You may even get lucky and draft Schaefer and be set and ready to go there before UFA even hits.

Only way you should even worry about the Ferraro replacement is if you're planning to sign him long-term if you don't trade him. I don't think anyone here finds that to be advisable, so it's pretty much a moot point worrying about who will be the 2nd pairing LD on a team that projects to be in the bottom 10 of the league again.

If you're looking to get outside of the bottom 10, you have to upgrade from Ferraro regardless. So all comes back to being a point not worth worrying about. Take your pick(s) for him and reinvest into the defense when you have a bit of clarity on the draft.
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Schaefer will still be 17 when training camp opens. I don't think you can count on him immediately making the NHL, certainly not in a top 4 role.

Keeping Ferraro for another season won't affect the trade return and gives us a bridge to 2026-27 when hopefully 1-2 of Dickinson, Mukhamadullin, Thrun and potentially Schaefer are ready for full time roles on the left side. If none of them are ready by then, that's the time to go out and sign or trade for a top 4 defenseman or even extend Ferraro.

It doesn't make sense to offer crazy contracts to Pettersson or Chychrun or Ekblad or whoever else in free agency when the team is so far away from competing. It probably won't even work considering we're one of the least desirable destinations right now and 20+ teams will be competing for these guys.
 
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STL Shark said:
Estimated Trade Values for the TDL:

Ferraro - 2nd + 3rd (using Dillon trade as comp - Ferraro not as big, but cheaper % of cap and extra year of term - both are 4/5 types).

Granlund - 2nd + 3rd (maybe WPG gets desperate and offers a 1st to help their top 6, but think 2nd+ is a more likely deal)

Kunin - Not dealt and re-signed for 3 years. Market probably doesn't yield a meaningful enough return to justify moving him.

Ceci - 2nd (we give back a 5th or something in the process).

Rutta - Probably hold onto him rather than take a 6th or something for him. Need a 3rd to justify moving him given our RHD group would be down to nothing for the final 6 weeks of the season. Not that we need to win, but still development time for the rest of the group.
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I'd be surprised if at least one of the Ferraro and Granlund deals didn't return a cap dump that we could use the rest of the way. Winnipeg, for example, has Dylan Coghlan that could be a throw-in we could use in our lineup if we find a taker for Rutta.
 
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Sharksfan66 said:
Strange that none of these lists are mentioning Granlund. Is his stock around the league that low?
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He’s not really the type of player contenders value come playoff time. He really lacks size and they also probably think his stock is high due to the opportunity/ice time he is getting in San Jose where he would be getting 2nd/3rd line minutes on a contender, can he fill that role in the playoff atmosphere?

Also we thought Granlund might be one of the top Centers at the TDL in a thin market but with the emergence of Miller/Pettersen, Nelson, and Gourde there are better options. Going to have to wait for teams to miss out on those first before they are desperate and come for Granlund, Grier has to wait until those dominoes fall.

Or maybe he’s low on all these lists because there are no rumours out there as all they are hearing is SJ wants to keep and extend him.
 
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