WJC: 2022 Team Canada Roster Talk

[Mathieukferland]

It's a joke that Carter Savoie wasn't invited. He's scoring a goal a game in Div 1 hockey.

The Clarke omission seems a (stupid) hockey decision, but my guess is with the Savoie brothers there is some petty political dynamic involved; anyone with anymore back story in that?

 

[CapsFans]

It's a joke that Carter Savoie wasn't invited. He's scoring a goal a game in Div 1 hockey.

For sure I don't know what HC has against the Savoie brothers. Must have found something they didn't like when they were investigating Matthew for exceptional status.

 

[covfefe]

I think there’s a bit of an overreaction. The only notable surprises to be named to the selection camp are Tverberg and Iorio in my honest opinion.

Canada has an embarrassment of riches. The 2020 draft was real deep to boot. I don’t think the difference between winning and losing is going to be having Cuylle make the selection camp over Savoie.

It's less about one particular guy. And more about asking yourself - why are we omitting a kid from camp who is leading the best jr league in the world in scoring? At the very least, give him the reps in camp and let him come in guns blazing next year.

There is simply no good reason to completely omit Savoie from camp. He would be the best player on many of the teams in this tournament. I'm very hard pressed to believe that he wouldn't stand out playing against us in some alternate universe where he was Swiss/Finnish/Czech...


And there's also the fact that we got shut out in the gold medal game last year and probably shouldn't be limiting our team offense.

The Clarke omission seems a (stupid) hockey decision, but my guess is with the Savoie brothers there is some petty political dynamic involved; anyone with anymore back story in that?

Well, HC doesn't love when high end kids go to the NCAA, which Carter did. And I suspect they didn't like Matt going to get reps in the USHL last year vs. playing in the watered down non-import WHL. Past that, I don't have any unique insights, but would also love to hear if anyone else does.

 

[Morgs]

I think there’s a bit of an overreaction. The only notable surprises to be named to the selection camp are Tverberg and Iorio in my honest opinion.

Canada has an embarrassment of riches. The 2020 draft was real deep to boot. I don’t think the difference between winning and losing is going to be having Cuylle make the selection camp over Savoie.

And even then if he makes the team people are gonna wonder how they've never heard of the guy when they watch him play. 16 points (9 goals) in 14 games for UConn as a Sophomore. Strong division, weak team, and he's crushing it.

Not saying it isn't a surprise for me too (idk how Savoie(s) and Clarke didn't at least get an invite), but it is well deserved if you're putting this season into perspective.

 

[Statsy]

Team of players not invited to the selection camp:

C.Savoie M.Savoie Wisdom
Othman A.Fantilli Perreault
Milne Kidney Mclennon
Bolduc Korczak Stillman

Poirier Clarke
Allan Tourigny
Mateychuk Nelson

Milic
Gaudreau
Brennan

ExtrasL L'Heureux, Pinelli, Benning, Ceulemans

I included Perreault because he wasn't invited to the U.S. selection camp.

Whoa! Now I’m upset by a couple names left off of your all-snub team!
This is honestly the best way to illustrate just how hard it is to pick a Canadian WJC team.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

It's less about one particular guy. And more about asking yourself - why are we omitting a kid from camp who is leading the best jr league in the world in scoring? At the very least, give him the reps in camp and let him come in guns blazing next year.

There is simply no good reason to completely omit Savoie from camp. He would be the best player on many of the teams in this tournament. I'm very hard pressed to believe that he wouldn't stand out playing against us in some alternate universe where he was Swiss/Finnish/Czech...


And there's also the fact that we got shut out in the gold medal game last year and probably shouldn't be limiting our team offense.

Using “best player on many teams in the tournament” argument is dumb. TC has dozens of kids that were omitted from the SC that would fit the same description.
Team Canada is so deep, and with Savoie he is small, only 17 and a pure offense machine. If Canada didn’t envision him being a top-6 forward for the team, he doesn’t have a place on the team in all honesty.
If i’m not mistaken Canada had to announce a smaller selection camp than usual so naturally there are going to be some notable names left off the Selection camp roster. It’s unfortunate but its the situation we’re in.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

Hockey Canada is just as petty as USA Hockey.

 

[Mikeshane]

Disappointed that M Savoie and Brandt Clarke aren't invited. Maybe it's the right call with Savoie being so young but I don't get it with Clarke not even being invited to camp.

 

[Dominance]

Using “best player on many teams in the tournament” argument is dumb. TC has dozens of kids that were omitted from the SC that would fit the same description.
Team Canada is so deep, and with Savoie he is small, only 17 and a pure offense machine. If Canada didn’t envision him being a top-6 forward for the team, he doesn’t have a place on the team in all honesty.
If i’m not mistaken Canada had to announce a smaller selection camp than usual so naturally there are going to be some notable names left off the Selection camp roster. It’s unfortunate but its the situation we’re in.

That’s not true at all, and he plays bigger than most of the players invited. It’s inexcusable.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

That’s not true at all, and he plays bigger than most of the players invited. It’s inexcusable.

How many 17 year olds have had good tournaments for Canada in the past 20 years?
I count 3.

1. McDavid (Generational)
2. Crosby (Generational)
3. Ellis (Arguably TC best Defender in WJC history)

There are arguments that can be made for Stamkos too.

That’s it though.

This tournament is DOMINATED by 19 year olds and to a lesser extent 18 year olds.

Savoie will be on the team next year - Its a year early.

The bigger omission as a forward is Tucker Robertson. Who I haven’t seen brought up once. Guy is one of the best players in the OHL.

Canada has the best team in the tournament and are favourites to win Gold with or without Savoie on the team. Simple as that.

 

[CapsFans]

Whoa! Now I’m upset by a couple names left off of your all-snub team!
This is honestly the best way to illustrate just how hard it is to pick a Canadian WJC team.

Lol for real it's hard to make everyone happy, I could have forget a couple of guys, I threw that team together pretty quickly.

 

[Boonk]

Hockey Canada is just as petty as USA Hockey.

They should duel in a gold medal game for pettiness off the ice

 

[93LEAFS]

It's less about one particular guy. And more about asking yourself - why are we omitting a kid from camp who is leading the best jr league in the world in scoring? At the very least, give him the reps in camp and let him come in guns blazing next year.

There is simply no good reason to completely omit Savoie from camp. He would be the best player on many of the teams in this tournament. I'm very hard pressed to believe that he wouldn't stand out playing against us in some alternate universe where he was Swiss/Finnish/Czech...


And there's also the fact that we got shut out in the gold medal game last year and probably shouldn't be limiting our team offense.

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Well, HC doesn't love when high end kids go to the NCAA, which Carter did. And I suspect they didn't like Matt going to get reps in the USHL last year vs. playing in the watered down non-import WHL. Past that, I don't have any unique insights, but would also love to hear if anyone else does.

When did the WHL become the best JR league in the world? Over recent history the best talent producing region in Canada has been Ontario. Especially when it applies to high scoring forwards.

 

[BadgerBruce]

When did the WHL become the best JR league in the world? Over recent history the best talent producing region in Canada has been Ontario. Especially when it applies to high scoring forwards.

Well, to be fair, the CHL is (technically) a league and nobody in the CHL has more points than M. Savoie.

 

[EichelFan15]

When did the WHL become the best JR league in the world? Over recent history the best talent producing region in Canada has been Ontario. Especially when it applies to high scoring forwards.

I can’t believe that’s what you key on in that post. He could talking about the CHL as a whole too eh

 

[93LEAFS]

I can’t believe that’s what you key on in that post. He could talking about the CHL as a whole too eh

Comparing across CHL leagues is generally pretty pointless. And, I believe, Roy has as many points, more goals, and in less games in the QMJHL,

 

[EichelFan15]

Comparing across CHL leagues is generally pretty pointless. And, I believe, Roy has as many points, more goals, and in less games in the QMJHL,

Didn’t hear anyone ask about goals or games played..

 

[93LEAFS]

The Clarke omission seems a (stupid) hockey decision, but my guess is with the Savoie brothers there is some petty political dynamic involved; anyone with anymore back story in that?

They omit highly regarded U-18 players all the time. Marner and Strome finished 1 and 2 in total points in the OHL in 2014-15 and didn't even get camp invites for 2015. They didn't take Seguin when he led the OHL in points in 2009-10. Didn't take RNH the year he ended up going 1OA in 2011. They didn't take Tavares at 16, the year he scored 72 goals in the OHL. This is just typical Hockey Canada.

 

[93LEAFS]

Didn’t hear anyone ask about goals or games played..

Those are typically the tiebreakers for determining the leading scorer.

 

[cmcneil02]

I know making this isn't going to make some people happy, I'm not an expert but I gave it a shot, really struggled with the 2nd-3rd line right wing roles.

Johnson | McTavish | Guenther
Neighbours | Greig | Sourdif
Perfetti | Wright | Bourgault
Lapierre | Desnoyers | Bedard
Finley, Cuylle

Guhle | Sebrango
Power | Seeley
Cormier | Hunt
Zellweger, Thompson

Garand
Cossa/Brochu

f-cuts: bourque, dufour, roy, stankoven, tverberg, dean, evangelista
d-cuts: o'rourke, lambos, iorio,

 

[covfefe]

When did the WHL become the best JR league in the world? Over recent history the best talent producing region in Canada has been Ontario. Especially when it applies to high scoring forwards.

Talking whole CHL my man. He’s T-1 in points. Something is up when you fade the 17 year old CHL point leader from a camp invite.

Agreed, OHL is the talent hotbed. I think we’ve chatted this previously - I’m an ON guy originally.

 

[93LEAFS]

Talking whole CHL my man. He’s T-1 in points. Something is up when you fade the 17 year old CHL point leader from a camp invite.

Agreed, OHL is the talent hotbed. I think we’ve chatted this previously - I’m an ON guy originally.

They do pretty close to that often. I don't remember the exact numbers at the WJC point, but Marner and Strome had the 2nd and 3rd highest PPG in the OHL (behind this guy called McDavid) and didn't get invites. Seguin got cut the year he led the OHL in points, Tavares got cut the year he scored 72 goals. I don't think its some conspiracy, its more Hockey Canada doing things Hockey Canada does. Hall either got cut or didn't get an invite at 17. RNH got cut at 17. Wright got an invite because of camp last year, and his U-18's. They tend to be very conservative on taking U-18 year players. Only time it seemed they weren't was the Hunter year they took Byfield and Drysdale.

 

[newfy]

Bedard is the most egregious selection. The kid flat out didn’t earn it. Meanwhile, guys like Clarke and Othmann are lighting it up a year after being first round picks and can’t get into the camp. Savoie is lighting it up as a draft eligible and doesn’t make it.

Spoken like someone who didnt watch the u18s last year. Bedard was getting an invite to this camp as soon as that tournament was done no matter what he did to start this year. He was Canadas best player (arguably) and was dominant in the medal rounds. 20 games this year (where he still has 11 goals) wasnt going to change that after his season and u18 last year. Othmann was on that team and Bedard blew him away, as a younger player and is a major corner stone piece of Canadian hockey going forward.

Inviting Bedard was a no brainer

 

[Statsy]

Spoken like someone who didnt watch the u18s last year. Bedard was getting an invite to this camp as soon as that tournament was done no matter what he did to start this year. He was Canadas best player (arguably) and was dominant in the medal rounds. 20 games this year (where he still has 11 goals) wasnt going to change that after his season and u18 last year. Othmann was on that team and Bedard blew him away, as a younger player and is a major corner stone piece of Canadian hockey going forward.

Inviting Bedard was a no brainer

Yes, you hit the nail on the head. We’re also not just talking about the that one U18 tournament either, as he was already a special exemption player before that, meaning there is a larger body of work of him dominating the competition. It also needs to be pointed out that he is actually leading the league in shots, so the lower scoring output early on is a bit of a red herring. If we’re talking about basing this on merit, then you take a wider view of the situation than a mere 20 game stint, and if we’re looking for upside potential, then he’s your guy by a mile.

 

[thrillhous]

I can’t believe that’s what you key on in that post. He could talking about the CHL as a whole too eh

Haha yeah no kidding. Must defend all things OHL and Leafs at all cost, even when there wasn’t anything to defend against.