Speculation: 2023-24-25-26 Sharks Roster Discussion

[Celly4Misa]

Well there's only one California team with multiple 1sts in this draft...

didnt say this draft. Just 2 1sts

 

[TheBeard]

Honestly, trading for Matthews goes against everything Grier has been preaching.

 

[Hodge]

Honestly, trading for Matthews goes against everything Grier has been preaching.

He literally said verbatim earlier today he would trade for a player in his late 20s if he thinks they're good enough to be impactful for another 4-6 years

 

[TheBeard]

He literally said verbatim earlier today he would trade for a player in his late 20s if he thinks they're good enough to be impactful for another 4-6 years

Trading for a player and mortgaging the future are 2 different things. I also have major reservations Matthews can be impactful for that long.

 

[Star Platinum]

It still feels like Reilly is coming here but we’ll seeeee

 

[Star Platinum]

Well there's only one California team with multiple 1sts in this draft...

Wait until they find out it's for #9 and #27

 

[TheBeard]

Wait until they find out it's for #9 and #27

I still wouldn't do it.

 

[Juxtaposer]

It would be deeply, deeply funny if Grier created this Byram trade by refusing to trade down with Chicago, indicating he was taking Stenberg at 2, and making a competitive offer for Byram.

 

[Hodge]

You know hockey fans have lost their collective mind when this idiot is the only one making sense

 

[OversKy]

You know hockey fans have lost their collective mind when this idiot is the only one making sense

Byrams DY was over a half-decade ago. Why would that really be relevant? I guess to give context... so let's take a look at former #4 OA picks. Uh oh, whoever Jason Gregor is never bothered to even Google them. More often than not I would say they're at least on par with Byram. Throw in cost control and boom we got a lopsided Byram deal.

 

[Sharksfan66]

No interest in trading for Matthews.

But after moving Eklund for draft capital and our most recent HOFer's salary coming off the books, seems like Grier is going to have to go BIG in both trading and FA just to hit the cap floor.

I wonder if we see a deal around 9 for Harley or Morrissey before Friday. Or maybe Grier makes a Godfather like offer for Werenski (the story I tell myself is he hasn't offered 2 but if he does, Waddell might feel like it's too risky to pass that up to wait to see how Werenski feels as next season goes and he just does the thing here and now)

Then maybe a big money, short term deals for Bob and Trouba?

I have this feeling Reilly is Grier's Klingberg-level backup plan. Let's hope it doesn't come to that again.

 

[OrrNumber4]

You know hockey fans have lost their collective mind when this idiot is the only one making sense

In a re-draft, Byram falls several places. He's 100% no longer the first defenseman taken. (I would take Seider, Harley, Lacombe, and Vlasic).

 

[Zarzh]

You know hockey fans have lost their collective mind when this idiot is the only one making sense

Because Carels is a defensive defenseman who scored at a higher pace than him and he's not even ranked 4th.

 

[Hodge]

Byrams DY was over a half-decade ago. Why would that really be relevant? I guess to give context... so let's take a look at former #4 OA picks. Uh oh, whoever Jason Gregor is never bothered to even Google them. More often than not I would say they're at least on par with Byram. Throw in cost control and boom we got a lopsided Byram deal.

Read the whole post. His point is that fans grossly overvalue the mystery box element of the "4th overall pick" when in reality teams will be lucky if any of these prospects becomes as good as Byram and now the Hawks don't have to wait or assume the downside risk.

In a re-draft, Byram falls several places. He's 100% no longer the first defenseman taken. (I would take Seider, Harley, Lacombe, and Vlasic).

Okay great but you're not getting Seider, Harley or LaCombe for the 4th overall pick in this draft. And Vlasic is obviously not better than Byram.

 

[Hodge]

Because Carels is a defensive defenseman who scored at a higher pace than him and he's not even ranked 4th.

That doesn't guarantee Carels will be a better NHL defenseman and even if he reaches Byram's level it won't be until the 2030s in all likelihood.

Byram will be a 60+ point defenseman who logs 25 minutes a night for the Blackhawks next season and is still young enough that he can improve. That's easily worth a 4th overall pick in this draft class.

 

[OversKy]

Read the whole post. His point is that fans grossly overvalue the mystery box element of the "4th overall pick" when in reality teams will be lucky if any of these prospects becomes as good as Byram and now the Hawks don't have to wait or assume the downside risk.

Weird, I literally fact checked this in my last post. Byram is one of many great 4OA's, just google it. I'd much rather have a chance at a cost controlled Cale Makar and end up with Luke Hughes than throw it away on paying Byram all my money. This draft looks awesome for top 10 D imo.

 

[Hodge]

Weird, I literally fact checked this in my last post. Byram is one of many great 4OA's, just google it. I'd much rather have a chance at a cost controlled Cale Makar and end up with Luke Hughes than throw it away on paying Byram all my money. This draft looks awesome for top 10 D imo.

If the defensemen in this draft looked "awesome" the consensus top two picks would not be smurf wingers, objectively the least valuable player type in the sport.

 

[OrrNumber4]

Well, if you see Byram as a 60-point, #1 defenseman, that is one thing. I see him as a #2-3, good for 30-40 points while being overpaid.

 

[Bizz]

I see Hawks fans on the trade forum have entered the bargaining stage of grief. lol.

 

[Hodge]

Well, if you see Byram as a 60-point, #1 defenseman, that is one thing. I see him as a #2-3, good for 30-40 points while being overpaid.

He has been stuck behind Makar and Dahlin his entire career. He will easily put up 60+ points in a PP1/top pair role in Chicago and he would have here too.

Does that make him a Cup worthy #1 defenseman? No he still has a ways to go defensively. But we're talking about a 25 year old with remaining upside.

 

[coooldude]

Has anyone checked in on the Hawks board? Love him or hate him, Grier has BALLS. Davidson hasn't done much other than accumulate an insane amount of picks and draft very fast skaters.

Credit where it's due to Davidson. At least it's a big swing. And finally an example of a top 5 pick getting traded recently.

 

[Hodge]

Assuming the 9+27+prospect offer for Byram actually happened why not turn around and offer that to Vancouver for Filip Hronek?

 

[ChompChomp]

Assuming the 9+27+prospect offer for Byram actually happened why not turn around and offer that to Vancouver for Filip Hronek?

Maybe that's coming tomorrow. Stay tuned.

(Seriously, that could happen, assuming Hronek will waive to come here. Which I'd expect to happen given Vancouver is rebuilding)

 

[Sharksfan66]

Assuming the 9+27+prospect offer for Byram actually happened why not turn around and offer that to Vancouver for Filip Hronek?

Because we are going to need a PPQB at some point.

I have said it in probably half a dozen threads now, but if Grier would let Cagnoni have a 20-30 game shot at holding down a Ghost-like role on this team (3rd pair, running PP1), I'd be all over this. But I don't trust Grier to do that, seems more likely he would follow up this trade with a trade for Reilly, which might excite you but does not excite me at all.

 

[Hodge]

Maybe that's coming tomorrow. Stay tuned.

(Seriously, that could happen, assuming Hronek will waive to come here. Which I'd expect to happen given Vancouver is rebuilding)

Harley could be another target if Dallas decides to keep Robertson and needs to clear cap space.