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Analytics describe what has happened in the past. They do not explain or suggest anything. It is merely a way to express complex data on past events more simply. Its up to the user of the analytics to extrapolate. There are no good or bad analytics. Some are more useful than others. But none are going to make lineup suggestions for who we should pair on D.
It's funny how advanced stats has become instantly triggering for so many people. Advanced stats are the exact same as traditional stats. They tell you what happened. It's up to you to use that info how you see fit.
 

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JR with new article where he seemingly just discovered that we don’t have enough talent to contend. He must be super nice guy to stay employed, because he is awful journalist.
Given the Post Dispatch had a football writer as the Blues beat writer for 6 years(and probably would have been longer if he didn't retire) after JR's departure, I don't think there's anyone coming for JR's job anytime soon.
 
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The JFresh card seems to match my eye test. Parayko is a very interesting player. He plays a ton of minutes, and he plays against some of the best competition in the entire league, so you always have to factor that usage into his numbers. But that card shows a lot of what I see when I watch him play.

I think his 1% EV offence is pretty well earned. He doesn't drive offense. Full stop. His overall numbers look....OK? this year, thanks to a career best shooting %. In his prior three years, he was shooting a combined 3.7%. His career shooting percentage prior to this year was 4.1%. He is currently shooting at 7.8%, almost double his career average, and well over double his average of the last three years. (Hence why he's in the 95% of Finishing) He doesn't move around in the offensive zone. He's not an aggressive pincher. He rarely does anything to throw off coverage and create seams to exploit. He doesn't find cross-ice openings for a one-timer. He doesn't hold pucks and try to beat people inside or outside. He doesn't even really walk the line with the puck when he does get it. When I watch him in the offensive zone, he basically stands at the point and if the puck happens to come to him with time he unloads a bomb, otherwise he dumps it into a corner for our forwards to go get. Personally, he's been an enormous disappointment over the last number of years on the offensive side of the puck.

Then you get to D. I think his D has some major positives, and some major negatives. I think he's a good, "Stopper," for lack of a better term. He's huge, he has a massive wingspan with his stick, he skates extremely well, and he has decently high hockey sense. He does a good job forcing players on zone entries to the outside and into making low percentage plays into areas where we (usually) have support. What he doesn't do (And I think our whole team struggles with this, and I'm not sure if it's coaching, lack of execution, etc) is stop controlled entries from occurring at the blueline, or beat an aggressive forecheck after a dump-in by either skating the puck up and out of the zone on his own, or making a good first pass under pressure. Far FAR too often I see him gallop behind the net to pick up a dump-in from Binner/Hofer, start to feel the pressure, skate towards the boards, and slam the puck off the glass. His D-zone Retrievals being very high and his Retrieval Success being very low makes a ton of sense to me - as I said before, the dude is huge and skates super well, so he gets to the spot first on dump-ins.....but then he doesn't have the ability to shake the forecheck and get the puck up and out.

People talk about how Parayko needs a different partner, and frankly, I'm not really sure. I think Leddy is the type of player Parayko needs to be effective. Not Leddy in specific, but a Leddy type player - a guy who skates well, forces chances to the outside, but then can retrieve the puck and get it out of the zone with either his legs or his stick. Parayko had his best seasons next to Jay-Bo, who is basically a rich-man's version of Nick Leddy.

I think Parayko is one of the more frustrating players on our team. He seems to have all the physical tools to be an absolutely dominant force on the ice, but he just kind of.....chooses not to be. I think he could be a solid supplementary piece on a Cup contending team, but he is very very far from being a necessary piece. I think we can build around him, but we shouldn't think of him as untouchable or a major focal point. Right now we can't move on from him due to the rest of our D being such dogshit, but if someone was offering a young, potential #1 Dman for him, I wouldn't say no. It would probably pull the plug on the "Retool," and turn it into a full on "Rebuild," and since no one is going to offer that for him, ah well.
Leddy CAN get it out with his stick, but much like Parayko he's better at doing it with his legs. When we acquired him, one of these Twitter analysts had comment about Leddy being an outlier in terms of carrying the puck out of the zone himself as a defenseman. We're probably not deploying him that was on purpose so maybe it isn't as extreme, but after watching him with the Blues for a while that seems more his speed than the passing transition game. I'm not sure what JFresh is saying about Leddy with his comment about us not having the right partner, but I feel like we would be better off pairing Parayko with a similar partner who was better at making a faster transition out of the zone with the pass.

Really, though, I could say that about our defense as a whole. Parayko, Leddy, and Faulk aren't terrible at it but they aren't good either, especially in today's NHL.
 

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One last thing about Parayko - An area that I failed to comment on in my earlier post is Parayko's extremely low PK score on the JFresh card. It surprised me at the time and so I didn't really dig into it. Well Dom at the Athletic updated all his player cards today, and Parayko is extremely low in his analysis too (He's about the worst PK defenseman in the league), along with Leddy (Who is literally the worst PK defenseman in the league). When I saw the JFresh card's ranking of Parayko's PK ability, I was a bit surprised, but now there is a second data point that corroborates both he and Leddy have been absolute dogshit on the PK all year.
 

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One last thing about Parayko - An area that I failed to comment on in my earlier post is Parayko's extremely low PK score on the JFresh card. It surprised me at the time and so I didn't really dig into it. Well Dom at the Athletic updated all his player cards today, and Parayko is extremely low in his analysis too (He's about the worst PK defenseman in the league), along with Leddy (Who is literally the worst PK defenseman in the league). When I saw the JFresh card's ranking of Parayko's PK ability, I was a bit surprised, but now there is a second data point that corroborates both he and Leddy have been absolute dogshit on the PK all year.
for a great defensive defenseman, i've felt parayko has been mediocre pk guy for years. i assume it's bc he is much better engaged 1-on-1 defensively than he is in soft pk zone.
 

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I think that stat is flawed, I just haven't spent time to figure out why. When I look up the stats on naturalstattrick, and filter by dmen with 100/125/150+ minutes on PK, their number stack up pretty well.

Their corsi/chances metrics are near the top, on-ice shooting% is at the top, on-ice sv% is poor. So, feels like they do a pretty good job at prevent chances and creating chances, the PK unit does a good job of scoring when they are out there, but goaltending is poor.

Looking at the goalies, Hofer is poor on the PK, and Binnington is a bit above average.
 

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I think that stat is flawed, I just haven't spent time to figure out why. When I look up the stats on naturalstattrick, and filter by dmen with 100/125/150+ minutes on PK, their number stack up pretty well.

Their corsi/chances metrics are near the top, on-ice shooting% is at the top, on-ice sv% is poor. So, feels like they do a pretty good job at prevent chances and creating chances, the PK unit does a good job of scoring when they are out there, but goaltending is poor.

Looking at the goalies, Hofer is poor on the PK, and Binnington is a bit above average.
The question though is, are Parayko and Leddy’s PK stats bad because they have bad luck as the goalies just happen to not perform as well with them out there or are Parayko and Leddy providing such poor coverage that the goalies are facing much tougher shots when those 2 are on the ice so of course their Sv% is lower?

My guess is it’s more likely #2 but who knows.
 

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The question though is, are Parayko and Leddy’s PK stats bad because they have bad luck as the goalies just happen to not perform as well with them out there or are Parayko and Leddy providing such poor coverage that the goalies are facing much tougher shots when those 2 are on the ice so of course their Sv% is lower?

My guess is it’s more likely #2 but who knows.
That would be more reflective in their chance stats. Maybe I'll look at it more later by trying to ignore the chance generation side of things and just focus on chances given up relative to other high PK minute dmen.
 

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Parayko has some skills but some of his defending is terrible. The way he throws the puck up weakly to the point so the opponent immediately re-ups o zone possession is tough to watch.

He’s not great with the puck, but he’s great at actual defending. He just needs the right partner to really excel.
 

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Bet he's taller than Krug

Why is this team so obsessed with stockpiling young winger prospects? Doesn't Army know that we need defense? Why are we adding in advance of the deadline? Did Army not read JR's article about this team obviously not being a contender right now? According to the article, it sounds like we are just gifting him an NHL position for our very next game without making him earn anything at the AHL level first. You have to think Dean is furious about it. I know Dean hasn't had a great AHL season, but this feels like a slap in the face.

In all seriousness, good for everyone involved. Skating with an NHL team had to be an amazing moment for the kid.
 

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It's funny how advanced stats has become instantly triggering for so many people. Advanced stats are the exact same as traditional stats. They tell you what happened. It's up to you to use that info how you see fit.
And just like traditional stats, cherry pick the right ones and you can tell any story you want.
 
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I think Parayko is one of the more frustrating players on our team. He seems to have all the physical tools to be an absolutely dominant force on the ice, but he just kind of.....chooses not to be. I think he could be a solid supplementary piece on a Cup contending team, but he is very very far from being a necessary piece. I think we can build around him, but we shouldn't think of him as untouchable or a major focal point. Right now we can't move on from him due to the rest of our D being such dogshit, but if someone was offering a young, potential #1 Dman for him, I wouldn't say no. It would probably pull the plug on the "Retool," and turn it into a full on "Rebuild," and since no one is going to offer that for him, ah well.
I wanted to quote the entire post, because it's a really good write-up of Parayko's game, but that's quoting a lot of text. The paragraph I am quoting really sums it up, though: Parayko needs someone else to step up for him to step up. He's what I call a submissive player: he generally plays to the level of whoever he's paired with, not much higher and not much lower. He's certainly not elevating the level of play of whoever he's paired with.

There's nothing wrong with that, you're probably going to have a few guys like that on your team and you try not to put them all together, but for what he could be if he'd put a chip on his shoulder and have a little nasty to his game, or put some focus on being offensive instead of a puck funneler, is what's maddening about him.
 
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I don't think I've been this disinterested in a Blues regular season in a long time. We are basically a one line team that squeaks out wins because our goalies have been phenomenal. Shout out to both Binnington and Hofer this year. A nice rebound season for Binnington and Hofer has been everything you can ask for in a rookie goalie.

If we do end up trading Buchnevich, I can see us averaging 1.5 goals for per game for the rest of the season. We are just that anemic when it comes to offensive pressure and zone time. Thomas has been exceptional but he is not McDavid/Mackinnon who can just take over games singlehandedly. He needs help from his linemates, and while I like Kyrou, there's no arguing that he tends to be quite streaky.

I would love to see the Blues lose every game from here on out. If trading Buchnevich facilitates that and a team is willing to meet our price, then Armstrong shouldn't hesitate. We are a middling team that has a solid prospect pool but lacks high end talent. I have no doubt that Dvorsky and Snuggerud will be NHL players, but I don't see either reaching the level of Thomas. Neighbours has had a nice breakout season but aside from his play around the net, I find the rest of his game quite lacking. Bolduc needs more time in the AHL but I could see him carving out a decent career with his great shot. Dean will likely top out as a bottom six player but I like his playstyle even though his offensive numbers are unimpressive.

Imagine if we won the lottery and got to draft Celebrini. Or dropped low enough to snag a gamebreaker like Demidov. That would be huge for this team's future. I'm not very high on the D in this draft but would be happy with Silayev. Any one of these prospects could reshape our team's future drastically.
 

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What they honestly need is to get the best young defensive talent they possibly can in the pipeline and they need one of those guys to emerge as a true #1 defenseman, to overachieve perhaps. But that happens. It's a very special time in sports when a truly talented young player makes that leap, and when it happens on defense you transform into a contending team quickly. Consider the addition of Stevens and the 25 point leap during the no free points era. Consider how as soon as Pronger was the real deal the Blues were in it. Consider how the emergence of Pietrangelo allowed them to trade a #1 overall defenseman and how quickly the floor he provided allowed them to contend strongly for a decade. There's no magic bullet. They need talent and luck. Two of Canada's premier teams have foundered for a decade with top heavy offense and no stabilizing true #1 defenseman. As soon as the Blues decided not to have one they decided to rebuild. It was bananas but they did it. It is sitting right out in the open. Build from the D (and net) out.
 

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Really enjoyed AJ Mlezsko last night giving us the old empty headed "hyped names are truly great" type commentary. She literally stated that Faulk was a "great defensive defenseman" as he was getting just worked for brutal goals. I think it's because she knows Faulk is an NHL veteran, and all of them are great at their positions
 

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I wanted to quote the entire post, because it's a really good write-up of Parayko's game, but that's quoting a lot of text. The paragraph I am quoting really sums it up, though: Parayko needs someone else to step up for him to step up. He's what I call a submissive player: he generally plays to the level of whoever he's paired with, not much higher and not much lower. He's certainly not elevating the level of play of whoever he's paired with.

There's nothing wrong with that, you're probably going to have a few guys like that on your team and you try not to put them all together, but for what he could be if he'd put a chip on his shoulder and have a little nasty to his game, or put some focus on being offensive instead of a puck funneler, is what's maddening about him.
Parayko is a modest, polite man. He isn't going to become nasty because we want it.
 
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