Prospect Info: 2022 Devils Centric Mock Draft 3.0 -- We won pick #2!!!

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Does anyone know the status of his contract on Finland? That definitely has an affect on this.
I believe he has one more year signed to TPS, however I also believe NHL contracts override Liiga.

My guess is he is a D+2. Go the Lundell/Heiskanen route. Let Slaf play top line minutes and see how he does. There will (hopefully) be lots of competition for limited Devil's roster spots in his D+2, so I doubt we hand him a spot unless he really deserves it.
 
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This is also weaker than usual drafts. I’d be very very surprised if he’s an NHLer this year. Maybe he’s brought to NA and you get him 9 games in throughout the year but he won’t be a regular

And to be clear, every single forward drafted top 2 since 2010 (as far back as I went) played at least six games in the NHL D+1, and everyone except Byfield played at least 9. Byfield played 6.

Even some weak drafts, as 2017 was considered to be before Makar and Petterson emerged, had their top forwards in the league full time D+1.

I think in hindsight it's clear that Hughes and Kakko didn't belong in the league in 2019. Does the organization have the guts to wait at least a year on Slaf if he's the pick? I hope so.
 

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I believe he has one more year signed to TPS, however I also believe NHL contracts override Liiga.

My guess is he is a D+2. Go the Lundell/Heiskanen route. Let Slaf play top line minutes and see how he does. There will (hopefully) be lots of competition for limited Devil's roster spots in his D+2, so I doubt we hand him a spot unless he really deserves it.
I’d rather him in the AHL though where we have more control of the situation, he can play on NA ice, get acclimated with the organization and NA and then maybe get a short stint with the big club if he earns it.
 

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And to be clear, every single forward drafted top 2 since 2010 (as far back as I went) played at least six games in the NHL D+1, and everyone except Byfield played at least 9. Byfield played 6.

Even some weak drafts, as 2017 was considered to be before Makar and Petterson emerged, had their top forwards in the league full time D+1.

I think in hindsight it's clear that Hughes and Kakko didn't belong in the league in 2019. Does the organization have the guts to wait at least a year on Slaf if he's the pick? I hope so.

I disagree with the notion Jack didn’t belong in the league his D+1. Jack struggling in the NHL helped him out more than torching the NCAA or AHL.

Slaf probably plays some games if he comes over but I have no worries about them thrusting him in if he’s not ready. I think he’ll be treated more like Holtz was this year than Jack was his rookie year. I’m very curious whether he’ll be ready come his D+2 or if he’ll still be a step behind like Holtz was this year.
 
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And to be clear, every single forward drafted top 2 since 2010 (as far back as I went) played at least six games in the NHL D+1, and everyone except Byfield played at least 9. Byfield played 6.

Even some weak drafts, as 2017 was considered to be before Makar and Petterson emerged, had their top forwards in the league full time D+1.

I think in hindsight it's clear that Hughes and Kakko didn't belong in the league in 2019. Does the organization have the guts to wait at least a year on Slaf if he's the pick? I hope so.
I am drooling over a potential nine games of Luke and Slaf in Devils jerseys at the end of next season.
 

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I disagree with the notion Jack didn’t belong in the league his D+1. Jack struggling in the NHL helped him out more than torching the NCAA or AHL.

Slaf probably plays some games if he comes over but I have no worries about them thrusting him in if he’s not ready. I think he’ll be treated more like Holtz was this year than Jack was his rookie year. I’m very curious whether he’ll be ready come his D+2 or if he’ll still be a step behind like Holtz was this year.

It actually worked out for us because if he was entering year 3 of his ELC this year no way in hell we'd get him on an 8x8.
 

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It actually worked out for us because if he was entering year 3 of his ELC this year no way in hell we'd get him on an 8x8.

I think it would’ve ended up working similarly. I think his rookie year would’ve been similar but slightly better and his sophomore year would’ve been similar but slightly better. I don’t think he has the same year last year if he wasn’t in the NHL his D+1. It would’ve came this upcoming year. Struggling in the NHL and learning what works and what doesn’t work was really beneficial for him. If he wasn’t in the league in 19-20 then that struggling year would’ve came in 2021 instead
 

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Great work @StevenToddIves & @Guadana all year long. As far as this specific mock, I love it. Although hypothetically if one of the Russians falls to 37, I'm going with that player
If it's Miroshnichenko, Perevalov or Trikozov? I definitely snatch them up in the 2nd round.

Neuchev and Dolzhenkov are both guys I begin to consider in the 3rd, maybe Koromyslov and Grudinin, too.
 

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Huh? He isn’t even close to the consensus second best player in the draft. Slafkovsky is actually ranked higher than him currently.

Nor do I have any interest in trading Hischier anytime soon.

Not saying that Cooley is the right pick here but if you believe if Cooley (or Wright if MTL doesn't pick him) but if you believe the center is BPA, you can pick him, roll 3 of them for a bit and then trade one of them for either winger or defenseman.

I wouldn't want to trade Hischier for sake of trading him but if return was extremely good and it would make team better, why not?

We didn't want to get rid of Larsson but when Oilers offered Hall straight up, there were zero regrets.
 
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Take Cooley, he's the consensus second best player in the draft. You can always trade Nico H. later.

Bob McKenzie polled some scouts before the lottery: Flash poll: Race tightening for No. 1 in NHL Draft - TSN.ca

And where Kingston Frontenac centre Shane Wright got nine of 10 No. 1 votes from the scouts in our mid-season rankings in January, he got six of nine votes to remain atop the quickie poll.

Wright would appear to be staring down two legitimate threats for first overall.

Big Slovak winger Juraj Slafkovsky received two No. 1 votes today and USA Hockey National Team Development Program Under-18 team centre Logan Cooley got one.

Slafkovsky was No. 5 at mid-season but vaulted up to No. 2 on this lottery day ranking. Cooley, who was No. 2 at mid-season, is No. 3 today, but very little separates the American and Slovak forwards.

At least among the scouts he polled, it's more a consensus that they're 2-3 but the order depends on who you ask. Maybe similar to the Quinton Byfield vs. Tim Stutzle ranking a couple years back.
 

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Not saying that Cooley is the right pick here but if you believe if Cooley (or Wright if MTL doesn't pick him) but if you believe the center is BPA, you can pick him, roll 3 of them for a bit and then trade one of them for either winger or defenseman.

I wouldn't want to trade Hischier for sake of trading him but if return was extremely good and it would make team better, why not?

We didn't want to get rid of Larsson but when Oilers offered Hall straight up, there were zero regrets.
I think Slafkovsky is BPA.
 

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I think Slafkovsky is BPA.
That's fair, some people believe it's Slafkovsky, some that it's Cooley, some that it's Jiricek and some think it's Nemec. It's not an exact science and we don't know who's right. But my point was not which player will be BPA when we make a draft pick but rather that you should ignore team needs and pick BPA (I also don't believe prospects could be 'equal' when you pay thousands of dollars for the staff to evaluate them), team needs should be solved later.
 

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Let's talk second round, STI! Two guys I'd love to hear your view on are Seamus Casey and Noah Östlund. I was sad last year with us passing on Morrow and Stankoven, however Casey and Östlund seem like this year's comparables respectively. Also, how does Casey compare to Rinzel in your opinion?
I currently have Ostlund at #49 and Casey at #57. Ostlund is a guy I always was quite high on, but I wanted to see him play against same-level competition. Well, he really shined in the U-18 and I'm certainly moving him up for my final rankings.

Casey is a guy I like, but I have concerns. He's solid both ways, but he doesn't stand out in any particular area, and he's got size/strength issues down low. Though he's more polished than RD like Rinzel, Lamoureux and Warren, I don't think I'd draft Casey with any of those guys still on the board.

Casey's upside to me is sort of Andy Greene-lite. He could go as early as the late 1st, but his likely destination is the 2nd round. But again, he's not the RD I'm targeting as the Devils.

Ostlund is more of a wild card. His elite skating/passing/puck-handling could see him go as high as the #20 range, but his small stature is likely to drop him to the #30-#45 range, where he would represent a potential huge steal.

However, there will be many potential steals where the Devils draft at #37, especially if the Russians fall due to the the tragic events in Europe right now. As high as Ostlund's upside is, it's not on the level of a Perevalov or Trikozov, much less Miroshnichenko. And if we're talking centers, if Owen Beck falls this is another player who I prefer even to Ostlund, who if he were two inches taller he'd be a likely top 15 pick.

And of course, there are the RDs -- especially if the Devils go the expected route and take Slafkovsky in the 1st round. Since you asked about Sam Rinzel, he's a very intriguing prospect. Though I am normally wary of drafting players based primarily on size/speed combinations, you simply have to pay attention to a 6'4 RD who skates like the wind. But he's also a tremendous transition defender, flashy puck-handler, excellent shooter and absolutely explosive team-driving force in the offensive zone. There are certainly shades of Scott Morrow, who was an absolute steal for Carolina last year at #40 overall.

Rinzel's lack of high end competition last year -- save for a season-ending short stint with Waterloo of the USHL -- certainly got him into bad habits, especially in transitional defense and sustained defense, which he will need to be coached out of. He needs to be more focused and aggressive in his gaps and closures. But the upside is real, and it is tremendous. On this basis, I certainly draft him over Sean Casey -- a more polished player who is clearly superior to Rinzel now, but lacks the high-end abilities with and without the puck which Rinzel can dazzle you with.
 

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NEW JERSEY DEVILS: RD Sam Rinzel, Waterloo USHL if the Devils take a D at #2, I’d expect them to go F here. But, as in this scenario I have them opting for Slafkovsky, the Devils are going to be hard-pressed to find a RD in the 2nd round. Rinzel would be a shoot-for-the-moon type pick, as he’s 6’4 and has excellent offensive skill and dynamic skating ability. However, he’s still a bit raw and unproven at the higher levels, so this would be a high-upside type pick with a modicum of risk attached, as well.
This, right here, is why I'm still annoyed at taking Chase Stillman over Scott Morrow last year. Instead of taking that modicum of risk on a high upside RD last year, we took a likely bottom 6 forward. We completely punted that pick.
 

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Do you really trust this organization to pick the best player at #2?

2021-2022 AHL Stats

#7 Alexander Holtz 52-26-25-41 -3
#8 Jack Quinn 46-26-35-61 -6
#9 Marco Rossi 63-18-35-53 +11
#10 Cole Perfetti 17-6-9-15 +6
#13 Seth Jarvis 68-17-23-40 +11 (NHL Stats)

Jesse Puljujarvi is better than Slafkovsky

Anton Lundell put up better stats in Liiga than Slafkovsky in his 17 year old season:

38-9-10-19 +6 (17 year old Lundell) vs. Slafkovsky's (18 year old Slafkovsky) 31-5-5-10 +1


Lundell and Slafkovsky's 17 year old seasons:

Lundell in HIFK U20 10-6-9-15 +11

Slafkovsky's in TPS U20 16-8-5-13 +4
 

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Do you really trust this organization to pick the best player at #2?

2021-2022 AHL Stats

#7 Alexander Holtz 52-26-25-41 -3
#8 Jack Quinn 46-26-35-61 -6
#9 Marco Rossi 63-18-35-53 +11
#10 Cole Perfetti 17-6-9-15 +6
#13 Seth Jarvis 68-17-23-40 +11 (NHL Stats)

Jesse Puljujarvi is better than Slafkovsky

Anton Lundell put up better stats in Liiga than Slafkovsky in his 17 year old season:

38-9-10-19 +6 (17 year old Lundell) vs. Slafkovsky's (18 year old Slafkovsky) 31-5-5-10 +1


Lundell and Slafkovsky's 17 year old seasons:

Lundell in HIFK U20 10-6-9-15 +11

Slafkovsky's in TPS U20 16-8-5-13 +4

26+25=/=41
 

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Do you really trust this organization to pick the best player at #2?

2021-2022 AHL Stats

#7 Alexander Holtz 52-26-25-41 -3
#8 Jack Quinn 46-26-35-61 -6
#9 Marco Rossi 63-18-35-53 +11
#10 Cole Perfetti 17-6-9-15 +6
#13 Seth Jarvis 68-17-23-40 +11 (NHL Stats)

Jesse Puljujarvi is better than Slafkovsky

Anton Lundell put up better stats in Liiga than Slafkovsky in his 17 year old season:

38-9-10-19 +6 (17 year old Lundell) vs. Slafkovsky's (18 year old Slafkovsky) 31-5-5-10 +1


Lundell and Slafkovsky's 17 year old seasons:

Lundell in HIFK U20 10-6-9-15 +11

Slafkovsky's in TPS U20 16-8-5-13 +4
So much more to scouting than production man. So much more. Just a small fraction of it.

Also, can you tell me what 26+25 equals? Just curious.
41?

While I’m a little concerned about Holtz’s skating his AHL numbers are very good. Quinn is the only one with better numbers.
 

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If it's Miroshnichenko, Perevalov or Trikozov? I definitely snatch them up in the 2nd round.

Neuchev and Dolzhenkov are both guys I begin to consider in the 3rd, maybe Koromyslov and Grudinin, too.
The first three names you mentioned all interest me in the second round if they get to #37. If they're not there, then go BPA (I prefer it to be RHD).
 

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