FooteBahl
Took a big shitz for Nemec
Can someone clarify the new draft lottery rule? If we were to win the second pick, does that count towards the 2 win cap within 5 year rule, or is it just for first overall?
Prospect Info: 2022 Draft Prospects, Part II
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I'm pretty sure it's lottery related, regardless of 1st or 2nd overall.
It wouldn't make a lot of sense if it were only linked to winning the 1st overall pick but we're talking about the NHL here, so everything is possible lol.
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If I'm not mistaken, whoever wins the lottery can only jump 3 spots... like when we won the lottery on moved up to pick Adam Larsson 4th overall.
So yeah, technically, we can drop a couple of spots but I was talking about where we'll finish in the standings as of game #82 but yes, you're correct in that we can drop a couple of spots if teams behind us win the lottery.
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I don't know if we'll see Jiricek play but he's on the roster and what's up with guys having the same first and last name? There's Ivan Ivan and now Marcel Marcel?
FooteBahl
Took a big shitz for Nemec
Whoever wins can only jump a max of 10 spots. So the number 12 team could only go to #2.
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Wasn't that the "old format"? I was under the impression that teams couldn't jump higher than 3 spots but I might be wrong.
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2022 lotto will be:
-two drawings (1st, 2nd)
-at most a 10 spot movement
-maximum of 2 wins in 5 years starting with 2022 lotto
-two drawings (1st, 2nd)
-at most a 10 spot movement
-maximum of 2 wins in 5 years starting with 2022 lotto
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The NHL will probably explain this more when they release the odds. It seems a bit unfair if a bubble team wins #2 at 14 and moves to 4th (if the winner of the 2nd moves 10 spots too?) but I guess they won something good.
A five year period can fly by (or maybe I’m just old). When people on the main board didn’t know earlier wins didn’t count they often said Buffalo and NJ weren’t eligible. Nico was 2017, we would be eligible anyway. (Obviously it’s better for us this way, since Jack would count until 2024.)
The NHL did say it’s tied to the team and not the pick itself. (So if Team A wins with an unprotected 1st from Team B then it counts as Team A’s win).
Some people were confused about that and felt that teams that stayed bad might be more apt to trade lottery picks away after they won twice and could not win themselves (not my theory and it seems like an imaginary problem).
2022 Draft Profile:
C/RW Pano Fimis, Niagara OHL
We need to take our hats off to this kid, because he has really gotten the most out of his draft-eligible season despite literally everything working against him. Pano Fimis is a small (5'10-165) forward who lacks elite speed, a combination which immediately makes many scouts look in the opposite direction. He's playing on a weak Ice Dogs team and has dealt with a few nagging injuries over the season. He's one of the younger players available for the 2022 draft. And yet, he has produced fairly good offense and kept himself on the draft radar, mostly because of a commendable combination of an extremely high hockey IQ and a very good compete level.
Fimis also has no shortage of hockey skills. His hands are probably his best trait, as this kid can really stickhandle a yarn ball through a field of cats. He's also shifty and agile on his skates, and I'd call him a good skater, though normally scouts desire smaller players to be speed demons. But overall, skating would have to be considered a strength. Fimis is a very good passer, though not a player of any elite vision. His shot needs work on the power, though the release is tight and the accuracy is fine. He is certainly more of a playmaker than a scorer, and his 26 assists in 47 OHL games is very impressive considering the only true finisher on his team is Daniil Guchshin.
Fimis is most attractive in his general awareness and anticipation. This is a forward who is always thinking ahead of the play. His compete level is also quite good -- Fimis plays with both hustle and courage which somewhat mitigate his biggest area of need, which is physical strength. He's pretty easy to knock off the puck, or even his skates entirely. It's important to stress his courage, because when a kid is being knocked around like a pinball against more physical teams, I look for the desire to keep going back to the greasy areas of the ice as extremely important, and Fimis certainly possesses this attribute. A player who, after a couple of hits, alters his game to avoid more physicality rather than possessing the will to keep trying will plummet down my rankings. A good example of this would be Zion Nybeck in 2020 -- a player of extraordinary skill and skating -- 1st round caliber, even -- who if you hit him once or twice was virtually certain to be a non-factor the rest of the game. Fimis is the opposite -- he's lacking power in his game but makes up for it with desire and gumption. Concurrently, he's also better defensively than you'd expect -- always supporting his teammates down low and willing to battle for pucks, very solid positionally and showing good intelligence and discipline in his own zone.
Pano Fimis is generally ranked in the 3rd/4th round range, and I think that's about right. Although he's a center by trade for Niagara, I think his future in the NHL might be on the wing due to his lack of size or high-end skating. I don't think he's one of the smaller/offensive boom bust forwards because of the completeness of his game and his excellent intangibles, so I feel he's a very good pick in the mid-rounds. Fimis has very good second-line upside if he can build his core strength, and I also feel he has some bottom six potential so he's not a boom/bust kid. He's a very likable player and a name to watch in the future.
C/RW Pano Fimis, Niagara OHL
We need to take our hats off to this kid, because he has really gotten the most out of his draft-eligible season despite literally everything working against him. Pano Fimis is a small (5'10-165) forward who lacks elite speed, a combination which immediately makes many scouts look in the opposite direction. He's playing on a weak Ice Dogs team and has dealt with a few nagging injuries over the season. He's one of the younger players available for the 2022 draft. And yet, he has produced fairly good offense and kept himself on the draft radar, mostly because of a commendable combination of an extremely high hockey IQ and a very good compete level.
Fimis also has no shortage of hockey skills. His hands are probably his best trait, as this kid can really stickhandle a yarn ball through a field of cats. He's also shifty and agile on his skates, and I'd call him a good skater, though normally scouts desire smaller players to be speed demons. But overall, skating would have to be considered a strength. Fimis is a very good passer, though not a player of any elite vision. His shot needs work on the power, though the release is tight and the accuracy is fine. He is certainly more of a playmaker than a scorer, and his 26 assists in 47 OHL games is very impressive considering the only true finisher on his team is Daniil Guchshin.
Fimis is most attractive in his general awareness and anticipation. This is a forward who is always thinking ahead of the play. His compete level is also quite good -- Fimis plays with both hustle and courage which somewhat mitigate his biggest area of need, which is physical strength. He's pretty easy to knock off the puck, or even his skates entirely. It's important to stress his courage, because when a kid is being knocked around like a pinball against more physical teams, I look for the desire to keep going back to the greasy areas of the ice as extremely important, and Fimis certainly possesses this attribute. A player who, after a couple of hits, alters his game to avoid more physicality rather than possessing the will to keep trying will plummet down my rankings. A good example of this would be Zion Nybeck in 2020 -- a player of extraordinary skill and skating -- 1st round caliber, even -- who if you hit him once or twice was virtually certain to be a non-factor the rest of the game. Fimis is the opposite -- he's lacking power in his game but makes up for it with desire and gumption. Concurrently, he's also better defensively than you'd expect -- always supporting his teammates down low and willing to battle for pucks, very solid positionally and showing good intelligence and discipline in his own zone.
Pano Fimis is generally ranked in the 3rd/4th round range, and I think that's about right. Although he's a center by trade for Niagara, I think his future in the NHL might be on the wing due to his lack of size or high-end skating. I don't think he's one of the smaller/offensive boom bust forwards because of the completeness of his game and his excellent intangibles, so I feel he's a very good pick in the mid-rounds. Fimis has very good second-line upside if he can build his core strength, and I also feel he has some bottom six potential so he's not a boom/bust kid. He's a very likable player and a name to watch in the future.
2022 Draft Profile:
LD Rodwin Dionicio, Niagara OHL
A lot of people read my draft write-ups with a specific emphasis in finding deep sleepers they may not have heard of at all. Rodwin Dionicio is a bruising, 6'2-210 potential shut-down defender who could certainly become such a player. He's never going to put up big numbers, but he's got the skill to be a 20-30 point guy and offense is not why you draft him. He's just the perfect sidekick for an offense-first RD and a guy who can make a mark in his own right as a physically punishing, high-compete blueliner.
Dionicio comes from an interesting background. He was actually born in New Jersey, but raised in Switzerland. He's a dual citizen, but has aligned nationally with Switzerland, where he has performed admirably in international tournament play. His calling cards are strength, compete, physicality and defensive awareness. He's got pretty soft mitts for his player type and a nice shot. His passing is okay but doesn't jump off the page, he's more a catch-and-release type player.
Dionicio has one necessary area of improvement which I feel will almost singularly determine his NHL future. Though his top speeds are okay, he takes a while to get going and his first few strides are extremely sloppy. This needs to be cleaned up, and some heavy off-season skating work with some good skating coach could make him a big potential draft-day steal. Because Dionicio is already terrific defensively, and unlike many young stay-at-home physical rearguards, he is not a "the puck is a hot potato" lumberer. He just needs more jump and acceleration, as quick forwards with advanced stop-and-start capabilities can be past him with the puck before he's even gotten going.
I have high hopes for this player. I love his intelligence and compete. He's also pretty invisible on draft boards, making him a potential coup in the 6th/7th rounds. We must keep ion mind that there is no player without flaw taken after the 1st round, much less after the 5th, and there's always some chance-taking with the late picks. Rodwin Dionicio has clear potential to be a Manson or Chiarot type, and we all saw how valuable those players were to contenders at this year's trade deadline. As such, he's a tremendous pick for the late rounds of the 2022 draft.
LD Rodwin Dionicio, Niagara OHL
A lot of people read my draft write-ups with a specific emphasis in finding deep sleepers they may not have heard of at all. Rodwin Dionicio is a bruising, 6'2-210 potential shut-down defender who could certainly become such a player. He's never going to put up big numbers, but he's got the skill to be a 20-30 point guy and offense is not why you draft him. He's just the perfect sidekick for an offense-first RD and a guy who can make a mark in his own right as a physically punishing, high-compete blueliner.
Dionicio comes from an interesting background. He was actually born in New Jersey, but raised in Switzerland. He's a dual citizen, but has aligned nationally with Switzerland, where he has performed admirably in international tournament play. His calling cards are strength, compete, physicality and defensive awareness. He's got pretty soft mitts for his player type and a nice shot. His passing is okay but doesn't jump off the page, he's more a catch-and-release type player.
Dionicio has one necessary area of improvement which I feel will almost singularly determine his NHL future. Though his top speeds are okay, he takes a while to get going and his first few strides are extremely sloppy. This needs to be cleaned up, and some heavy off-season skating work with some good skating coach could make him a big potential draft-day steal. Because Dionicio is already terrific defensively, and unlike many young stay-at-home physical rearguards, he is not a "the puck is a hot potato" lumberer. He just needs more jump and acceleration, as quick forwards with advanced stop-and-start capabilities can be past him with the puck before he's even gotten going.
I have high hopes for this player. I love his intelligence and compete. He's also pretty invisible on draft boards, making him a potential coup in the 6th/7th rounds. We must keep ion mind that there is no player without flaw taken after the 1st round, much less after the 5th, and there's always some chance-taking with the late picks. Rodwin Dionicio has clear potential to be a Manson or Chiarot type, and we all saw how valuable those players were to contenders at this year's trade deadline. As such, he's a tremendous pick for the late rounds of the 2022 draft.
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Why did I see Dionicio's name and thought I read Pinnochio for a second? The hell?
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So basically it's the winner of Shane Wright and Slafkovsky then at #1 and #2.
He's really an interesting prospect from an interesting background. He's a mixed race kid with dual citizenship and I've heard somewhere he speaks 4 languages. Seems like a really bright kid, and his compete is terrific. Some team is going to have a really intriguing player on their hands after the 6th/7th round with Rodwin Dionicio.Why did I see Dionicio's name and thought I read Pinnochio for a second? The hell?
Unrelated to anything, but the talk of draft odds gives me an excuse to tell one of my favorite old stories of how the Orlando Magic affected the NHL lottery for nearly two decades.
As part of the January 1995 CBA, the NHL wanted to implement a draft lottery similar to the NBA's. They were annoyed when Ottawa's owner bragged about how they had tanked to secure Alexandre Daigle at the 1993 Draft. The CBA got ratified but the lottery procedure was still TBD.
Fast forward to the GMs meeting in May 1995 and they're hashing out the rules. Simultaneously, the Orlando Magic are the #1 seed in the Eastern Conference and look to be a dynasty in the making. In 1993, they won the lottery despite only having 1 ball out of 66; Orlando would trade out of the top pick to get Penny Hardaway. NHL GMs were worried about an "Orlando situation" where a near playoff team could suddenly land a franchise player. So the compromise was that the winning team could only move up four spots (back when there were 10 teams in the lottery). That would last until 2013, mostly in reaction to Edmonton picking first in three consecutive years.
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A look ahead to the 2023 prospects who may be available in '23 draft. Does anyone have more info on these guys? Any help would be great!
1. Hisgamis Reliov
2. Nogol Thinetisov
3. Armanis Relipukin
4. Heluk Hertisov
5. Kalivorny Razin
6. Resperi Bure
7. Petr Kotentil
8. Radim Hzrytz
9. Miro Hastofezy
10. Kryztof Kolmbicz
11. Rob DiBanco
12. Cliff Hanninger
13. Dieter Uscher
14. Ron Sipolis
15. Frank Discuzione
16. Tom Atacan
17. Jeff Boiardi
18. Curt DeGrassi
1. Hisgamis Reliov
2. Nogol Thinetisov
3. Armanis Relipukin
4. Heluk Hertisov
5. Kalivorny Razin
6. Resperi Bure
7. Petr Kotentil
8. Radim Hzrytz
9. Miro Hastofezy
10. Kryztof Kolmbicz
11. Rob DiBanco
12. Cliff Hanninger
13. Dieter Uscher
14. Ron Sipolis
15. Frank Discuzione
16. Tom Atacan
17. Jeff Boiardi
18. Curt DeGrassi
Awesome, awesome post. I didn't know this. Thanks!
Unrelated to anything, but the talk of draft odds gives me an excuse to tell one of my favorite old stories of how the Orlando Magic affected the NHL lottery for nearly two decades.
As part of the January 1995 CBA, the NHL wanted to implement a draft lottery similar to the NBA's. They were annoyed when Ottawa's owner bragged about how they had tanked to secure Alexandre Daigle at the 1993 Draft. The CBA got ratified but the lottery procedure was still TBD.
Fast forward to the GMs meeting in May 1995 and they're hashing out the rules. Simultaneously, the Orlando Magic are the #1 seed in the Eastern Conference and look to be a dynasty in the making. In 1993, they won the lottery despite only having 1 ball out of 66; Orlando would trade out of the top pick to get Penny Hardaway. NHL GMs were worried about an "Orlando situation" where a near playoff team could suddenly land a franchise player. So the compromise was that the winning team could only move up four spots (back when there were 10 teams in the lottery). That would last until 2013, mostly in reaction to Edmonton picking first in three consecutive years.
- Dec 20, 2018
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- 50,599
Unrelated to anything, but the talk of draft odds gives me an excuse to tell one of my favorite old stories of how the Orlando Magic affected the NHL lottery for nearly two decades.
As part of the January 1995 CBA, the NHL wanted to implement a draft lottery similar to the NBA's. They were annoyed when Ottawa's owner bragged about how they had tanked to secure Alexandre Daigle at the 1993 Draft. The CBA got ratified but the lottery procedure was still TBD.
Fast forward to the GMs meeting in May 1995 and they're hashing out the rules. Simultaneously, the Orlando Magic are the #1 seed in the Eastern Conference and look to be a dynasty in the making. In 1993, they won the lottery despite only having 1 ball out of 66; Orlando would trade out of the top pick to get Penny Hardaway. NHL GMs were worried about an "Orlando situation" where a near playoff team could suddenly land a franchise player. So the compromise was that the winning team could only move up four spots (back when there were 10 teams in the lottery). That would last until 2013, mostly in reaction to Edmonton picking first in three consecutive years.
Yeah, they said the change announced for 2014 was for parity lol:
Now the league has new rules starting in 2021:
So after 8 years they care about the bottom feeders again. And reverse almost everything (except one extra pick.)
2014 announcement with odds changes:
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2021 announcement:
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@StevenToddIves I have to ask, I saw you mentioned this was the last year you’d be doing draft reviews. When you said that, did you mean full draft reviews? Will you still be doing Devils post-draft reviews and giving us the scouting reports of the players we draft?
Even if I hang it up, you can always email me or message me and I'll answer what I can. But now I'm just focused on 2022, so I'll be doing all the scouting reports and rankings and mock drafts as usual, and then the post-draft write-ups as usual.
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Another late 1st/early 2nd round target I'm very high on is Nathan Gaucher. One of the better defensive minded forwards in the class that has size and knows how to use if effectively. I also think his offensive skillset is pretty underrated (great work in the crease, good skater and puck skills for his size, quality shot, surprising poise and finesse for a player with his style). He just seems like the type that will start his career out as a pivotal piece as a bottom 6 fixture before turning into a legit top 6 forward in his mid to late 20s. And for the Devils specifically he seems like the exact type of player Fitz has been targeting for the organization which should make him a prime candidate to be drafted if he makes it to their 2nd round pick or if they were to add a late 1st round pick before the draft.
I'm a big fan of Gaucher and have spoken about him a bunch. The problem here is, he's a likely pick in the #15-#25 range and the Devils will need to trade up to get him. I'd be thrilled with the move, as he is potentially a long-term answer as a power 3C behind a stunning top two of Hughes/Hischier. But we all know how difficult it is to get a first round pick after the trade deadline. Here's my write up from several months ago:
C/RW Nathan Gaucher, Quebec QMJHL
There are certain prospects who, in this age, generate more of a debate about "what wins hockey games" than actually an analysis of their hockey talent. I expect Gaucher to be one of those players, as a big, physical old-school north/south forward who has produced, but not statistically dominated in the QMJHL (26 points in 30 games thus far). A lot of the "stats crowd" are going to drop him into their second round projections. Conversely, I'm heavily invested in Gaucher's talent, and I firmly believe he's an outstanding pick in the #20-#25 range -- and perhaps even higher.
Nathan Gaucher is a battler, plain and simple. He plays with a ferocious compete level which, when mixed with his enormous physical strength, results in a player who dominates along the boards, in the crease, and in the greasy areas of the ice. He is an outstanding defensive forward, showing an advanced understanding of his responsibilities in the defensive zone. In transition, he's the opposite of a riverboat gambler -- Gaucher will chip the puck into a safe area every time to avoid a costly turnover. He plays a hard, heady game and he doesn't give the opposition an inch or unearned opportunity, ever.
Unlike the stereotype of the old-school big center, Gaucher is not some plodder. This kid can really skate. His top speeds and edges and agility are all excellent for a small finesse forward, and here we have a kid who is 6'3-205. When you mix his speed and dexterity with his high awareness, high compete, and size/strength combo -- well, you get a kid that nobody really wants to play against. He's always all over the puck, and if you have the puck? Well, then he's all over you. Again -- and we can't stress this enough -- the kid is a battler.
Offensively, I'd describe Gaucher as effective, if not creative. Though he's a good passer and puck handler, he prefers moving the puck towards the opposing goal over taking chances. This makes him so-so on the transition, because if pressured, Gaucher will almost always dump the puck and chase -- that's his style. His passing vision can be described similarly -- if there's an open teammate, Gaucher will wire the puck on his blade, but if not? Gaucher will be fine just throwing the puck on net, or tucking down and trying to bring it down low. He'd rather go through you than around you, but he's got pretty good hands and can go around you in a pinch. And, well... he can also go through you.
Gaucher is more of a shooter than a playmaker, and he's not an offensive line-driver, which leads me to think his NHL future might be on the RW rather than C, despite his tremendous defensive capabilities at the position. He's not thinking five moves ahead like a true line-driver -- he's thinking fire the puck on net, then crash the crease for a rebound. But he's one of the best face-off men in the 2022 draft, which combined with his two-way play leads one to think that many NHL franchises will be eying him as a center.
My personal conclusion is that every NHL team needs Nathan Gauchers to win. I love his moxie and his power game and his sense of responsibility to his teammates. He's a classic that never gets old. Basically, Nathan Gaucher is the Led Zeppelin Houses of the Holy of the 2022 NHL Draft.
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Is Cooley a lock to go top #3? If Philly can manage to get past us, we’ll be in the drivers seat with one of Jiricek or Nemec.
No, Cooley is not a lock to go top 3. I'd say he can still go anywhere from #2-#5.
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