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So blindly appeal to authority on everything or just this?
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The judge of that will be whether another coach gets more out of this same group.
Moose and Squirrel
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they've shown they CAN play better, but this roster.. ugh
they don't have the skill/personnel to play outside of a/the system
I already explained that in my post. Your fallacy means nothing.
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where's Krug's tree? 
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where's Krug's tree?
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They're looking for one shorter than him??
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Torey saw the tree and became insanely jealous of it's size, chest bumping it and challenging it to fight. After knocking it to the ground in triumph Blues staffers quickly got him a juice box and things calmed down enough to get him down for nappy time and they removed Krug's tree as a bidding item.-Probably-
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Thallis
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It's relitigating the Pietrangelo situation o'clock I guess, because Korac just wrote this tidbit: "I'm told $7.5 million AAV and a full NMC would have sealed Pietrangelo here." That's a more specific number than we've heard before and it does not make Armstrong look good.
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Sorry, Lou, I call bullshit on that. He says “I’m told” but fails to say who told him, or even explain whether or not Petro’s agent even made that as a counter offer. That is also $500k less than what Army explicitly stated was his final offer at the time. If the deal Korac refers to was out there, and Petro was willing to accept it, there is no way Army would have walked away from bringing him back for barely a league minimum salary less than what he paid Krug.
I have been told that Petro wasn’t coming back for anything less than a substantial overpayment because he had his mind set on moving on to a new challenge elsewhere. My version of “I’m told” has just as much credibility as his until he reveals his source for that claim. The whole thing was an opinion piece and that’s just his opinion unless he can explicitly quote the source.
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What Lou didn't mention is that he was told that by a homeless guy sleeping on a park bench outside of Enterprise Center.
STL fan in MN
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Lou obviously isn’t going to reveal his source but it’s hard to say the AAV this source says passes the sniff test. It just doesn’t make sense. Would’ve been better had he revealed something about the source. “A team source says…” “A source from Pietrangelo’s camp says…”
That said, I generally agree with the bulk of what Lou writes here. Army letting Petro get away was the beginning of the end and so many decisions after that one were blunders - bandaids trying to cobble together inferior replacement options after ripping the support beam (Petro) out of the team.
That said, I generally agree with the bulk of what Lou writes here. Army letting Petro get away was the beginning of the end and so many decisions after that one were blunders - bandaids trying to cobble together inferior replacement options after ripping the support beam (Petro) out of the team.
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I think we all agree, Petro leaving was the beginning of the end. I don't really know what to make of Korac's source, that just feels something that he was sitting on and waiting for this moment. Why not bring it up at that time or wait until players are retired and we can actually learn the full story.
If it really is true that Army's plan was to have Petro, Faulk, and Parayko, then he's a moron, and despite mistakes, he's not a moron. I think it's also been mentioned that Petro was offered a modified NMC, but Petro was probably just more worried about his final years, and that's when the modifications kick in where Army wouldn't need approval for every team in the league.
If it was just about money, I don't think there would've been an issue. It was also about bonus structure and a full NMC. And I have to imagine Army knew a NMC was something Petro's camp wasn't going to budge on as he made a move for Faulk.
If it really is true that Army's plan was to have Petro, Faulk, and Parayko, then he's a moron, and despite mistakes, he's not a moron. I think it's also been mentioned that Petro was offered a modified NMC, but Petro was probably just more worried about his final years, and that's when the modifications kick in where Army wouldn't need approval for every team in the league.
If it was just about money, I don't think there would've been an issue. It was also about bonus structure and a full NMC. And I have to imagine Army knew a NMC was something Petro's camp wasn't going to budge on as he made a move for Faulk.
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I agree we should take this with a grain of salt, but come on. Your "I heard" is no where near as valuable as the guy who covers the team for NHL.com. Say whatever you want about Korac but he is interacting with players and management almost daily. His "I heard" is a lot more valuable than any anonymous fan on a message board.
If, and it's a big if, Koracs # is true, it further solidifies the importance of the NMC (and bonus structure) to Pietro. You are saying it's not true because we are rumored to have offered more, but Army admits he did not offer an NMC. Pietro wanted out camp always downplays the NMC. But if this is true, it shows the NMC mattered more than money.
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Brian39
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At 5 on 5, he is not.
Kyrou's goals against per 60 at 5 on 5 is 4th best among Blues forwards this year. His expected goals against per 60 is best among all Blues forwards with 5+ games played. He is 2nd in high danger chances against per 60. All in all, he is a +1 at 5 on 5, which makes him one of just 4 Blues forwards who has a positive goal differential at 5 on 5.
Kyrou has moments where he gets completely lost in the D zone and it is obvious that he doesn't know where to go. He has those occasional "controller disconnect" moments. He absolutely still has room to improve his defensive play. His board play is borderline nonexistent. But he has been doing a lot of good things defensively and his negatives are coming from special teams.
He is a -4 when we have an empty net and only a +1 when the other team has an empty net. So 6 on 5 situations together have gotten him a -3 on the year because he plays way more when we have an empty net than when the other team has an empty net. He is also -3 on the PP (because you don't get a + when you score on the PP but you do take a - when the other team scores a shorty).
Special teams is the only reason he is a -4. This narrative that he's been a gigantic defensive liability this season is fiction.
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Now do his career as a whole. I wasn’t just talking about this season.
I’ve noticed his better two-way play this season. But it’s going to take a much larger sample size for me to forget how bad he was last season and a lot of previous seasons.
And now he’s snake bit offensively. Someday, my hope is to have a Kyrou that’s showing full defensive effort while also producing. I know he’s capable of it but will we ever see it? Idk
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Is anyone saying that he's always been good or even decent defensively throughout his career? None of the criticism in the last week from angry Blues fans has been couched in the notion that he's been good defensively this year but has historically been bad. No one has been saying that Berube got fired because Kyrou has been bad defensively in previous years. You were talking in present tense, suggesting that he is still getting scored on a lot. He is not.
As for production, I think his lack of production is currently being a touch overblown. His shooting percentage is way down and (like the entire team) he hasn't been getting it done on the PP. But he is genuinely contributing at 5 on 5. He's helped himself with two 5 on 5 points in the last 2 games, but all in all I bet his rankings in terms of 5 on 5 offense are better than most would expect.
His 15 points at 5 on 5 currently puts him in a 25 way tie for 47th in the NHL. Other notable players with 15 points at 5 on 5: Tavares, Pavelski, Stone, Barkov, Draisaitl, Fiala, Barzal, and Bratt. His six 5 on 5 goals has him in a 35 way tie for 70th. Other notable players with only six 5 on 5 goals are Eichel, McDavid, Horvat, Giroux, Byfield, Stamkos, Schenn, and Marchand.
He has more to give offensively. He is paid to be a guy who is top 25 in these metrics and that is where we have seen him finish in each of the last 2 seasons. I'm not saying this is all we should expect out of him offensively at 5 on 5. But I think he is closer to his 5 on 5 production than most people think when they see his raw totals. The issue is that he (and the entire team) hasn't gotten anything accomplished on the PP this year.
But he really hasn't sacrificed a ton offensively at 5 on 5 in order to achieve the drastically better defensive results. He's still generating a lot of shots and chances and a slight bump in shooting percentage would have him right around where we should expect.
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I'm less inclined to blame the FO for Pietrangelo compared to panic extending Scandella instead of taking time to find an actual replacement for Bouwmeester.
Scandella's contract, compounded with Krug's, is more of a problem than having to rely on Parayko to eat a majority of Pietrangelo's minutes defensively.
Scandella's contract, compounded with Krug's, is more of a problem than having to rely on Parayko to eat a majority of Pietrangelo's minutes defensively.
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Just don't put Kyrou with Schenn 5v5. We'll be good.
Kyrou+Schenn 3.35 GA/60
Kyrou w/o Schenn 2.45 GA/60
Schenn w/o Kyrou 4.23 GA/60
Kyrou+Schenn 3.35 GA/60
Kyrou w/o Schenn 2.45 GA/60
Schenn w/o Kyrou 4.23 GA/60
Thallis
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If it's true it would mean that the final dollar amount was not as important to him as the full NMC which was never offered. From the reporting at the time I don't think that's implausible. We do know that it was a sticking point for Armstrong.
Thallis
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Schenn has been an analytics black hole for a while now.
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No matter what gets reported, each side is going to stick to what it swears to God has to be true and anything that might contradict that is going to get ignored.
I've long had my own thoughts on this, and I think you can look at certain things that happened along the way and ask questions about how it fits into the entire situation and how things did or didn't play out,, but again ... unless people are willing to come off their hard position on whichever side, it's pointless to go through all that.
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5V5 GA/60
2018-19 2.02 GA/60 (16 games)
2019-20 2.66 GA/60 (28 games)
2020-21 3.03 GA/60
2021-22 2.65 GA/60
2022-23 3.86 GA/60
2023-24 2.83 GA/60
He still needs to be better defensively, no questions about that, but last year seems more of an outlier than this year being the outlier.
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