2023-2024 Blues Multi-Purpose Thread

[Vladys Gumption]

He’s big, he’s tough, he defends well, he can clear the crease. I’d like to get back to having a D that put some fear into teams

He’s a third pairing defenseman. He doesn’t come anywhere near making this defense good enough to justify paying him what he’s going to demand.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I wouldn't be 100% against Zadorov, would have to be the right deal though. A deal 100% off of his playoff performance is a no-go, but maybe something that views him for what he is in the regular season and a tad extra for his playoff performance.

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

Friedman says that some expect the Blues to be active. Rutherford says the Blues are expeccted to be quiet.

 

[stl76]

Friedman says that some expect the Blues to be active. Rutherford says the Blues are expeccted to be quiet.

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I hope by active he means actively taking on cap dumps + assets from teams overpaying FA’s on day 1. Sigh.

 

[Xerloris]

Friedman says that some expect the Blues to be active. Rutherford says the Blues are expeccted to be quiet.

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Oh wow, they literally say a third-line center. I guess this is another ROR replacement right?

 

[The Note]

Signing Zadorov to the deal he reportedly wants is damn near the last thing the Blues should be doing.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Hopefully we get some decent comps today for 4-5 year deals.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1807765763178004652

 

[Blueston]

Stevenson feels like he could be our target.

 

[TheOrganist]

Stevenson feels like he could be our target.

Prefer a trade target like William Karlsson as Brian has suggested but you haven't heard his name much in trade rumors. A serviceable FA center is going to want too much term/dollars whereas Karlsson fits better on our time horizon if we're trying to do this pseudo compete thing while our top prospects marinate.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Stevenson feels like he could be our target.

Friedman has a rough guess of Nashville, Seattle, or us for him.

A collection of thoughts and predictions as NHL signing season kicks off

 

[BlueDream]

Prefer a trade target like William Karlsson as Brian has suggested but you haven't heard his name much in trade rumors. A serviceable FA center is going to want too much term/dollars whereas Karlsson fits better on our time horizon if we're trying to do this pseudo compete thing while our top prospects marinate.

He isn’t in rumors because Stephenson and Marchessault are both hitting the market and likely to walk, it looks like. So they don’t need to be trading Karlsson anymore, that would have been a cap move.

 

[Blueston]

Prefer a trade target like William Karlsson as Brian has suggested but you haven't heard his name much in trade rumors. A serviceable FA center is going to want too much term/dollars whereas Karlsson fits better on our time horizon if we're trying to do this pseudo compete thing while our top prospects marinate.

I could see that, depending on what Vegas does with stamkos or someone else higher end.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I could see that, depending on what Vegas does with stamkos or someone else higher end.

F*** it, just sign Stamkos.

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

Stephenson doesn't do it for me, especially if he's expected to get 5x5+.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Stephenson doesn't do it for me, especially if he's expected to get 5x5+.

100% depends on the contract. I'd pass if he wants 5 years. Analytics are typically good on forwards, and he had a down year last season according to some of them. I'd pay a premium to get him on a 3 year deal though.

 

[Drubilly]

We’re going to “help” Vegas land Marner by receiving Petro and Karlsson aren’t we??!?

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

100% depends on the contract. I'd pass if he wants 5 years. Analytics are typically good on forwards, and he had a down year last season according to some of them. I'd pay a premium to get him on a 3 year deal though.

My worry is that Stephenson is another passenger player that's going to rely on linemates to lift him up. We need difference makers, drivers.

 

[Louie the Blue]

My worry is that Stephenson is another passenger player that's going to rely on linemates to lift him up. We need difference makers, drivers.

For forwards right now I disagree.

Gotta give the younger players an opportunity and supplement them with players who can be net positives for the short but not long term.

That’s why the Kapanen, Vrana, and Hayes acquisitions were done.

Defense is a different story, though. Defensemen take longer to develop and the Blues don’t really have any one in house who is young that can resolve the top 4 dilemma. Acquiring someone who could for the long-term via trade or FA would be ideal.

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

We’re going to “help” Vegas land Marner by receiving Petro and Karlsson aren’t we??!?

This board would explode.

For forwards right now I disagree.

Gotta give the younger players an opportunity and supplement them with players who can be net positives for the short but not long term.

That’s why the Kapanen, Vrana, and Hayes acquisitions were done.

Defense is a different story, though. Defensemen take longer to develop and the Blues don’t really have any one in house who is young that can resolve the top 4 dilemma. Acquiring someone who could for the long-term via trade or FA would be ideal.

That’s why the Kapanen, Vrana, and Hayes acquisitions were done.

To me that's not good justification for making a similar move for a guy who's looking for a long-term deal.

 

[Louie the Blue]

To me that's not good justification for making a similar move for a guy who's looking for a long-term deal.

I don’t see the value in signing a forward other than Buchnevich for 5+ years.

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

I don’t see the value in signing a forward other than Buchnevich for 5+ years.

I agree with that. This market is very underwhelming and I think contending teams are going to be overspending like crazy on mid-level players. That's not a market I think we need to be involved in right now.

 

[Louie the Blue]

I agree with that. This market is very underwhelming and I think contending teams are going to be overspending like crazy on mid-level players. That's not a market I think we need to be involved in right now.

Don’t get me wrong I’d be down to spend on a guy like Stamkos for 3 years, but other moves would have to be made for me to even see the purpose of doing that.

This team is either going to be picking top 10 or be a WC team with little shot of making it past round 1. Still likely another season or 2 away from making some noise in the POs.

 

[Majorityof1]

We’re going to “help” Vegas land Marner by receiving Petro and Karlsson aren’t we??!?

If we bring Pietro back, I'm going to be furious. And I'm the VP of his fan club. To not sign him then, but to take the contract we wouldn't give him back at the tail end would be dumb. That contract was always going to be better on the front half. Then we are going to pay assets to get the back half only? There would have to be retention, or payment to take it on now.

 

[Drubilly]

This board would explode.

My inner-Ranksu couldn’t resist.

 

[Blanick]

If we bring Pietro back, I'm going to be furious. And I'm the VP of his fan club. To not sign him then, but to take the contract we wouldn't give him back at the tail end would be dumb. That contract was always going to be better on the front half. Then we are going to pay assets to get the back half only? There would have to be retention, or payment to take it on now.

Yeah, the only argument I could make for bringing him back would be to help mentor the next generation of Blues defense. Think of what Bouw did for Parayko. Would have to move Faulk first though.