2022 Stanley Cup Favourite #4
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People voting for Florida is hilarious.
No - the team who hasn't won a single playoff series in 25 years and who has only qualified for the playoffs once in the last 5 years isn't the 4th favorite to win the Stanley Cup...
People voting for Florida is hilarious.
No - the team who hasn't won a single playoff series in 25 years and who has only qualified for the playoffs once in the last 5 years isn't the 4th favorite to win the Stanley Cup...
Buck Naked
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Different team now. If not for Tampa, Florida would've won at least a round last season.
If not for Tampa they'd have won a round?
Sure. And if not for Habs, Leafs win a round
And if not for Jets, Oilers win a round
And if not for Islanders, Pens win a round
Etc.
But they didn't. For 25 years now.
What’s hilarious is the idiotic “they haven’t won a round in x years” comment. I guess I’ll vote for Nashville, San Jose, and New Jersey over Toronto if that’s the case, since they’ve had better success in the playoffs, even if I don’t believe it to be true at all. And Montreal should have a better chance since they made the SCFs last year, right? That has ZERO relevance to what a team can do THIS season.
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AhosDatsyukian
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Maybe, maybe not. They don't beat the Canes in round 1 if that's the matchup. Maybe they beat Nashville but I don't think that would've been a guarantee
Originally voted Vegas, but changed my vote to Florida after reading the comments.
Buck Naked
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It’s not 100% certain everything clicks from day one. Feels like people here think so though. The loser culture is still strong in Sunrise.
Montreal should be given a lot of credit for doing so well in the playoffs last year, and even the year prior. So yes - that should count. Should it count enough for them to be voted here, or soon? Well - no. I get there's a ton of question marks for Montreal's roster, so I'm not here trying to advocate for my team to be voted in now. But their recent playoff success does count, yes. And it should probably gain them at least 5-10 ranks in the final votes vs where they would have been had they been out in round 1 last year. Doesn't mean they'll be voted in 4th though, probably closer to ~12th to 15th I predict.
San Jose has sucked for a while. New Jersey too. They're bad examples. Nashville has been trending downwards for a while, also bad example.
I think recent success should absolutely matter, as it gives credence to how consistent you expect a team/roster to be in future.
Florida - hasn't won a playoff series in the past 4 years (when I say past 25, it's just to mock them - past 4 years though, 100% relevant to discussion at hand). They only made the playoffs once in past 4 years. Does that inspire enough confidence to say they definitely make the playoffs this year and are a top contender to win it all? Nope.
Teams with recent playoff success - or more consistent regular season success - should be voted above them imo. Teams like Pittsburgh, Washington, Boston, Carolina, etc. Even Dallas in the west made the finals 2 years ago, and lots of playoff rounds won in recent years, or Blues who won cup 3 years ago. I'm not saying all those teams necessarily have to be ahead of Florida - but many of them should.
Until Florida proves me wrong and manages to qualify for the playoffs again, and mostly show some level of playoff success - I simply don't buy them as a credible threat to win the cup.
So since Montreal made the finals, they deserve credit? A COVID-related season, and a whole off-season of changes plays zero into that I guess.
So if Florida finishes with 110 points, and plays Montreal in the first round, who finished with 90 points, Montreal would be favored since they made the Finals last season?
No, Florida not winning a round in X amount of years has no relevance going into this season. They aren’t the same team they were 10 years ago, or five years ago, or even last season. Those teams you listed aren’t a better team than Florida going into THIS season. THE UPCOMING SEASON. You think I care what Pittsburgh or Washington has done? They don’t deserve to be ahead of the Panthers because they do not have better teams than the Panthers do going into THIS season. Yes, let’s rank teams as to what they did in years past, than what the teams rosters, coaches, management, owners, etc. look like going into this season. I’m sure that’s how it should be looked at lol
Seriously guys, it's completely ridiculous to believe that a relatively young up-and-coming team that finished 4th in the regular season standings last year and lost their best defenceman before falling to the eventual repeat Cup champs in the first round could possibly be ranked this high. We all know that goaltending has been the achilles heel for this franchise for years now and its not like some young stud could just step in and solidify that position.
So if they won a series 24 years ago could we rank them this high? Or if they got bounced in 4 games five years ago?
I think for this coming season Florida is in a good position to go far. Deep team with key talents in the RIGHT areas. Of course Knight is a great prospect goalie so still question marks there but many believe the Panthers are in a GOOD position going forward. That said I voted Carolina
So if they won a series 24 years ago could we rank them this high? Or if they got bounced in 4 games five years ago?
I think for this coming season Florida is in a good position to go far. Deep team with key talents in the RIGHT areas. Of course Knight is a great prospect goalie so still question marks there but many believe the Panthers are in a GOOD position going forward. That said I voted Carolina
I addressed this in my post further down. The 25 years is mostly to mock Florida - but the past 4 years is absolutely relevant.
Carolina - past 4 years made round 3 once, round 2 twice, and playoffs each year.
Florida - past 4 years made playoffs once, and never past round 1.
Yeah - I think recent track record is absolutely relevant when making predictions going into the new year. Maybe when we get to the ~10th place or so it starts to matter less, but for the 4th most likely team to win the cup? Give me teams who have a more proven recent track record of making the playoffs and winning some rounds, above a completely unproven one.
Good arguments Bob, but I feel Barkov and Huberdeau in addition to their depth will make some noise this coming year and playoffs. I would predict them in 7th I think after Carolina and Las Vegas here, so maybe closer to your ranking anyways
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You realize I didn't say Montreal should be voted ahead of Florida, right? What I said is Montreal's final appearance helps their case.
Hypothetically Montreal is out in round 1 last year - this year they get voted ~20th.
Because they made the final last year - they should be voted in higher, probably ~12th to 15th. If you don't agree with the exact numbers, add a few.
Pittsburgh's core has shown they can get hot and win in the playoffs. Even Caps have, despite many failures. Carolina has. Boston certainly has. Dallas. St Louis. Vegas definitely. etc
Florida hasn't. Not 10 or 5 years ago - just in the past ~3-4 years alone. I'm not convinced they can put it together to win playoff rounds.
Whose going to win the Art Ross next year according to you? McDavid, who has shown he wins or contends every year? Or Lafreniere because of 'talent' even though he's not proven anything yet? You take the proven guys first. Same idea with team success
I'd personally put Vegas, Carolina, Boston, Pittsburgh and maybe Washington above them too. And considering this is all eastern teams mostly, may have to take 1 or 2 western teams too, but I think the West is weaker. I'd have them closer to 10th myself.
We'll see how Knight does. Maybe he kills it, but goalies his age usually take a few years to really hit their stride. And after last few years, not sure I trust in Bob at all anymore.
T REX
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Dude, you are constantly upset about Montreal. Listen, no one thinks your team is very good.
Montreal had ONE cinderella run and got smacked around in the finals.
Please stop this Montreal baloney. You got some lucky bounces.
No one is slighting you because you just aren't very good.
Florida would crush Montreal. Badly I might add.
That's cool - but I'm not suggesting Montreal should be voted here or even ahead of Florida? This is strictly about Florida. He brought up Montreal, so I give my opinion on them. I'm not upset in anyway about Montreal. In my opinion, Montreal probably belongs around ~12th to 15th on this list. But I expect HF will vote them in lower. This thread isn't about Montreal though, way too soon.
For #4 - Florida has no case. If you want to argue that they do - that's cool, feel free to, and feel free to respond to some of my comments above where I explain my reasoning as to why they don't
For some reason, you take zero account into what a team actually does in the present time, and just want to use history as your main argument. The 1997 Florida Marlins won the World Series, then pawned off the whole team, but going by your argument, that shouldn’t be taken into account. How ridiculous does that sound???
Going into THIS SEASON, Florida has a better overall team than Montreal, Boston, Pittsburgh, Washington. But since those teams have had more playoffs success than the Panthers, anything else to take into consideration is irrelevant. Yeah, that sounds about right lol
Florida has gone through pages full of changes since pretty much their inception. To argue playoff success with this teams past was never important because playoff success was never important to prior owners. This team, coaching staff, management, and ownership are all on the same page, for the first time in its history, and that is fact, not the same crap you are posting.
T REX
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They played us tough and added pieces. Q is a great coach.
I go by what I see on the ice. They are contenders whether you like it or not.
It's hard not to see them knocking on the door. I think your finals trip has really deluded you into thinking that is the real Habs. I get it...it's gotta be tough.
