Prospect Info: 2022 8OA, Marco Kasper

[JediOrderPizza]

I have higher hopes for both than Dave f***in Bolland. I'd easily trade them knowing that was their fate.

Also think there is a massive gap between Dave Bolland and Ryan Kesler.

 

[Dotter]

I have higher hopes for both than Dave f***in Bolland. I'd easily trade them knowing that was their fate.

Also think there is a massive gap between Dave Bolland and Ryan Kesler.

Both were thorny in their prime. If all of one of Kasper or Danielsson does is score 50points and score the Stanley cup game winning goal, then I would say that isn't so bad. But you want to trade that knowing their fate. I'd rather the cup knowing that is the fate. Otherwise, what is the point of NHL hockey?

But yeah, sure. I'd trade Kasper for a 1st line center not knowing that future. Sure as hell wouldn't be for EP40 with that shit contract tho- That is a surefire way Yzerman will successfully ruin the rebuild.

 

[DamonDRW]

How many 3rd line 50point centers are in the NHL? Yzerman can still can find a cost controlled 60-65 point guy for the 2nd line if both Kasper and Nate never reach 60. That's all Eriksson Ek is and he was drafted 20th.

Look, Wings are not going to be the TML or prime Bolts of their hayday. This version of the Wings are going to be a rugged deep team with no generational superstars. I would say Yzerman is building a poor mans, albeit more rugged version of the 2012 Blackhawks.

I'd be ecstatic if Kasper and Danielsson are 50 point centers with winning character. They will be the more like a 50 point PIA Kesler and Dave Bolland in my mind, not the Comphers. a healthy Kesler was a BEAST despite only being a 49 to 58 point center (minus a few outlier 70+ point seasons). Dave Bolland was an HUGE reason Hawks won the cup with the cup clinching game 6 goal against Boston, and he never scored more than 47 points in a season. That's not Compher!

You need these kind of guys to win the big silver trophies! That's the character Danielsson and Kasper are.

and then you need to recall that for Bollands and Keslers to perform the way they did you need to shelter them with real superstars like Sedins, Hossa, Kane, Towes, Keith, etc

 

[RabidBadger]

This is spoken like someone who hated Abdelkader becaue of the contract and completely glosses over that he was well liked before the end of that contract.

No. Just no. I didn't care for him when he was at MSU. I caught a lot of blowback here for saying he was a scrub after his "amazing" career year of 40-something points. Just because people keep regurgitating the mantra he was hated solely because of his contract does not make it true.

If anything is being glossed over it's that people turned on him because they realized he was ineffective without someone to carry him AND he had a bad contract.

 

[Snuggs]

Both were thorny in their prime. If all of one of Kasper or Danielsson does is score 50points and score the Stanley cup game winning goal, then I would say that isn't so bad. But you want to trade that knowing their fate. I'd rather the cup knowing that is the fate. Otherwise, what is the point of NHL hockey?

But yeah, sure. I'd trade Kasper for a 1st line center not knowing that future. Sure as hell wouldn't be for EP40 with that shit contract tho- That is a surefire way Yzerman will successfully ruin the rebuild.

Yeah well if I'd be cool with Zadina too if he did that...

I could say something wild too like that second bolded comment; like it'd be the move that catapults Yzerman's rebuild/the team into a Stanley cup. Doesn't mean it's right, and like you now, until a deal is made, I'll never be able to be proven wrong.

and then you need to recall that for Bollands and Keslers to perform the way they did you need to shelter them with real superstars like Sedins, Hossa, Kane, Towes, Keith, etc

This is more my point than not... If Kasper/Danielson really aren't going to be fringe 1st line centers, go get one, wings have Kasper/Danielson/Lombardi all fighting essentially for the same role, Middle line center;2nd/3rd lines. (imo). Personally, it's EP or no one right now because I'm pretty confident that all three players can be similar produces to Dylan Cozens. All three would be lucky to get 70-80 points consistently, again(imo).

 

[RedHawkDown]

Both were thorny in their prime. If all of one of Kasper or Danielsson does is score 50points and score the Stanley cup game winning goal, then I would say that isn't so bad. But you want to trade that knowing their fate. I'd rather the cup knowing that is the fate. Otherwise, what is the point of NHL hockey?

But yeah, sure. I'd trade Kasper for a 1st line center not knowing that future. Sure as hell wouldn't be for EP40 with that shit contract tho- That is a surefire way Yzerman will successfully ruin the rebuild.

Larkin is a 70-80 pt player, and Raymond is a 90pt one. DBC, if he's extended further, is a 65-70pt player. Once Kane is gone, if the next best offensive players on our team are 2 50 pt centres, we aren't winning anything. Dave Bolland only shined in his role because he was sheltered by Kane and Toews being actual stars.

We need Kasper to be a Kesler (50-60pt with 70 pt seasons in his prime), and we need Danielson to be a poor man's Bergeron. Otherwise we should trade them to try and get someone like Pettersson.

 

[Winger98]

Toews wasn't on Kane's level. Credit to Toews for upping his game in the playoffs, but I think he was always a clear tier below guys like Kane, Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Bergeron, etc. For a guy who was a 1CV on three Cup teams, there are a quite a few centers I think I take over him in that 05-15 era.

actually, just double checked and didn't realize Toews started his run in 08. He's still not too high on my list.

I think if Ksaper somehow manages to be 50 point 2C and Danielson is a PPG selke-ish 1c...we are rolling. We will win a ton of games with that and then throwing Mo and Ed over the boards 45-50 minutes a night.

and then you need to recall that for Bollands and Keslers to perform the way they did you need to shelter them with real superstars like Sedins, Hossa, Kane, Towes, Keith, etc

I don't think Kesler had to be sheltered. I think he ate a lot of tough matchups in Vancouver that helped free the sedins up from always having to take harder matchups themselves.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Toews wasn't on Kane's level. Credit to Toews for upping his game in the playoffs, but I think he was always a clear tier below guys like Kane, Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Bergeron, etc. For a guy who was a 1CV on three Cup teams, there are a quite a few centers I think I take over him in that 05-15 era.

actually, just double checked and didn't realize Toews started his run in 08. He's still not too high on my list.

I think if Ksaper somehow manages to be 50 point 2C and Danielson is a PPG selke-ish 1c...we are rolling. We will win a ton of games with that and then throwing Mo and Ed over the boards 45-50 minutes a night.



I don't think Kesler had to be sheltered. I think he ate a lot of tough matchups in Vancouver that helped free the sedins up from always having to take harder matchups themselves.

Absolutely, I agree. if Danielson is a PPG selke-ish 1C, then we've knocked it out of the park with him - that's essentially Bergeron-lite, as I said. But if they BOTH end up as 40-50pt 3Cs, then it's an issue.

 

[Winger98]

Absolutely, I agree. if Danielson is a PPG selke-ish 1C, then we've knocked it out of the park with him - that's essentially Bergeron-lite, as I said. But if they BOTH end up as 40-50pt 3Cs, then it's an issue.

we'll just sign McDavid in two summers