Prospect Info: 2022 8OA, Marco Kasper

[SirloinUB]

I did'nt rank them above. I think Kasper is great. I'm just saying other teams don't have nothing.

gotcha. The chain of comments was talking about prospects with higher upside and I wouldn’t put either Hage or Luchenko above Kasper in that regard.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

I don’t see Toews whatsoever. Kasper is much more physical, goes into the physical areas much more willingly. Yes they are both good defensively but in different ways. Offensively Kasper is more of a driver whereas Toews was more passive. Many other better comps out there.

Toews was great at center drive and finishing in tight. Toews was exceptional not good at defense, I will say a ton of that did come from being a big faceoff guy. I don’t think he was a better player than Zetterberg (who I do see the Raymond comparisons with) but he has similar size to Kasper and skating.

Toews and Kane were often separated in Chicago outside of PP with Toews as the primary line driver on his line. He put up 54 points as 19 year old rookie then lived in the 50s and 60s territory most of us are talking about Marco hopefully being in.

I am sure there are other comps, but most of what you said about Toews isn’t really how he played the game. Zetterberg giving him trouble in playoff series might have colored this different but he did that to Crosby, Kopitar, Thornton etc through the years. It wasn’t because he was a soft perimeter player. Toews when healthy played a 200 ft heavy correct game with pace.

By the way not an insignificant chance that Toews is one of our bottom six centers next year, I know lots of this board will hate that but I would think with Kane and Debrincat here it is one of his preferred destinations for his comeback.

 

[SirloinUB]

Toews was great at center drive and finishing in tight. Toews was exceptional not good at defense, I will say a ton of that did come from being a big faceoff guy. I don’t think he was a better player than Zetterberg (who I do see the Raymond comparisons with) but he has similar size to Kasper and skating.

Toews and Kane were often separated in Chicago outside of PP with Toews as the primary line driver on his line. He put up 54 points as 19 year old rookie then lived in the 50s and 60s territory most of us are talking about Marco hopefully being in.

I am sure there are other comps, but most of what you said about Toews isn’t really how he played the game. Zetterberg giving him trouble in playoff series might have colored this different but he did that to Crosby, Kopitar, Thornton etc through the years. It wasn’t because he was a soft perimeter player. Toews when healthy played a 200 ft heavy correct game with pace.

By the way not an insignificant chance that Toews is one of our bottom six centers next year, I know lots of this board will hate that but I would think with Kane and Debrincat here it is one of his preferred destinations for his comeback.

I actually like the idea of adding Toews but him Copp and Compher feels like overkill lol

 

[Winger98]

I actually like the idea of adding Toews but him Copp and Compher feels like overkill lol

yeah, adding another center like Toews would have to mean at least one of Copp/Compher are moved. Are we even sure Copp is going to be healthy by the start of next season, though? When it happened, it seemed the recovery time had a pretty big range to it.

 

[newfy]

Toews was great at center drive and finishing in tight. Toews was exceptional not good at defense, I will say a ton of that did come from being a big faceoff guy. I don’t think he was a better player than Zetterberg (who I do see the Raymond comparisons with) but he has similar size to Kasper and skating.

Toews and Kane were often separated in Chicago outside of PP with Toews as the primary line driver on his line. He put up 54 points as 19 year old rookie then lived in the 50s and 60s territory most of us are talking about Marco hopefully being in.

I am sure there are other comps, but most of what you said about Toews isn’t really how he played the game. Zetterberg giving him trouble in playoff series might have colored this different but he did that to Crosby, Kopitar, Thornton etc through the years. It wasn’t because he was a soft perimeter player. Toews when healthy played a 200 ft heavy correct game with pace.

By the way not an insignificant chance that Toews is one of our bottom six centers next year, I know lots of this board will hate that but I would think with Kane and Debrincat here it is one of his preferred destinations for his comeback.

I think Toews was overrated at the time because of how much they won, but he was definitely a legit first, line center. I think if they had all the puck battle winning type advanced stats back then, Toews would have been elite in a lot of that intangible stuff.

Kasper is very unlikely to be as good, but there's some definite similarities there

 

[norrisnick]

yeah, adding another center like Toews would have to mean at least one of Copp/Compher are moved. Are we even sure Copp is going to be healthy by the start of next season, though? When it happened, it seemed the recovery time had a pretty big range to it.

Come the fall it will have been 2 full seasons since he's last played and he'll be 37. Let's let him prove he's more than Veleno with faceoffs before we discard one of the UM twins.

 

[Winger98]

Come the fall it will have been 2 full seasons since he's last played and he'll be 37. Let's let him prove he's more than Veleno with faceoffs before we discard one of the UM twins.

I don't know. I think going into next year we can pencil Kasper into 2C and Ras into 3C. top9 wings are Ray, Debrincat, Soder, probably Kane. After that..Buch? Nate? Mazur? Tank is still signed, and berggren is a RFA. I'd be pretty close to moving Compher regardless, depending on Copp's injury.

If we have the space, I also don't have a problem with having any of them on the fourth line/press box, either. Guess just the optimist in me is hoping Yzerman can pull some other moves out.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

I actually like the idea of adding Toews but him Copp and Compher feels like overkill lol

There is a part of me that wants to make that the third/fourth line checking matchup while trading out one of Copp or Compher. Throw Mazur on the wing and just drive first lines nuts. I am not sure how good Toews will be in the comeback but I think he can fall out bed as high 50s draw guy.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

There is a part of me that wants to make that the third/fourth line checking matchup while trading out one of Copp or Compher. Throw Mazur on the wing and just drive first lines nuts. I am not sure how good Toews will be in the comeback but I think he can fall out bed as high 50s draw guy.

Compher is the one that can go and is likely easiest to trade. Hes cheaper than Copp and historically has better production.

 

[19 for president]

Compher is the one that can go and is likely easiest to trade. Hes cheaper than Copp and historically has better production.

I really want to try and deal Compher this off season. He's signed for longer, is terrible at faceoffs, is ok but not great defensively and I don't think adds enough offense vs Kasper at 2C to warrant being here. We'd be much better off using his money + to get a legit scoring winger.

Copp at least as a 4th line defensive guy adds an element we don't have on this team otherwise which is a good defensive center that can win faceoffs. He's overpaid for that role, but I'm ok with that as long as he's filling a legit role and not being thrust onto an offensive line.

We need more guys that actually have defined roles on this team besides minute muncher. Kasper is one of the very few guys on this team that can actually swiss army knife and play different roles well. He can play D, play wing/center, be gritty, support skill, etc. Most of our players can do one or two things well and it really limits where they can play in the lineup.

Draper/Yzerman need to be on the ice with Kasper and Ras this summer running them through the finer points of faceoffs. Bring up Danielson for this too lol.

Don't want Toews. I think he screams Tank 2.0 at best. The likelihood of him coming back at 36/37, having not played in years, and actually being decent is insanely slim. At best he's a PTO at camp and he better be at least 25% better than any of our prospects to warrant a spot.

 

[sepster]

I don't know. I think going into next year we can pencil Kasper into 2C and Ras into 3C. top9 wings are Ray, Debrincat, Soder, probably Kane. After that..Buch? Nate? Mazur? Tank is still signed, and berggren is a RFA. I'd be pretty close to moving Compher regardless, depending on Copp's injury.

If we have the space, I also don't have a problem with having any of them on the fourth line/press box, either. Guess just the optimist in me is hoping Yzerman can pull some other moves out.

Rasmussen penciled as the 3C? He needs to be penciled onto a bus ticket out of town.