Speculation: 2023-24-25-26 Sharks Roster Discussion

[Star Platinum]

Sherwood is the most physical forward in the league

He's not

 

[Star Platinum]

Sherwood's shot rate means he will score 20 goals in a season even at his career average SH% of 11.3

Graf's shot rate means he needs to shoot 18% to score 20 goals in a season

Sherwood isn't going to be on the Shark's top power play unit like he was in Vancouver. His goal scoring is going to plummet.

 

[Star Platinum]

Paying Graf $6 million a year to be like our 8th best forward is not a good use of cap space.

At the right price, Graf is the kind of guy you can make an effective third line out of that provides some defensive resistance while not being useless offensively and who can be a decent third wing on a Top 2 line when injuries strike your better players.

 

[Star Platinum]

Graf untradable albatross

Advocate Nurse

I big smart

This good logic

 

[sampler]

The Sharks don't need a big fish to add to their blue line to move forward with their process. We need to just take the best deal available to fill a hole on the blue line and work through it until something better comes along while getting some development from the younger players.

I have come around to agreeing with this. I think Grier has no interest in going after a big fish and trading big futures to do it.

I expect he'll give Cagnoni his NHL chance especially on the PP. I also expect he'll try to add one more Kesselring-level player with similar size and age who can play a reliable 20-21 mins/gm and kill penalties. Schneider fits that bill exactly. If Grier offers Bystedt and Col 2nd, I expect NYR would jump on that, as I dont think they are gunna get big offers from anyone else.

Having Dick, Mukh, Schneider, and Kesselring, along with Orlov an Cagnoni is not a bad D. It's not a good D, but it's better than last year, and extremely low risk in terms of cap hit and age.

 

[sampler]

As for graf, I expect 5 x 5M or a bridge, 2 x 4M. I would be shocked to see Grier give him 6M, though it's not impossible. Hes a very valuable player with his PK work and that he can slot in anywhere.

 

[Star Platinum]

I’d argue we’d have had a top 15 PK with the pieces we did if it wasn’t for Houda’s INSANELY stupid capped wedge PK. It made Graf look good but the system as a whole is a complete liability. One single guy pressuring and the other three just standing still in a triangle.

I was having a nice relaxing summer until you guys made me think about our penalty kill

 

[Star Platinum]

Hasnt gone well in OTT... i remember when everyone was freaking out about losing Zetterlund.... good times.

I'd happily trade Ottawa Goodrow and the fourth round pick we just got from Boston to get him back if they're having buyer's remorse. Put him, Graf, and Wennberg on a third line and you've got a decent third scoring line and then you can put Sherwood down on the fourth line where he belongs.

 

[weastern bias]

Here's the value of looking at TOI per game for defensemen as evidence of their value/ability.

#3: Ferraro
#4: Klingberg
#6: Llijegren

It still means claiming Kesselring was their #6 is objectively incorrect

It's like saying Ferraro was our #6 this year, when he was actually our (very terrible and overmatched) #3

 

[Pavelski2112]

I'd happily trade Ottawa Goodrow and the fourth round pick we just got from Boston to get him back if they're having buyer's remorse. Put him, Graf, and Wennberg on a third line and you've got a decent third scoring line and then you can put Sherwood down on the fourth line where he belongs.

He just doesn't do enough to justify having him back imo, especially if we end up drafting Stenberg. The Sharks need to put all of their energy into building the defense.

 

[TheBeard]

I was having a nice relaxing summer until you guys made me think about our penalty kill

Could be worse. You could be thinking about the powerplay.

 

[Star Platinum]

Could be worse. You could be thinking about the powerplay.

Watching Carolina in the playoffs did that for me every other day. In that sense, I'm glad hockey is done for a few months.

 

[Star Platinum]

He just doesn't do enough to justify having him back imo, especially if we end up drafting Stenberg. The Sharks need to put all of their energy into building the defense.

If they put a little energy into making me not have to watch Goodrow this year, it would bring me some small sliver of happiness, which I thoroughly deserve.

 

[Star Platinum]

The Sharks don't need a big fish to add to their blue line to move forward with their process. We need to just take the best deal available to fill a hole on the blue line and work through it until something better comes along while getting some development from the younger players.

If they don't get a big fish, they need not to get a Surströmming. I'd rather make Cagnoni the third pairing LHD and live with Orlov at #1LHD and Dickinson at #2LHD than to add either Rielly or Nurse to this squad.

 

[weastern bias]

happiness, which I thoroughly deserve.

 

[TheBeard]

Watching Carolina in the playoffs did that for me every other day. In that sense, I'm glad hockey is done for a few months.

I got permanently banned on Reddit so I can’t even troll the idiots there anymore

 

[SJS1991]

I'd happily trade Ottawa Goodrow and the fourth round pick we just got from Boston to get him back if they're having buyer's remorse. Put him, Graf, and Wennberg on a third line and you've got a decent third scoring line and then you can put Sherwood down on the fourth line where he belongs.

eh.. id rather keep the pick and have 1 more year of Goodrow than 3 additional with Zetterlund. Its pretty clear how SJ wants their 3/4 lines to play. Zetterlund isnt good enough defensively or good enough on the forecheck to be a 4 year investment.

If he isnt scoring he is otherwise useless. And he isnt a good enough scorer to have a spot saved for him up on the 2nd line.

 

[OrrNumber4]

As for graf, I expect 5 x 5M or a bridge, 2 x 4M. I would be shocked to see Grier give him 6M, though it's not impossible. Hes a very valuable player with his PK work and that he can slot in anywhere.

6x6 for Graf could be an absolute steal in 2-3 years.