Speculation: 2023-24-25-26 Sharks Roster Discussion

[SJS1991]

If the Canadian teams are scared to take Americans, the American teams will take Americans with undervalued draft picks and come out better on the ice in the long run, as the Canadians will have no choice but to draft further down the depth chart to avoid Americans, thus leaving them worse teams who will then lose their stars to American teams as their stars will want out to go to teams with a better chance of winning.

That's no solution (and neither is any salary cap gimmickrry). The only solution is for Canadian teams to be winners who can thus attract and retain talent, or for the Canadian NHL teams to break off and form their own league that excludes the American teams and hope that they can prevent talent from heading south.

I agree holistically that this is a "winning issue"... because when McDavid jumps to a contender it wont be just "Americans".

But lets not act like these teams aren't run by humans that will misread the situation and react to the easy conclusion.

Also outside of MTL... none of the Canadian teams are creditably close to Stanley Cup caliber (this includes EDM)... so as they "build up" they need to likely focus on guys that will stick around long enough to get them to winning.

 

[Wedontneedroads]

That’s not a bad return for a guy who just showed he is a playoff loser.

Very curious what Ottawa is thinking. I’m sure the giant loser baby Brady forced their hand, but they seem to be in win now mode and probably want to trade picks for players.

Eklund for 9OA then draft Stenberg to replace Eklund immediately and hope Voerhoff falls to 9 which is entirely possible. This could be a spicy few days.

 

[ChompChomp]

That’s not a bad return for a guy who just showed he is a playoff loser.

Very curious what Ottawa is thinking. I’m sure the giant loser baby Brady forced their hand, but they seem to be in win now mode and probably want to trade picks for players.

Eklund for 9OA then draft Stenberg to replace Eklund immediately and hope Voerhoff falls to 9 which is entirely possible. This could be a spicy few days.

Interesting idea. Would Ottawa do Ek for 9OA?

 

[vortexx]

Interesting idea. Would Ottawa do Ek for 9OA?

It is interesting but at #9 I would only do it if a Smits/Verhoeff/Carels was there but the chances of that is very low, maybe Gustafsson if Grier and co are really high on him. Also for this deal to happen it probably assumes we take Stenberg at #2 and I'm not sure Eky for #9 is enough but Ottawa definitely is still looking to compete now and will be looking to trade their acquired picks for help now. Reunite Eklund and Zetts in Ottawa! (ignore the fact they are trying to get rid of Zetterlund)

 

[SJS1991]

Interesting idea. Would Ottawa do Ek for 9OA?

Not likely... rumors are they are trying for Jason Robertson.

 

[OrrNumber4]

That’s not a bad return for a guy who just showed he is a playoff loser.

Very curious what Ottawa is thinking. I’m sure the giant loser baby Brady forced their hand, but they seem to be in win now mode and probably want to trade picks for players.

Eklund for 9OA then draft Stenberg to replace Eklund immediately and hope Voerhoff falls to 9 which is entirely possible. This could be a spicy few days.

Even if the return is not light, I suspect that Ottawa may feel that it is addition by subtraction. They just wanted to get him off the team and had to work within the confines of his NTC.

 

[Lebanezer]

Not likely... rumors are they are trying for Jason Robertson.

That would all be contingent on Robertson agreeing to an extension with them… I have my dobts.

 

[WSS11]

Saw this in the other thread. Panthers center and just forward depth is outrageous.

Tkachuk-Barkov-Reinhart
Verahege-Bennett-Tkachuk
Luostarinen-Lundell-Marchand

 

[Wedontneedroads]

Interesting idea. Would Ottawa do Ek for 9OA?

Probably not but if Voerhoff is there I would throw in the Colorado 2nd as well and that moght get the value there in a vacuum. Ottawa might want another player though and I wouldn’t be opposed to Bystedt or Musty being added to make it work. Voerhoff and Stenberg > Eklund and Bystedt/Musty.

It is interesting but at #9 I would only do it if a Smits/Verhoeff/Carels was there but the chances of that is very low, maybe Gustafsson if Grier and co are really high on him. Also for this deal to happen it probably assumes we take Stenberg at #2 and I'm not sure Eky for #9 is enough but Ottawa definitely is still looking to compete now and will be looking to trade their acquired picks for help now. Reunite Eklund and Zetts in Ottawa! (ignore the fact they are trying to get rid of Zetterlund)

Has to be one of those defensemen. I might throw Rudolph in there as well. Teams tend to value C over D and guys like Bjorck and Lawrence might go before Voerhoff/Smits/Carels/Rudolph. Likely a draft day trade based on what happens ahead of #9.

Even if the return is not light, I suspect that Ottawa may feel that it is addition by subtraction. They just wanted to get him off the team and had to work within the confines of his NTC.

Sounds like the lockeroom wasn’t clamoring to keep him which is pretty damning for a captain. Actually makes the return even better given he probably only wanted to go to Florida as well.

 

[SJS1991]

Saw this in the other thread. Panthers center and just forward depth is outrageous.

Tkachuk-Barkov-Reinhart
Verahege-Bennett-Tkachuk
Luostarinen-Lundell-Marchand

they need to find a goalie that can make a stop....

 

[SJS1991]

That would all be contingent on Robertson agreeing to an extension with them… I have my dobts.

agreed, but his gf is from the local area and he does have ties there.

Im just saying for all the Eklund talk... teams are aiming higher...

 

[SJS1991]

Sounds like the lockeroom wasn’t clamoring to keep him which is pretty damning for a captain. Actually makes the return even better given he probably only wanted to go to Florida as well.

The return was great... the issue is they are all futures, for a team whose core is in win now mode... plus OTT historically does weird stuff with draft picks.

So it has a chance to be really really bad for them.

Brady wasnt going to win them a cup... but if they screw up the return it can be really bad.

 

[Cas]

Ottawa needs the extra draft picks for when Vegas next violates league rules.

 

[WSS11]

they need to find a goalie that can make a stop....

As long as that goalie isn’t Jarry level bad then they should be fine. I’m sure ziti will figure something out

 

[Star Platinum]

Ideally, you get, on a discount, a 20-23-year-old defenseman who has fallen out of favour with his current team. Then, he develops into a stud defenseman!

Ideally, you do the simple thing, spend your #2 pick on an 18 year old defenseman who develops into a stud defensemen and then you have all those extra assets you didn't have to spend filling that same hole because you decided you wanted to overcomplicate things for no reason.

 

[SJS1991]

As long as that goalie isn’t Jarry level bad then they should be fine. I’m sure ziti will figure something out

they should sign Skinner... win a cup with him as their goalie... just to troll the Oilers and McDavid

 

[Hodge]

Ideally, you do the simple thing, spend your #2 pick on an 18 year old defenseman who develops into a stud defensemen and then you have all those extra assets you didn't have to spend filling that same hole because you decided you wanted to overcomplicate things for no reason.

As Levshunov and Nemec have shown, reaching for a dman at #2 who has no business being drafted there automatically means they'll develop into a stud.

 

[Star Platinum]

Wait, was he resigned?

This is why I hate Instagram and since the embedded posts don't load for me anyway, I have no issue ignoring every single Instagram post made here. The odds of there ever be actual important information in an Instagram post is like the odds of successfully navigating an asteroid field.

 

[SJSharksfan4life]

As Levshunov and Nemec have shown, reaching for a dman at #2 who has no business being drafted there automatically means they'll develop into a stud.

Drafting Reid at 2 is not a reach.

 

[SJSharksfan4life]

Ideally, you do the simple thing, spend your #2 pick on an 18 year old defenseman who develops into a stud defensemen and then you have all those extra assets you didn't have to spend filling that same hole because you decided you wanted to overcomplicate things for no reason.

This

 

[Hodge]

Drafting Reid at 2 is not a reach.

He has a similar draft year profile to Pavel Mintyukov so yes it is.

 

[SJSharksfan4life]

He has a similar draft year profile to Pavel Mintyukov so yes it is.

THIS year, he’s thought of by many to be the second pick.

 

[Hodge]

THIS year, he’s thought of by many to be the second pick.

Which doesn't make any sense. Malhotra, Stenberg and Bjorck are all better prospects. Even among defensemen Carels and Verhoeff are significantly younger than Reid and had better draft seasons than he did. Reid is being massively overrated due to the perception that the Sharks need a right handed PPQB.

 

[Star Platinum]

He has a similar draft year profile to Pavel Mintyukov so yes it is.

Cool story Chubbs

 

[EXTRAS]

One of their needs is for a play making LW. Or so I've heard

As a Canucks fan, at this point, our needs are everything. Trading Willander to plug another hole doesn't make much sense.