Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[Juxtaposer]

Yes, I'm sure it was possible to spend the 2011 equivalent of $16.5M on bottom-six forwards. Whyever didn't Wilson sign Alex Wennberg for the 2011 equivalent of $5M and pick up $3.64M Barclay Goodrow off of waivers?

Not excusing Wilson's shortcomings but it's insane to act like building a good bottom-six on a contender is the same as building one on a bottom-feeder.

 

[OrrNumber4]

Yes, I'm sure it was possible to spend the 2011 equivalent of $16.5M on bottom-six forwards. Whyever didn't Wilson sign Alex Wennberg for the 2011 equivalent of $5M and pick up $3.64M Barclay Goodrow off of waivers?

Not excusing Wilson's shortcomings but it's insane to act like building a good bottom-six on a contender is the same as building one on a bottom-feeder.

Well said!

Now, of course DW occasionally did go for depth: Donskoi, Sorensen, Goodrow, Nichol, Ward, Boedker, Handzus, Burish, Grier, Malhotra, Sheppard, Kennedy, Moore, Langfeld, Moen...it rarely worked out and that's on him.

 

[mogambomoroo]

Yes, I'm sure it was possible to spend the 2011 equivalent of $16.5M on bottom-six forwards. Whyever didn't Wilson sign Alex Wennberg for the 2011 equivalent of $5M and pick up $3.64M Barclay Goodrow off of waivers?

Not excusing Wilson's shortcomings but it's insane to act like building a good bottom-six on a contender is the same as building one on a bottom-feeder.

Yep I would agree with this. It's totally different to build a bottom 6 well when you have most of the players in the top 6 and top 4 D + your starter signed to real NHL contracts.
We'll ultimately see how MG does when Celebrini, Smith, Eklund, Zetts, Dickinson and Askarov sign their first real NHL money contracts.

 

[TheBeard]

Well said!

Now, of course DW occasionally did go for depth: Donskoi, Sorensen, Goodrow, Nichol, Ward, Boedker, Handzus, Burish, Grier, Malhotra, Sheppard, Kennedy, Moore, Langfeld, Moen...it rarely worked out and that's on him.

Yep. If you’re a contender you’re already pretty close to cap so you need basically everyone on your bottom 6 to exceed the value of their AAV. I don’t think any of ours are.

 

[Jargon]

Yep. If you’re a contender you’re already pretty close to cap so you need basically everyone on your bottom 6 to exceed the value of their AAV. I don’t think any of ours are.

Donskoi, Nichol, Malhotra wasn’t bad. It did feel like DW’s luck with big trades was evened out by bad luck with the guys he brought in not working out at all.

 

[Star Platinum]

Yes, I'm sure it was possible to spend the 2011 equivalent of $16.5M on bottom-six forwards. Whyever didn't Wilson sign Alex Wennberg for the 2011 equivalent of $5M and pick up $3.64M Barclay Goodrow off of waivers?

Not excusing Wilson's shortcomings but it's insane to act like building a good bottom-six on a contender is the same as building one on a bottom-feeder.

Being good at drafting is how you build out a bottom 6 on the cheap.

 

[OrrNumber4]

Being good at drafting is how you build out a bottom 6 on the cheap.

Yes. Part of DW's issue was trading so many picks for immediate help. That, plus a see-sawing of the vision

 

[Shark Finn]

Being good at drafting is how you build out a bottom 6 on the cheap.

Yes. Part of DW's issue was trading so many picks for immediate help. That, plus a see-sawing of the vision

This is what I've been thinking for a while and it's so important that even a part of those players who are not our top prospects make the NHL and contribute.

 

[LilLeeroy]

Yes. Part of DW's issue was trading so many picks for immediate help. That, plus a see-sawing of the vision

Hiring your incompetent party boy son to the most important position in the organization doesn't help either

 

[Alaskanice]

Being good at drafting is how you build out a bottom 6 on the cheap.

That was his way of making the Sharks relevant. He was also trying to keep interest in this sports hungry Bay Area that had the Niners, the Warriors, the Giants, the Athletics and the Raiders.
He put this team into the playoffs and filled that arena for years on end.
His job was much more than some are giving him credit for.

 

[LilLeeroy]

That was his way of making the Sharks relevant. He was also trying to keep interest in this sports hungry Bay Area that had the Niners, the Warriors, the Giants, the Athletics and the Raiders.
He put this team into the playoffs and filled that arena for years on end.
His job was much more than some are giving him credit for.

He had a team that was capable of making the playoffs in a league where half the teams do it after getting lucky by being the person who just happened to call when another team was giving away an MVP player.

 

[coooldude]

Line combos this morning look good to me.

 

[Star Platinum]

Line combos this morning look good to me.

That second line is exactly what I want to see going forward

 

[MackAttack71]

That second line is exactly what I want to see going forward

This!

 

[hohosaregood]

That second line is exactly what I want to see going forward

On paper it seems good but I don't think the puck retrieval is there unfortunately.

 

[fasterthanlight]

Line combos this morning look good to me.

I am very happy to see these lines, I hope when goodrow comes back they don't staple him to celebrini again

 

[Jargon]

Line combos this morning look good to me.

Okay, I love these lines. That 3rd one will look better when Wennberg comes back too.

 

[fasterthanlight]

2024:

desired milestones:
- develop celebrini+smith+asky+muk
- top 4 pick
- trade granlund, blackwood for picks
- burn a year of couture/burns/vlasic/karlsson/hertl/jones/goodrow
- have fun

2025 (climb out of basement year):

eklund - celebrini - zetterlund
toffoli - smith - ???
wennberg/cardwell/Bordeleau/Goose/??

could crack? Bystedt/musty/Halttunen
long shot? Chernyshov

walman - ???
ferraro - lil
thrun/muk/dickinson/cag/thompson

asky
???

desired milestones:
- develop dickinson+cagnoni+musty+bystadt
- top 15 pick, or even squeak into ploffs?
- sign a 2nd line center or w who is a bit more veteran but not like 37 (Bennett ?)
- sign a top 4 d?
- have fun

 

[Jargon]

2024:

desired milestones:
- develop celebrini+smith+asky+muk
- top 4 pick
- trade granlund, blackwood for picks
- burn a year of couture/burns/vlasic/karlsson/hertl/jones/goodrow
- have fun

2025 (climb out of basement year):

eklund - celebrini - zetterlund
toffoli - ??? - smith
wennberg/cardwell/Bordeleau/Goose/??

could crack? Bystedt/musty/Halttunen
long shot? Chernyshov

walman - ???
ferraro - lil
thrun/muk/dickinson/cag/thompson

asky
???

desired milestones:
- develop dickinson+cagnoni+musty+bystadt
- top 15 pick, or even squeak into ploffs?
- sign a 2nd line center who is a bit more veteran but not like 37 (Bennett ?)
- sign a top 4 d?
- have fun

I’d like Smith to become a center as a milestone.

 

[Alaskanice]

He had a team that was capable of making the playoffs in a league where half the teams do it after getting lucky by being the person who just happened to call when another team was giving away an MVP player.

If you can’t recognize and give props to DW, that’s your choice. I see him for the great things he did here. It’s about the totality not the last thing he did.

 

[fasterthanlight]

I’d like Smith to become a center as a milestone.

Fixed!

 

[Barrie22]

I won't get excited for that smith line, last time he practiced with one of toffoli or Granlund he had his development day the next game and then went back to playing with sturm and goodrow.

 

[mogambomoroo]

2024:

desired milestones:
- develop celebrini+smith+asky+muk
- top 4 pick
- trade granlund, blackwood for picks
- burn a year of couture/burns/vlasic/karlsson/hertl/jones/goodrow
- have fun

2025 (climb out of basement year):

eklund - celebrini - zetterlund
toffoli - smith - ???
wennberg/cardwell/Bordeleau/Goose/??

could crack? Bystedt/musty/Halttunen
long shot? Chernyshov

walman - ???
ferraro - lil
thrun/muk/dickinson/cag/thompson

asky
???

desired milestones:
- develop dickinson+cagnoni+musty+bystadt
- top 15 pick, or even squeak into ploffs?
- sign a 2nd line center or w who is a bit more veteran but not like 37 (Bennett ?)
- sign a top 4 d?
- have fun

I think Bennett could be a good addition for that 2nd line, as C/W. He can do both and help Smith with his physical play.

 

[OrrNumber4]

I think that between now and the start of the 2026-2027 season, the Sharks will be looking to acquire a top-tier defenseman...or one who is developing into one.

I'd imagine that a playoff version of this team will only have Walman, Liljegren, and Thrun on the team, at best in middle-pairing roles.

 

[LilLeeroy]

If you can’t recognize and give props to DW, that’s your choice. I see him for the great things he did here. It’s about the totality not the last thing he did.

Some Sharks fans wholeheartedly loving DW is honestly one of the of the stranger things in sports imo. There are a lot of GMs with much bigger successes, and ones that did a lot less damage, that are absolutely despised by their former fanbases.

The totality is a guy that even with some lucky breaks was unable to ever build a team that won anything due to his own failures

And a guy who left the team in an absolute mess while he was trying to set up his loser son to take over for him.