Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[Erep]

You think Athanasiou, Foligno and Dickinson would get the contracts they signed with Chicago anywhere else? This is part of the reality of being a rebuilding team post-teardown. Might as well overpay someone who deserves it like Zadina.

All of those players are better than Zadina, and yes, you need to over pay to attract UFAs and that is fine, but that isn't the point.

The fact that Zadina terminated his contract means he should get less leniency on earning the money back, not more. Part of running a business, especially in a highly competitive field like pro sports is you need to maintain consistent risk reward tolerance, across your assets. Zadina took on risk by coming to the Sharks. The Sharks need to not get into the habit, reputation, and lose leverage in future situations by taking the loss when the other party takes on the risk. That is the kind of thing that destabilizes your business and cap structure long term.

 

[Coily]

Is there a way to circumvent the cap floor?

 

[Lebanezer]

Is there a way to circumvent the cap floor?

Acquire players like Shea Weber, Marian Hossa, Pavel Datsyuk etc. when they are basically retired but under contract and don't put them on LTIR. The Coyotes did it this year.

 

[LadyStanley]

They could acquire some LTIR guys who are all but in name retired to get to floor. Give cap relief to teams for draft capital.

Also:

 

[Pinkfloyd]

If a need to get to the floor is actually there because nobody could be signed or traded for them trade for Lehner with Vegas but it’s not a real concern. There are still only so many lineup spots in the NHL.

 

[one2gamble]

Did someone say paying kunin more than 3 makes sense.....

 

[OrrNumber4]

They could acquire some LTIR guys who are all but in name retired to get to floor. Give cap relief to teams for draft capital.

Also:

Refreshingly open interview. Meanwhile, DW still won't confirm that the Sharks aren't resigning Brian Campbell...

 

[OrrNumber4]

My top targets:

1) Lindholm as the #C to shelter the youth; give him $$$$ on a short deal
2) Matt Roy as top-4 defenseman; plan for him in the long term
3) Orlov as a cap dump
4) Kotkaniemi as a buy-low asset
4) Goodrow to solidify the bottom-6. If NYR buys him out he could be had cheaply.

Eklund-Lindholm-Zetterlund
Granlund-Kotkaniemi-Prospect
Goodrow-Sturm-Kunin

Orlov-Roy
Prospect-Emberson

Is a decent "core".

 

[Patty Ice]

Imagine if the Rangers would be willing to give up a 1st to get out of the contract, then the Sharks would have traded Goodrow for a 1st and traded for him to get a 1st. He'd make my all-time Sharks team.

 

[Sendhelplease]

Could we acquire someone like Brandon Gallagher where he agrees to a contract restructure that gives him all of the remaining money on the deal this year and then the contract ends. I doubt it is allowable under the CBA but that would be a win-win for everyone involved.

 

[themelkman]

My fave is the Will Smith for 5th overall. “Hey, check it out we can trade our brand new 4th overall Will Smith for a 5th overall, and pick a player that if all goes well could be as good as… IDK… a Will Smith type! Sounds great! Sign me up.”

They did not like me saying it, but they are very mad they picked Reinbacher last year

 

[jMoneyBrah]

Could we acquire someone like Brandon Gallagher where he agrees to a contract restructure that gives him all of the remaining money on the deal this year and then the contract ends. I doubt it is allowable under the CBA but that would be a win-win for everyone involved.

No. There are no contract restructures. Once the contract is signed the terms are locked. The only way out is a buyout. Occasionally both team and player will mutually terminate the contract. Or… in exceedingly rare circumstances (see Kane, Evander) the contract can be terminated for cause. Those are the options.

It was a real win for the players to have fully guaranteed contracts. I don’t see them opening the door for restructure/renegotiation anytime soon.

 

[Sendhelplease]

No. There are no contract restructures. Once the contract is signed the terms are locked. The only way out is a buyout. Occasionally both team and player will mutually terminate the contract. Or… in exceedingly rare circumstances (see Kane, Evander) the contract can be terminated for cause. Those are the options.

I figured that would be the case. Its a shame, I would love for the Sharks to do that with Vlasic's contract. Would give us cap room long term and help us reach the floor this year.

 

[jMoneyBrah]

I figured that would be the case. Its a shame, I would love for the Sharks to do that with Vlasic's contract. Would give us cap room long term and help us reach the floor this year.

Eh, it’s probably for the best. Stuff like you’re proposing sounds good in the short term until short-sighted GMs start using it as a “tool” and then you end up with the New Orleans Saints cap structure where they literally have to keep deferring money just to field a team and it’s not clear when they will ever be free of it.

 

[themelkman]

Did someone say paying kunin more than 3 makes sense.....

This only confirms to me that Hodge is literally Grier in disguise. Hes just preparing us for the reality

 

[OrrNumber4]

Rangers fan seem convinced that Goodrow is going to be bought-out; they don't want to pay the price for dumping his full contract.

 

[Shark in Hockeytown]

How is that team hitting the cap floor?

Trade for Shea Weber

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Imagine if the Rangers would be willing to give up a 1st to get out of the contract, then the Sharks would have traded Goodrow for a 1st and traded for him to get a 1st. He'd make my all-time Sharks team.

Like when we traded Goodrow initially, we will need to attach a pick to make that deal happen.

 

[Barrie22]

Like when we traded Goodrow initially, we will need to attach a pick to make that deal happen.

That 3rd was for the prospect not to take goodrow.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

That 3rd was for the prospect not to take goodrow.

So you contend that Greco was worth a 3rd and Goodrow was worth a 1st? Yeah I don’t think so. Greco was a contract. The trade was Goodrow and a 3rd for a 1st. We moved Goodrow to move up two rounds to have a 1st when we were not making the playoffs and gave up our 1st previously.

 

[Barrie22]

So you contend that Greco was worth a 3rd and Goodrow was worth a 1st? Yeah I don’t think so. Greco was a contract. The trade was Goodrow and a 3rd for a 1st. We moved Goodrow to move up two rounds to have a 1st when we were not making the playoffs and gave up our 1st previously.

Yes i am because that's how trades in the NHL has gone on for the entire time the league has been making trades. Anytime there is a trade for a roster player for a pick and the receiving team adds a player there is always a lower pick added to even out the trade.

 

[Mattb124]

Barabanov seems very gone, MG pretty much just said so. Also dont know why Barabanov would want to stay after this last year

I am surprised they are not re-signing him and now even more disappointed we don’t move him at the TDL.

 

[Patty Ice]

Like when we traded Goodrow initially, we will need to attach a pick to make that deal happen.

Going by the same metric of the previous trade (and that is being generous), I'd have no issue giving up the TB 3rd rounder if it got the Sharks a 1st.

 

[RussianShark]

I am surprised they are not re-signing him and now even more disappointed we don’t move him at the TDL.

we tried, nobody wanted him. He lost all his value this season.

 

[Mattb124]

we tried, nobody wanted him. He lost all his value this season.

The reports are that the Rangers almost acquired him at the TDL, so I don't think that is true.