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MS said:
Schneider badly outmanaged Boone tonight.

This is, what, the 3rd time this year Guerrero has walked off a game in extras when he could have been walked with 1B open?
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Sounds about right.

That being said the depth of the Jays line up with Kirk behind Vladdy gets into other teams' heads.

Still. Put Vladdy on at 1st and with Kirk behind him, that could increase the double play chance.
 
MS said:
Schneider badly outmanaged Boone tonight.

This is, what, the 3rd time this year Guerrero has walked off a game in extras when he could have been walked with 1B open?
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Kirk is also a Yankee killer though. A base hit from Kirk (who has a higher avg than Vlad) and the result is the same

With NYY, it was a no brainer to walk Judge to get the lefty on lefty matchup against the streaky Rizzo
 
Clutch hit by Vlad. We will need those in October.
Also great decision by Schnieder to walk Judge. Absolutely the right thing to do. He doesn't care about the feelings of the Yankees fanbase, he cares about getting a win. It takes some guts to change the pitcher and than intentionally walk the next hitter anyways.
Schnieder earned his keep today
 
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stickty111 said:
Clutch hit by Vlad. We will need those in October.
Also great decision by Schnieder to walk Judge. Absolutely the right thing to do. He doesn't care about the feelings of the Yankees fanbase, he cares about getting a win. It takes some guts to change the pitcher and than intentionally walk the next hitter anyways.
Schnieder earned his keep today
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When Bonds was going for his HR chase, I remember saying teams (managers and pitchers) were a bunch of wussies not pitching to him, even if it was a blowout score or near the end when the Giants were eliminated from pre-season contention.

This is the opposite of that, where the Jays are right in the thick of things and every game still matters. It's not their duty to let Judge have a chance to tie the record in the 10th with the game at a critical juncture. Yankees fans can be butthurt all they want. Judge should have done something in his four previous plate appearances then.
 
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Judge is by far the most dangerous bat in their lineup. Rizzo, Torres, Stanton are much easier to deal with than him. Yankee fans can be mad all they want at Judge being walked but what do they think will happen if they run into the Astros?
 


Boone did the same thing to Cabrera in April when he was at 2999 hits.

Also had the same reasoning as why Schneider wanted Mayza vs Rizzo to getting Luetge vs Meadows;

Boone explained the thought process behind the move after the game. "We got a lot of respect for Meadows behind [Cabrera]," Boone told reporters. "The left-on-left, I felt like I just liked the matchup a little bit better in that situation and it came down to a baseball call for me there.
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Cabrera also hit his 500th HR vs Toronto in 2021.

 
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MAB1 said:
Judge is by far the most dangerous bat in their lineup. Rizzo, Torres, Stanton are much easier to deal with than him. Yankee fans can be mad all they want at Judge being walked but what do they think will happen if they run into the Astros?
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Yeah, that's the beauty of the way the Jays lineup is constructed. It's Judge (208 wRC+) then a MASSIVE dropoff to Rizzo (a still-excellent 136) and then no one above 120. Walking Judge in a situation like that will always be the right call, and given the dropoff beyond Rizzo, walking Rizzo to get to whoever's next probably makes a lot of sense, too.

Meanwhile, the Jays leader is only at a 134 wRC+ (Kirk), but Matt Chapman is at 122... and he's in seventh. There aren't many situations where the IBB makes much sense because, other than a couple guys at the bottom of the lineup, there's not much of a dropoff. It's just a really well-balanced, tough lineup.

Boone drives me nuts, but I thought it was the right call last night. The Jays basically needed a single to win the game. Walking Vlad to get to the guy with the highest average on the team would have been a terrible decision.
 
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Discoverer said:
Yeah, that's the beauty of the way the Jays lineup is constructed. It's Judge (208 wRC+) then a MASSIVE dropoff to Rizzo (a still-excellent 136) and then no one above 120. Walking Judge in a situation like that will always be the right call, and given the dropoff beyond Rizzo, walking Rizzo to get to whoever's next probably makes a lot of sense, too.

Meanwhile, the Jays leader is only at a 134 wRC+ (Kirk), but Matt Chapman is at 122... and he's in seventh. There aren't many situations where the IBB makes much sense because, other than a couple guys at the bottom of the lineup, there's not much of a dropoff. It's just a really well-balanced, tough lineup.

Boone drives me nuts, but I thought it was the right call last night. The Jays basically needed a single to win the game. Walking Vlad to get to the guy with the highest average on the team would have been a terrible decision.
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Discoverer said:
Yeah, that's the beauty of the way the Jays lineup is constructed. It's Judge (208 wRC+) then a MASSIVE dropoff to Rizzo (a still-excellent 136) and then no one above 120. Walking Judge in a situation like that will always be the right call, and given the dropoff beyond Rizzo, walking Rizzo to get to whoever's next probably makes a lot of sense, too.

Meanwhile, the Jays leader is only at a 134 wRC+ (Kirk), but Matt Chapman is at 122... and he's in seventh. There aren't many situations where the IBB makes much sense because, other than a couple guys at the bottom of the lineup, there's not much of a dropoff. It's just a really well-balanced, tough lineup.

Boone drives me nuts, but I thought it was the right call last night. The Jays basically needed a single to win the game. Walking Vlad to get to the guy with the highest average on the team would have been a terrible decision.
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Do you walk Vladdy and Kirk to face Chapman?
 
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Do you walk Vladdy and Kirk to face Chapman?
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Looking just at the individual hitters' numbers and ignoring any matchup stuff... no.

Vlad's hitting .276, so you could view that as his odds of getting a hit to bring in the run.
Kirk is hitting .292, so his odds are a bit better.
But if you walk them both, Chapman doesn't need a hit to bring the run in... a BB/HBP would do it, too, and he has a .327 OBP.

Factor in secondary things caused by having the bases loaded like a potential wild pitch/passed ball, the pitcher desperately needing to throw strikes, etc., and I think what they did was the right call, though pitching to Kirk instead of Vlad wouldn't have been egregious by any means. It was going to be a tough spot regardless.
 
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