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German telly and athletes say the courses are tough. On the first day they mentioned that the snow is like sand but they haven't mentioned it since so perhaps that improved.
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Generally the courses are tough, but I'm not sure if they use exactly the same for all the different events etc. So I couldn't say if all courses are tough or not - they probably are looking at the landscape.
I do believe it is slightly "warmer" now - which should help in terms of making the courses faster. Skiing in minus 20C can be ridiculously slow. Might be that artificial snow is even worse in cold temperatures? That I don't know.
Iranian alpine skier of all things tested positive for something.
Norway beating Switzerland in curling wasn't exactly expected. Way too early to say, but that win might become important one week from now in the race for top 4. Norway needs a couple of those surprising results to reach the semi finals.
Norway beating Switzerland in curling wasn't exactly expected. Way too early to say, but that win might become important one week from now in the race for top 4. Norway needs a couple of those surprising results to reach the semi finals.
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That was, like, almost none of them. The whole thing with state-sponsored doping is that they were doping everyone.
Their freaking *curling* team was busted for doping at the last games.
The punishment for what Russia did is not nearly enough. And stuff like today shows that the point hasn't really gotten across.
Well. Many of the younger athletes were kids when this was going on. Still you just refuse to allow them
to compete in the Olympics?
If the answer is yes what do we think about the Oregon Project? All the American sprinters etc being caught year after year? I mean NHL players at one point participated in the Olympics with a special clause saying they couldn’t be tested during the games.
Easy to say one think they should have been punished more severely. Very very difficult to actually define what that means. And I’m writing this as a Norwegian. Probably one of countries with the least number of athletes caught in the world. I hate PEDs, but I don’t think punishing people for their nationality is the way to go.
Having a bad coach or a bad organizing body for one sport is totally different from having state-sponsored doping from the top levels of government.
What Russia did was absolutely shocking and sickening. It's the most egregious thing to happen since East German athletics in the 1980s and the IOC needed to take a much harder stand to ensure that nothing like this ever, ever happens again.
I'm generally not for punishing athletes who potentially weren't directly involved but this was so big that it needed to happen that way. Instead little has changed except the Russian anthem isn't played after their doped athletes win.
But it isn’t though. Russia could have easily outsourced this to private companies. And for the US to think all these athletes were just individuals is extremely naive. So many sprinters etc were caught year after year. And those not formally caught I think most would say with a fair degree of certainty were using PEDs. Like Armstrong just a bit better at hiding it.
It isn’t true nothing has changed. But many of today’s athletes - like someone like Bolsjunov wasn’t competing when this happened.
I’m not saying they have done everything right, but I see why this is difficult.
So you're suggesting these current Russian athletes are doping as well ? Where is your evidence ? Bolshunov has been tested and tested again. Plenty of other countries are far from squeaky clean. Turkey, Spain, several African countries, Jamaica and the US. Even here in the UK we have had some athletes who have shown remarkable improvement out of nowhere with suspicions about how they have done it but any discussion is shouted down.
Why should clean athletes be punished ?
What do you mean doping everyone ? They doped quite a few but plenty of were clean as in the team sports.All those athletes were tested rigorously but yet in your Russophobic tirade would use an assumption with no basis in fact to ban all Russian athletes despite the fact that the current competitors have tested and tested and have been clean.
It was clearly systematic and state drive in Russia. There is really no excuse for that. But you can’t punish people not directly involved in my opinion.
Basically all major countries have been using PEDs (and many smaller as well of course, but smaller countries got less resources). I don’t think Russia is necessarily worse, but certainly nothing to suggest they are or have been better.
Basically all major countries have been using PEDs (and many smaller as well of course, but smaller countries got less resources). I don’t think Russia is necessarily worse, but certainly nothing to suggest they are or have been better.
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Got to feel real good for her. We're seeing a lot of "older" athletes taking home medals in the racing disciplines. She looked dominant throughout the day.
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On the topic of Russia competing as ROC I think you have to let the non implicated Russians compete. You'd just be punishing them for where they were born otherwise and you'd see a big exodus of them trying to represent other former USSR countries the way Kazakhstan often "steals" Russia tennis players. However they should be competing as independent athletes under the Olympic flag as many athletes have done in the past. You can't ban them competing under the name Russia and then just have them compete under an acronym with Russian in it. That's just silly.
We almost certainly dope just as much as Russia. We're just less sloppy due to our mechanisms of cheating.
Russia's is top-down, which makes it easier to catch. Anything government controlled will be much sloppier. In contrast our cheating is corporate, bottom-up. We create conditions where our athletes almost have to dope (sport sustainability, $$, etc.). Our Committee then conveniently looks the other way, only to then label athletes 'bad apples' when caught.
It's this same mechanism that resulted in hundreds of gymnasts being sexually abused for years.
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Men's Snowcross finals. HOLY CRAP WHAT A RACE! 0.02 seconds from Groudin winning a gold for Canada! Silver is still great, but damn so close!
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These American curlers are hilarious. Looks like they just rolled out of bed after sleeping for 3 months.
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Wow, US wins Gold in Team Mixed Aerials. China was a MASSIVE favorite but the 2nd jumper had a major deduction. Obviously you are supposed to stick the landing, but upon landing, he was stiff-legged and did a full front somersault, BUT stuck the landing after the somersault. Huge deduction, but the commentator basically said that landing was one of the most amazing things she's seen
I agree. And to me it is a bit surprising. I kind of had the feeling we were starting to see more slalom/GS-riders trying to compete in Super-G - which again means you are getting close to being able to do a decent Downhill run in the Olympics and World Championships.
I don't think we will ever see a Lasse Kjus (or someone like Girardelli) again with five medals in the same Championships, but I do miss the time when Combined was more popular and prestigious.
I know they have tried and I guess the current Downhill isn't always a pure normal Downhill, but they might want to make it even more "Super-G". Don't know.
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This year, strangely, you had the speed guys more successful than the slalom guys at the Olympics.
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I guess in general that is correct.
In any case it has become an event few seem to care much about unfortunately. So the competition seems a bit random.
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