2022 Line Combinations

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I am hoping Robertson gets a look next game with the new cap space. Nothing against Engvall but I'd sit him for a game. Malgin hasn't been great but he hasn't been a liability either so I'm ok to keep him in. 4th line was also effective tonight so I'd keep those 3 in.

Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Robertson-Kerfoot-Nylander
Malgin-Tavares-Jarnkrok
Zar-Kampf-Nak
 
For next game:

Nylander Matthews Marner
Robertson Tavares Bunting
Engvall Kerfoot Jarnkrok
Aston-Reese Kämpf Aubé-Kubel
 
For next game:

Nylander Matthews Marner
Robertson Tavares Bunting
Engvall Kerfoot Jarnkrok
Aston-Reese Kämpf Aubé-Kubel

love it.........

honestly i would shake up that 4th line with anything. they have been pretty bad ..
 
It's kind of insane that we have only 1 player in the top 60 for NHL scoring right now (Nylander, 59th).

I can't remember ever seeing that in any of the last 5 years, even with small sample sizes.

Auston Matthes is currently 171st, despite having 2 or 3 games more than some names above him. He's in the range of Sean Durzi, Pavel Zacha and Sean Monahan. On pace for a 16g year.

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Obviously this won't last, but at what point do we go "okay, let's switch it up"?


I would go....

Robertson - AM - Nylander
Bunting - Tavares - Marner
Malgin - Kerfoot - Jarnkrok
Engvall - Kampf - ZAR/NAK

4th line needs help, and AM needs other shooting options so defenders stop cheating to take away his shot.
 
4th line has been surprisingly trash. I thought they hyphens would come in here and hit everything that moved and really crank the energy levels up. They have been invisible and their possession numbers are god awful.

Not that they'll make a huge difference in the long run, I just expected waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more.
 
The teams finishing/PP is a little rusty but underlying numbers are pretty great overall with the big 4s combos:

5v5 xGF%:

Matthews/Marner together: 62.54
Tavares/Nylander together: 56.64

With Robertson looking great after his first game to finish off the 2nd line, the 3rd line looking decent and it being ludicrous to even think about splitting up the top 3 line in the league from last season, the top 9 is set for for a bit and have to focus on getting that 4th line chemistry going.

ZAR/Kampf/Simmonds is worth a shot now I think.
 
It's kind of insane that we have only 1 player in the top 60 for NHL scoring right now (Nylander, 59th).

I can't remember ever seeing that in any of the last 5 years, even with small sample sizes.

Auston Matthes is currently 171st, despite having 2 or 3 games more than some names above him. He's in the range of Sean Durzi, Pavel Zacha and Sean Monahan. On pace for a 16g year.

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Obviously this won't last, but at what point do we go "okay, let's switch it up"?


I would go....

Robertson - AM - Nylander
Bunting - Tavares - Marner
Malgin - Kerfoot - Jarnkrok
Engvall - Kampf - ZAR/NAK

4th line needs help, and AM needs other shooting options so defenders stop cheating to take away his shot.
Great point here on the 1st line. Other teams are zeroing in on AM cause they know the other two guys aren't much of a threat to score from the outside. Give AM Willie and Robertson and you gotta pick your poison.

Marner & Tavares we already know is a great combination.
 
Matthews is shooting 4.2%. He is leading the team in shots. It's not that he's not getting opportunities to shoot, it's that they aren't going in for him at the moment. His career average is 16.2%

If he was shooting at his normal accuracy, he'd have 4 goals, 2 assists...

I don't really see a problem, other than he needs to get back into a groove.

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Marner is the other problem... also shooting at a career low... 8%, compared to 15% last year... so mathematically he should have 2 goals, and if Matty was shooting at a normal rate, three more assists.... Matty probably gets the assist in that additional goal Marner should have.


These are elite offensive guys, they don't need Robertson on their line, in order to get their spark back, or to stop D's from focusing on them. They need a little time to get things going apparently.

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Funny thing... if these guys were clicking.. we'd be 5-0... but they aren't. Hence Keefe called them out... as they should have been.
 
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Matthews is shooting 4.2%. He is leading the team in shots. It's not that he's not getting opportunities to shoot, it's that they aren't going in for him at the moment. His career average is 16.2%

If he was shooting at his normal accuracy, he'd have 4 goals, 2 assists...

I don't really see a problem, other than he needs to get back into a groove.

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Marner is the other problem... also shooting at a career low... 8%, compared to 15% last year... so mathematically he should have 2 goals, and if Matty was shooting at a normal rate, three more assists.... Matty probably gets the assist in that additional goal Marner should have.


These are elite offensive guys, they don't need Robertson on their line, in order to get their spark back, or to stop D's from focusing on them. They need a little time to get things going apparently.

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Funny thing... if these guys were clicking.. we'd be 5-0... but they aren't. Hence Keefe called them out... as they should have been.
When you watch game at Scotia you see much different game then what you see on TV (vastly different) .. as another poster noted in game thread who only went to last nights game but watched rest on TV .. da major issue right now is Matty and JT are so so slow and not keeping up to da play .. yes both have their skills when they finally get into offensive end .. until Matty drops his 10 pounds he came into camp overweight his line will have trouble .. Mitch is playing like Mitch always plays it does not matter a preseason game a regular season game or a playoff game he plays exactly da same way every time he touches ice surface .. he is way ahead of Matty and often playing by himself in offensive end .. Matty will work off his issue with more games under his belt and then will be back to a dominating force I am sure of it

For now maybe best to put Matty with Willy and Robertson and try JT with Mitch and Bunting (TO line again) .. Matty will have to force himself into better shape to keep up to Robertson and Willy .. JT will never ever ever be able to keep up to Willy and Robertson ever ever ever .. those 2 have SPEED
 
Robertson-Matthews-Marner
Bunting-Tavares-Nylander
Jarnkrok-Kerfoot-Malgin
Engvall-Kampf-ZAR

If Bunting returns to form, I wouldn’t mind something like this.
 
Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Robertson - Tavares - Nylander
Malgin - Kerfoot - Jarnkrok
Reese - Kampf - Engvall
I was coming in to post this exact lineup. I like Nicky Bobby with JT and Willie, thought they looked good together against Dallas. Malgin on that line looked like a complete passenger, always deferring to the two stars (kind of looked like Abruzzese last year) and looked nothing like he did in preseason or at the WC. Maybe putting him on a line where he doesn’t have to defer would let him be more assertive and attempt to be dynamic again. Engvall on the 4th line would make that line better, especially with his chemistry with Kampf (and NAK has shown nothing deserving of a lineup spot).
 
bunting - matthews - marner (let them find the groove)
robertson - tavares - nylander (ill give them 3/4 more games , if they play like last game again u need to blow up this line)
engvall - kerfoot - janrok (surprisingly the best 5 on 5 line so far this year ,+70% gdiff ,in 4 games, a bit more puck luck and they would have many more goals. )
? - kampf - ? (malgin, ZAR, simmonds and NAK can rotate regularly, depending the opponent)
 
bunting - matthews - marner (let them find the groove)
robertson - tavares - nylander (ill give them 3/4 more games , if they play like last game again u need to blow up this line)
engvall - kerfoot - janrok (surprisingly the best 5 on 5 line so far this year ,+70% gdiff ,in 4 games, a bit more puck luck and they would have many more goals. )
? - kampf - ? (malgin, ZAR, simmonds and NAK can rotate regularly, depending the opponent)
Why give them 3 or 4 more games when they have had 100 games together?

Even strength points per 60 minutes 2021-22

70. Tavares
82. Nylander

This is behind guys like Athanasiou, Barbashev, Verhgaghe, Atkinson, Skinner, Zuccarello, Buchnevich, Boldy, Schmaltz, Burakovsky, Lundell, Mantha, Rust, Nelson, Garland, Ardvidson, even Kerfoot. These guys are getting paid a fortune. And I'm not hating on them, they just have no chemistry together.

Not to mention these two get 2nd line match ups where as Bunting-Matthews-Marner get first line match ups.


Even strength points per 60 minutes 2022-23

161. Nylander
289. Tavares


I don't know why our coach can't see Tavares doesn't work with Nylander and Robertson at even strength. How much longer are we going to try this with 0 results? Why can't Keefe see the obvious?
 
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Why give them 3 or 4 more games when they have had 100 games together?

Even strength points per 60 minutes 2021-22

70. Tavares
82. Nylander

This is behind guys like Athanasiou, Barbashev, Verhgaghe, Atkinson, Skinner, Zuccarello, Buchnevich, Boldy, Schmaltz, Burakovsky, Lundell, Mantha, Rust, Nelson, Garland, Ardvidson, even Kerfoot. These guys are getting paid a fortune. And I'm not hating on them, they just have no chemistry together.

Not to mention these two get 2nd line match ups where as Bunting-Matthews-Marner get first line match ups.


Even strength points per 60 minutes 2022-23

161. Nylander
289. Tavares


I don't know why our coach can't see Tavares doesn't work with Nylander and Robertson at even strength. How much longer are we going to try this with 0 results? Why can't Keefe see the obvious?
I suspect it's self-defense. If you took your GM's prize $11M acquisition and played him on the third line, how long would you expect to keep your job?

I think we're stuck with Dubas' Folly at 2C.
 
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1st like is proven gold. 2nd line has a nice mix of skill, passing, shooting and skating. Nylander is good enough to center the 3rd line flanking him with some defensive minded players who could hopefully contribute might be more worth while. (Ie 2nd line is a bit worse but 3rd line a lot better). 4th line just bangs and trys to get some goals while playing mostly neutral hockey. Spread the wealth a little, worth trying something like this imo.
 
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When you watch game at Scotia you see much different game then what you see on TV (vastly different) .. as another poster noted in game thread who only went to last nights game but watched rest on TV .. da major issue right now is Matty and JT are so so slow and not keeping up to da play .. yes both have their skills when they finally get into offensive end .. until Matty drops his 10 pounds he came into camp overweight his line will have trouble .. Mitch is playing like Mitch always plays it does not matter a preseason game a regular season game or a playoff game he plays exactly da same way every time he touches ice surface .. he is way ahead of Matty and often playing by himself in offensive end .. Matty will work off his issue with more games under his belt and then will be back to a dominating force I am sure of it

For now maybe best to put Matty with Willy and Robertson and try JT with Mitch and Bunting (TO line again) .. Matty will have to force himself into better shape to keep up to Robertson and Willy .. JT will never ever ever be able to keep up to Willy and Robertson ever ever ever .. those 2 have SPEED
Agreed would love to see a solid 5-10 game stretch w

Robertson - Matthews - Nylander
Bunting - Tavares - Marner
 
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Bunting Matthews Nylander
Robertson Tavares Marner
Kerfoot Kampf Jarnkrok
Clifford Engvall Simmonds

The hyphens sit for a bit.
Replace Clifford with maybe a Steeves and you might be on to something though I would keep Robertson with nylander
 
Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Robertson-Tavares-kerfoot
Jarnkrok-Nylander-engvall
Simmonds-Kampf-ZAR

1st like is proven gold. 2nd line has a nice mix of skill, passing, shooting and skating. Nylander is good enough to center the 3rd line flanking him with some defensive minded players who could hopefully contribute might be more worth while. (Ie 2nd line is a bit worse but 3rd line a lot better). 4th line just bangs and trys to get some goals while playing mostly neutral hockey. Spread the wealth a little, worth trying something like this imo.
Kerfoot should not be in any championship winners top six he belongs on the third line preferably on the left wing that’s it especially when we have players that should be in that spot over him id rather malgin over him
 
Why give them 3 or 4 more games when they have had 100 games together?

Even strength points per 60 minutes 2021-22

70. Tavares
82. Nylander

This is behind guys like Athanasiou, Barbashev, Verhgaghe, Atkinson, Skinner, Zuccarello, Buchnevich, Boldy, Schmaltz, Burakovsky, Lundell, Mantha, Rust, Nelson, Garland, Ardvidson, even Kerfoot. These guys are getting paid a fortune. And I'm not hating on them, they just have no chemistry together.

Not to mention these two get 2nd line match ups where as Bunting-Matthews-Marner get first line match ups.


Even strength points per 60 minutes 2022-23

161. Nylander
289. Tavares


I don't know why our coach can't see Tavares doesn't work with Nylander and Robertson at even strength. How much longer are we going to try this with 0 results? Why can't Keefe see the obvious?

yes but that line specifically have been
amazing 1 game
dog shit 1 game

im giving a 3 game leash for robertsons sake. If he cant reinvigorate the 5 on 5 play then it needs to blow up
 
Replace Clifford with maybe a Steeves and you might be on to something though I would keep Robertson with nylander
I thought Robertson and Nylander worked very well together, especially the couple of shifts without JT.

I'd like to see:

Bunting Matthews Marner
Robertson Nylander Jarnkrok
Kerfoot Tavares Engvall

I think that would improve both the second and third lines.
 
I thought Robertson and Nylander worked very well together, especially the couple of shifts without JT.

I'd like to see:

Bunting Matthews Marner
Robertson Nylander Jarnkrok
Kerfoot Tavares Engvall

I think that would improve both the second and third lines.
I doubt they will ever have Tavares as the third line center this season besides he’s played good you don’t want to stretch your top nine you want to solidify your top six find the right mixture and they can’t stop us our bottom six is to chip in here and there but not to give up much so both nylander and Tavares have to be in your top six
 
I doubt they will ever have Tavares as the third line center this season besides he’s played good you don’t want to stretch your top nine you want to solidify your top six find the right mixture and they can’t stop us our bottom six is to chip in here and there but not to give up much so both nylander and Tavares have to be in your top six
Tavares has "played good" on the PP, but not so much at even strength. But I agree Keefe isn't likely to play him on the third line.

So what can you come up with? Keep Matthews and Marner together, keep Robertson and Nylander together and away from Tavares, and make two lines.
 
Tavares has "played good" on the PP, but not so much at even strength. But I agree Keefe isn't likely to play him on the third line.

So what can you come up with? Keep Matthews and Marner together, keep Robertson and Nylander together and away from Tavares, and make two lines.
Exactly but take the babs approach and split matthews and marner up it allows for our best two defensive top six forwards to spread out and maybe have both lines going as opposed to one keep marner with bunting
 

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