Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[Jargon]

I actually don't know that it would. Jiricek hasn't exactly been great in the NHL, and if there's stuff going on behind the scenes like his agent forcing CBJ to keep him in the NHL instead of letting him play in the AHL or he's got a questionable attitude or simply isn't hitting the gym like he should, then I don't think he's worth anything close to Eklund.

I really loved Jiricek in his draft year (I ranked him 3rd overall), and if he were to become available then I would obviously be interested, but I actually had more interest when we had Hertl, a gym rat countryman and family man, who would have been an awesome mentor.

I agree, draft pedigree aside, he hasn’t really proven anything at the NHL level and I think his value is probably at its lowest right now. I do wonder if Musty + 2nd + a throw in “pretty good prospect” (Lund?) might work. Maybe not even that much, not sure. I think, like you said, it also depends on what’s going on behind the scenes.

He’s a worthy gamble though.

 

[Gecklund]

I agree, draft pedigree aside, he hasn’t really proven anything at the NHL level and I think his value is probably at its lowest right now. I do wonder if Musty + 2nd + a throw in “pretty good prospect” (Lund?) might work. Maybe not even that much, not sure. I think, like you said, it also depends on what’s going on behind the scenes.

He’s a worthy gamble though.

I mean Askarov hasn’t done anything at the NHL level and he cost Edstrom and a first. You could probably argue that Musty and a 2nd is similar value but I’m also not so sure about that. Add in the fact he’s a young RHD that hasn’t asked for a trade, think you’re paying more than that.

 

[Juxtaposer]

I mean Askarov hasn’t done anything at the NHL level and he cost Edstrom and a first. You could probably argue that Musty and a 2nd is similar value but I’m also not so sure about that. Add in the fact he’s a young RHD that hasn’t asked for a trade, think you’re paying more than that.

Askarov hasn't been given the chance to succeed in the NHL. I have literally zero doubt he'll succeed at the NHL level.

Meanwhile Jiricek has had 48 NHL games and can't crack the lineup of a horrible NHL team. The Jackets literally claimed Fabbro off waivers to play ahead of him.

Jiricek has a ton of risk to him. I think he's worth pursuing because of the upside, but I don't think he's got the same value as he did a year ago.

 

[Gecklund]

Askarov hasn't been given the chance to succeed in the NHL. I have literally zero doubt he'll succeed at the NHL level.

Meanwhile Jiricek has had 48 NHL games and can't crack the lineup of a horrible NHL team. The Jackets literally claimed Fabbro off waivers to play ahead of him.

Jiricek has a ton of risk to him. I think he's worth pursuing because of the upside, but I don't think he's got the same value as he did a year ago.

I mean I don’t think you’re wrong about Askarov at all and yes Jiricek has risk and while he might not have the value he had last year to us, I think you’d hear CBJ say differently. Friedman put it best yesterday on his podcast. He basically said something along the lines of he’s a 21 year old RHD that was drafted early, those aren’t available often. Basically long story short, I think at this moment, CBJ isn’t moving Jiricek for the likes of Musty and a 2nd.

 

[Juxtaposer]

I mean I don’t think you’re wrong about Askarov at all and yes Jiricek has risk and while he might not have the value he had last year to us, I think you’d hear CBJ say differently. Friedman put it best yesterday on his podcast. He basically said something along the lines of he’s a 21 year old RHD that was drafted early, those aren’t available often. Basically long story short, I think at this moment, CBJ isn’t moving Jiricek for the likes of Musty and a 2nd.

I have faith that the trade request is coming.

 

[Gecklund]

I have faith that the trade request is coming.

With Allan Walsh as his agent, probably.

 

[wickedwitch]

He's "worth" what others are willing to pay. I think someone (possibly even the Sharks) will likely pay more than Musty + 2nd. So unless they really love Musty, I don't think it would be enough.

 

[Gecklund]

He's "worth" what others are willing to pay. I think someone (possibly even the Sharks) will likely pay more than Musty + 2nd. So unless they really love Musty, I don't think it would be enough.

That’s not quite right. He’s worth what CBJ will sell him for.

 

[Xirik]

as a Mukhamadullin fan can you guys please tell nurse Joy to heal him faster?

Muk needs to be unleashed!

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

as a Mukhamadullin fan can you guys please tell nurse Joy to heal him faster?

Muk needs to be unleashed!

the Bay Area is the land of unemotional techbros, there are no nurses here

 

[Patty Ice]

Rangers fans on the main board seemed to like my proposal of our '25 2nd, Ferraro and either Musty or Bystedt for K'Andre Miller and Jacob Trouba.

I just read that thread and saw that someone suggested Bordeleau instead of Musty and then you came back with Bystedt.

You are doing it all wrong.

 

[Hodge]

I just read that thread and saw that someone suggested Bordeleau instead of Musty and then you came back with Bystedt.

You are doing it all wrong.

2nd+Bordeleau+Ferraro for Miller+Trouba seems way too lopsided in our favor. Bords and Ferraro have close to zero trade value at this point.

 

[Patty Ice]

2nd+Bordeleau+Ferraro for Miller+Trouba seems way too lopsided in our favor. Bords and Ferraro have close to zero trade value at this point.

Yea but we both know it's a fantasy trade anyways so it doesn't need to be fair if they are lowering the price.

It's like demanding to pay full price when the seller is giving you a 50% discount.

 

[weastern bias]

as a Mukhamadullin fan can you guys please tell nurse Joy to heal him faster?

Muk needs to be unleashed!

the Bay Area is the land of unemotional techbros, there are no nurses here

 

[LadyStanley]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1858349385316438318

Next injury call up?

 

[tiburon12]

Askarov hasn't been given the chance to succeed in the NHL. I have literally zero doubt he'll succeed at the NHL level.

Meanwhile Jiricek has had 48 NHL games and can't crack the lineup of a horrible NHL team. The Jackets literally claimed Fabbro off waivers to play ahead of him.

Jiricek has a ton of risk to him. I think he's worth pursuing because of the upside, but I don't think he's got the same value as he did a year ago.

General Q following this up - how much of this is CBJ's failure in development? The org has a pretty awful track record of developing real NHL defenseman. Werenski and Gavrikov are like their only above-replacement level dmen they've developed in the last 10 years. You could argue they ruined Boqvist too.

I feel bad for those fans

 

[Juxtaposer]

General Q following this up - how much of this is CBJ's failure in development? The org has a pretty awful track record of developing real NHL defenseman. Werenski and Gavrikov are like their only above-replacement level dmen they've developed in the last 10 years. You could argue they ruined Boqvist too.

I feel bad for those fans

I don't think either side is blameless. I think that Jiricek had such a successful 19 year old season in the AHL that he and his camp think he's 'graduated' from the AHL. Obviously, the Jackets don't think that.

Jiricek's comment last season about "Nemec and Korchinski from my draft year get NHL PP time but I don't" reeks of entitlement, and gets funnier when Korchinski and Nemec are now in the AHL this season and Jiricek isn't. I don't know if that comment was Allen Walsh in his ear or an overbearing father or whatever, but I think CBJ/their fans are right to be ticked by that comment. At the same time, the Jackets haven't exactly put him in a position to succeed. Signing Jack Johnson and then being like "sorry, there's just no NHL minutes to spare for you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯" isn't a good look. At the same time, if Jiricek's camp has basically said that they won't report to the AHL but he hasn't played well in his NHL minutes, then their hands are kind of tied.

I think Columbus is a very bad team that is genuinely trying to win, which is a horrible environment for a 21 year old offensive-leaning defenseman to be in. Tirefire of a situation that both parties are ladling gasoline onto every chance they get. Basically, I don't think Jiricek is ever going to shine in Columbus at this point; Werenski is signed long-term and the org seems to favor Mateychuk, so a top-4 offensive role seems somewhat out of reach. It's just going to be a matter of whether Columbus is willing to cut their losses or if they see Jiricek as a sunk cost and want to torpedo his career out of spite IMO.

 

[Hodge]

Yea but we both know it's a fantasy trade anyways so it doesn't need to be fair if they are lowering the price.

It's like demanding to pay full price when the seller is giving you a 50% discount.

I did say I wouldn't give up Bystedt in that deal.

 

[jMoneyBrah]

I just want to go on record to say that my offseason fever dream of throwing all the monies at Stamkos on a 2-3 year deal… has proven to be a terrible terrible idea.

We can all, as I do, appreciate that my ideas go no further than these forums.

 

[Patty Ice]

I did say I wouldn't give up Bystedt in that deal.

I know but he was asking for Bordeleau instead of Musty. You're not the biggest Musty fan but you are even more down on Bordeleau. That should have been a "SOLD!" moment for you. I get your intent was to make a fair offer, I just thought it was funny that he was asking for the guy you have been campaigning to get rid of yet you were trying to convince him otherwise.

 

[tiburon12]

I don't think either side is blameless. I think that Jiricek had such a successful 19 year old season in the AHL that he and his camp think he's 'graduated' from the AHL. Obviously, the Jackets don't think that.

Jiricek's comment last season about "Nemec and Korchinski from my draft year get NHL PP time but I don't" reeks of entitlement, and gets funnier when Korchinski and Nemec are now in the AHL this season and Jiricek isn't. I don't know if that comment was Allen Walsh in his ear or an overbearing father or whatever, but I think CBJ/their fans are right to be ticked by that comment. At the same time, the Jackets haven't exactly put him in a position to succeed. Signing Jack Johnson and then being like "sorry, there's just no NHL minutes to spare for you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯" isn't a good look. At the same time, if Jiricek's camp has basically said that they won't report to the AHL but he hasn't played well in his NHL minutes, then their hands are kind of tied.

I think Columbus is a very bad team that is genuinely trying to win, which is a horrible environment for a 21 year old offensive-leaning defenseman to be in. Tirefire of a situation that both parties are ladling gasoline onto every chance they get. Basically, I don't think Jiricek is ever going to shine in Columbus at this point; Werenski is signed long-term and the org seems to favor Mateychuk, so a top-4 offensive role seems somewhat out of reach. It's just going to be a matter of whether Columbus is willing to cut their losses or if they see Jiricek as a sunk cost and want to torpedo his career out of spite IMO.

Well, Nemec is in the AHL for the same reasons Jiricek isn't getting minutes (UFA signings), but i get what you're saying.

I have a hard time getting over my bias that CBJ as an org is terribly run and that they are bad at development. Frankly I can't see any other reason why they have been so bad for seemingly ever despite selecting pretty high over the years. I get the feeling a change of scenery is in order to see what this kid truly has. For quarters on the dollar id take that risk

 

[mogambomoroo]

Jiricek could be the perfect underperforming potential young RD to get at a reasonable price relative to what Sharks need. I think you try to give more quantity rather then quality for him.
I have no idea how much Columbus would want for him, but the time to acquire him might be rather soon before he figures it out. Or take a risk that he doesn't figure it out at the level he was drafted to. Good problem to have either way for the Sharks if they grab him.

There was some nice trade ideas discussed here. I would want to try and start with 2nd round pick and then try to put on the young players that aren't projected or used in major roles in the future Sharks team.

Start the conversation with 2nd round pick, Bordeleau and Gushchin. Boom! High 2nd round pick with two of our young forwards that have shown flashes of success, but aren't projected to our playoff caliber Sharks team. Could be a steal for CBJ, if they figure how to use them correctly or Jiricek totally flops here. If CBJ are fine with that you go for it. Takes out a fair amount of AHL forward depth, but could help Sharks in the long run.

If CBJ asks for an RD to be added, I would try it out with the veterans Rutta or Ceci first. If it's close I would offer Jack Thompson. You give a lot of young players, but I think that's the price for David Jiricek. Even if he doesn't become a top defencemen for us. He could be a deadly 2nd pair RD.

Final offer: Thompson, Bordeleau, Gushchin and 2nd round pick for David Jiricek and 5th round pick.

Any thoughts if that's too much, okay price or too low of a price for David Jiricek?

 

[matt trick]

Until Walsh/Jiricek makes the trade request (which I imagine is coming), CBJ don't need to do anything. Even then, they can sit on it, and hope he later rebuilds value in the NHL before being moved (or rescinding the request). It's not like an Askarov situation where they had that positioned locked up with one of the league's elite. Even if you had Cale Makar, you still need a 2 RHD.

Should they decide or be forced to move him, I'd imagine they'd look for a similarly valued high upside guy perhaps with own question marks, or opt for a lesser upside but safer young player. They're good on wingers, so I'd imagine they'd target D or C. Maybe Muk catches their attention, though they do have Matekchuk queued up behind Werenski.

I'd be thrilled if any of the three of Gushchin/Bords/Thompson become NHL mainstays. I'm rooting for Gush and I could see Thompson as a third pair RHD for several years, but none of the three are guarantees to be in the NHL in 3 years. The 2nd is by far the most valuable asset coming from San Jose, and you can't draft a guy 7th, and then two years later move him for a pick from 33-37.

Tons of teams will want a RHD with size- including CBJ.

 

[matt trick]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1858322339777134757

Y'all see this from JFresh? Blackwood is playing at a ridiculous level. At 27 years old, 6'4 and handling himself on a team that is consistently shelled, I have got to think several teams see a legit #1 G for the next 4-5 years. I could see him getting a Daccord type contract.

It begs the question, should the Sharks be thinking about running a Blackwood/Askarov tandem for the next 3-4 years? It's hard to say you want to compete, and then moving a youngish goalie who might just be top half in the league (until next year, because voodoo...). That said, I imagine Edmonton and Colorado might just value him at a first/equivalent prospect, particularly if they can have him sooner. Moving him at the deadline is probably seen as fine, but those two teams would pay a premium now(ish).

One of the hockey podcast (32 thoughts/Athletic?) mentioned the Sharks think very highly of him and see legit #1 in Blackwood. Given our time in the goalie desert, I can't help but wonder if Grier loves the idea of a Blackwood/Askarov tandem.

For a 2nd, I think I'd prefer to extend Blackwood for a 45/37 split with Askarov for the next couple years. For a 1st or equivalent prospect, I'd move him. I'd imagine his value will be maintained especially as the team defense improves.

Much like Granlund and Ceci, it's a tricky decision. All three make us better.