Post-Game Talk: 2022 NHL Playoffs - Round 2: Tampa Bay Lightning vs. Florida Panthers | 4-0 WIN

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Except home ice is supposed to be an advantage and for the Lightning's pivotal home games, one is at a time guys aren't used to playing and the other the next day. No excuses though - if they want to move on, obviously they have to manage. For all the mention of how this could be the best 2nd round match up, seems somewhat surprising that this series would get questionable scheduling but then again it is hockey in the sunshine state, and therefore taboo.

Lot of bellyaching in this thread about something that hits both teams the same.

I assume the Pantsers whiner fans are over there saying "The road is already a disadvantage and we have to play one at a time guys aren't used to playing and the other the next day. Not fair." Over here we've got you guys.

Suck it up, folks.

I don't like B2B's because they make for worse hockey, tired guys not playing their best, and I prefer my hockey to be of the highest quality. Competitive disadvantage, though? Nah.
 

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Seems odd for Coop to run Cirelli and Stammer on the same line with Point down. Those two are 1C and 2C without Pointer
Where did you see that?

I'm thinking either Kuch - Cirelli - Palat or more interesting Kuch - Stammer - Colton.
 

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I think we see Hagel on the 2nd line. He was productive there in Chicago.

So, how about Palat-Stamkos-Kuch, Killorn-Cirelli-Hagel, Paul-Colton-Perry. Plus Maroon and Bellemare and seven defensemen.

This will be Hagel's 30th game with Tampa, so he's had a good opportunity now to get integrated. The extra minutes and extra pressure might break him out of his rut a little bit.
 
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But it hits both teams the same way no? So in that sense it’s fair.
Yes, but our boys need the rest more than the Panthers do. Panthers have gotten an extra few days closing their series out in 6. Tampa has played more hockey than anyone over a two year span. Our team is relatively old. You could see the fatigue showing alot this year.

A b2b could spell a pretty sloppy game 4.

Anything could happen but I'm all about as much rest as possible for them
 
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Who do we call up as the 12th forward?
(If we don't run 7 D). I think our forwards are too fatigued to run 11, specially if rumours of Kuch dealing with something
 

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Seems odd for Coop to run Cirelli and Stammer on the same line with Point down. Those two are 1C and 2C without Pointer
I think it's because Matthews ate Stamkos and Kucherov up. He wants a more defensive center to protect them, and somebody with speed.
 
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Wasn’t Smith snatched on waivers by Detroit to be with his brother? Also, until Syracuse is knocked out I doubt we are bringing anyone in.
 

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But it hits both teams the same way no? So in that sense it’s fair.
At the very least it dilutes the product on the ice. Gotta let teams recover, and better prepare for the next game.
Seems odd for Coop to run Cirelli and Stammer on the same line with Point down. Those two are 1C and 2C without Pointer
Cirelli was with Stammer after Point went down in Game 7. Coop was rolling 91-71-86 and 18-20-17 in the 3rd.
Wasn’t Smith snatched on waivers by Detroit to be with his brother? Also, until Syracuse is knocked out I doubt we are bringing anyone in.
They put him back on waivers and we got him back.
 
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Yes, but our boys need the rest more than the Panthers do. Panthers have gotten an extra few days closing their series out in 6. Tampa has played more hockey than anyone over a two year span. Our team is relatively old. You could see the fatigue showing alot this year.

A b2b could spell a pretty sloppy game 4.

Anything could happen but I'm all about as much rest as possible for them
We stress this stuff far more than the players and coaching staffs do. Coop's quote sums it up pretty well.

While it is true that we have played more hockey than anyone else in the past two years and that that has to have exacted some cost, it is also true that no team has more experience in how to manage the playoff grind.
 
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Lot of bellyaching in this thread about something that hits both teams the same.

I assume the Pantsers whiner fans are over there saying "The road is already a disadvantage and we have to play one at a time guys aren't used to playing and the other the next day. Not fair." Over here we've got you guys.

Suck it up, folks.

I don't like B2B's because they make for worse hockey, tired guys not playing their best, and I prefer my hockey to be of the highest quality. Competitive disadvantage, though? Nah.

I would argue that back-to-backs are sort of similar to doubleheaders in baseball in that it's really difficult to win both games, and so having both games at home for us is probably the worst set-up because it's hard to see us winning both home games, making it more paramount than it already was to snag at least one of the games in Sunrise. The fairest situation would've likely been splitting the back-to-back between the two cities.

That said, I'm mostly in agreement here. If that's the schedule, then find a way to deal with it.
 

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We often suck at the first game of B2B, but play great the second one (at least I feel it's that way). Don't care tho. Neither do our boys I am sure.
Don't want to make B2B games our copium, just like TOR and referees.
 
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That was the second least stressful game of the playoffs so far, behind Game 2 vs. Toronto.
 

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I would argue that back-to-backs are sort of similar to doubleheaders in baseball in that it's really difficult to win both games, and so having both games at home for us is probably the worst set-up because it's hard to see us winning both home games, making it more paramount than it already was to snag at least one of the games in Sunrise. The fairest situation would've likely been splitting the back-to-back between the two cities.

That said, I'm mostly in agreement here. If that's the schedule, then find a way to deal with it.

This is one of those logical fallacies that's popular because people are bad with statistics.

It's hard to win ANY set of two games because you have to ... win two games. Which is harder than winning just one game. The odds of your team sweeping a double-header, assuming an even matchup, would be just one in four. The other possibilities are a split (two out of four) and the other team sweeps (one out of four). Same as if you picked any set of two games separated by a day or weeks or a month, assuming of course an even matchup.

That's logically why people fall into this trap. If you want actual stats, here you go: Doubleheader Sweeps | MLBSweeps.com

If there were truth to the claim that it's particularly difficult to sweep a doubleheader, the stats would skewed vs their expected values. That is, rather than 50% of the time you get a sweep and the other 50% of the time you get a split, it would be the case that splits happen at a higher rate and sweeps at a lower rate. But that's not what those numbers show -- 50.87% of the time it's been a sweep, and 49.13% of the time it's been a split. Which is basically 50-50.

So again, stop with the whining people. It's a bad look.
 
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Game 2 is important because of how poorly we play at home in our first home game of a series. Since Cooper was hired (not to rag on him, just to establish a time frame) here are some playoff numbers:

27-21 at home
10-12 first game of a series
5-13 first home game of a series (Since 17/18 we're 2-7 in these games)

The win tonight is included in the "first game of a series" figure. The games from the bubble are included for "first game of a series" but not first home game (or overall home record) since nobody really had a home game.

As most know, we're awful in our first home game, but clearly get much better as the series goes on. That's why tonight's win was so big.
 
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