Prospect Info: 2022 8OA, Marco Kasper

[Zetterberg4Captain]

So like yesterday lol

Pencilling him in at 4th line center is so dumb. Try him on a wing and just tell him to fly around and be annoying. Raymond will find him and the confidence will come. The wings have been so bad, and he's one of the only guys that looks like he gives a shit. Veleno can play 4th line center for a game or two and try that out

Honestly you can put any vet at 4th line enter at this point..who cares..it's not a role/position that matters whatsoever anymore this season...heck put Motte there

 

[verbal91]

Abdelkader as center ?
They need to fing him a datsyuk winger to bang pucks of his ass...

 

[Realgud]

Abdelkader as center ?
They need to fing him a datsyuk winger to bang pucks of his ass...

damn, first post of a 2006 account

 

[13to40]

No points in 10. So when are we allowed to say that just maybe, all this “limited upside talk” might be true?

He looked pretty good to me last night. My girlfriend who doesn’t know much about hockey even made a comment how #92 seemed to be one of the better skaters on the ice all night.

He is a high motor player. He will figure it out offensively in due time.

The only mistake this team can make with this player is stapling him on the fourth line. He needs to be playing in a scoring role for him to properly develop. Otherwise he will end up being a potential wasted Talent; just like Joe Veleno is being stapled as a 4C.

 

[RedHawkDown]

The 2022 draft has nobody who was a better pick at 8 and even if the guys taken ahead of him only Cooley is significantly better

Just a weak draft so far. Kasper will be a good 2/3C tweener as expected

 

[nhlisawesome]

Not a needle mover never will be

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

His motor seems neverending. As much as I'm excited to see his offense begin to flourish, I'm even more so excited to see that really annoying and hard to play against pesky Marchand/Callahan type player he was in the SHL.

I've been saying this for the last few weeks. Throw him on the top line, I mean what could possibly be any worse than what this team has done recently?

speaking of marchand, he only put up 1 point in 20 games, and that was in his d+4. anyone trying to shape a narrative about his offensive potential based are his rookie season clearly has an agenda

 

[19 for president]

Unless a young guy is an elite prospect few put up numbers in the NHL playing center in their rookie year. If he were playing wing I'd be more concerned but he isn't. He is largely being used as a 2/3 center with very one dimensional linemates, which puts even more pressure on him to be the 1st man back.

There is a reason most forwards are brought in and played on wing early in their careers even if teams plan for them to be centers later on.

We have two guys on this team that are offensive line drivers and he is playing with neither.

I don't think he is ever going to be a driver offensively but I think he can compliment one really well, while reamining elite defensively.

 

[ricky0034]

The 2022 draft has nobody who was a better pick at 8 and even if the guys taken ahead of him only Cooley is significantly better

Just a weak draft so far. Kasper will be a good 2/3C tweener as expected

yeah I wasn't a fan of not trying for higher upside with that pick but certainly nothing to be particularly upset with missing out on there so far

we'll see if that changes, there might still be a high end player or two that went in that like 9-15 or so range when it's all said and done

 

[RabidBadger]

He's 20. He's playing center in the NHL. He's not Bedard or Celebrini or whatever lottery pick. Wtf are some of you expecting who are writing him off? The team he's on is pretty lethargic as well.

 

[raymond23]

Rather he go back down to GR if they're going to use him like this

What I don't get his putting him on the fourth line but then giving him pp1 duties on the flank...

 

[sepster]

damn, first post of a 2006 account

The guy picks his spots....

 

[SirloinUB]

he’s not a line driver. Just facts. Did i want him at our choice? probably not but hes a good player. one of the only players to play with jam and some f***in heart on this team. Kasper will be a fine wing coming from someone who wasn’t happy with the selection.

I don’t know how one watches Kasper’s ability to transport the puck and lands on these conclusions.

I’m not sure how good he’ll ultimately be but there is loads of potential there.

 

[OldnotDeadWings]

He's playing almost 15 miinutes a game and holding his own. It doesn't matter what line number it's called. Unless he's playing with Raymond or DBC or the rare game that the old guy wearing a Kane jersey has had an injection of quasi-legal PEDs they're all somewhere between useless and mediocre. He's a cut above all of them defensively.

I guess iit's mpossiible for some people to imagine a 20-point rookie season being successful. Or to realize that many good two-way physical centers often need three or four years before they have an offensive impact. You can win with center depth that can skate, defend and make life uncomfortable for opposing teams. Soft down the middle doesn''t work so well..

 

[SirloinUB]

No points in 10. So when are we allowed to say that just maybe, all this “limited upside talk” might be true?

Consider this:

In the off-season of 2024 Dylan Holloway signed an offer sheet that would pay him 2.1M. Holloway was coming off a season were he scored 9 points.

The oilers accepted the compensation and then signed 6 time 30 goal (also scored 40 goals) Jeff skinner for about 3M.

This year Holloway has 10 goals and 19 points which would place him 3rd among oilers forwards in points and goals. Skinner has 6 goals and 12 points.

Now, I know you and others aren't saying we should punt Kasper for a 3rd round pick and bring in a 33 year old. However the point is that you gotta be forward looking rather than boxing these young guys in early.



Also, its quite amusing that this board constantly says stuff like "we gotta develop these guys in the NHL" and then when yzerman does that, turn around and start trying to cap the ceiling on the very same guys.

Which is it, should they develop on the roster or should we be playing the corpse of David Perron (or whatever washed up vet)?

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

For those crying about his lack of points, look at his linemates. How have they been? What real opportunity has there been with the scraps Kasper’s been playing with?

Also, there are plenty of people on this board ready to empty the prospect cupboard to trade for Dylan Cozens. The same Dylan Cozens that scored 13 points in his first season. (41 games)

We were lucky with Mo and Raymond coming in as 1st line/1st pair scoring rookies. The reality is most players that break in aren’t. It likely take 2-3 more seasons before we see Kasper’s true offensive potential. Same was true of Eriksson-Ekk, ROR, Kesler, Coutourier. Guys we hope and think Kasper has the potential to be on par with.

 

[Winger98]

For those crying about his lack of points, look at his linemates. How have they been? What real opportunity has there been with the scraps Kasper’s been playing with?

Also, there are plenty of people on this board ready to empty the prospect cupboard to trade for Dylan Cozens. The same Dylan Cozens that scored 13 points in his first season. (41 games)

We were lucky with Mo and Raymond coming in as 1st line/1st pair scoring rookies. The reality is most players that break in aren’t. It likely take 2-3 more seasons before we see Kasper’s true offensive potential. Same was true of Eriksson-Ekk, ROR, Kesler, Coutourier. Guys we hope and think Kasper has the potential to be on par with.

Don't know why we're not putting him next to Larkin and Raymond and giving him ten games to see how it goes.

 

[cvaicunas]

Don't know why we're not putting him next to Larkin and Raymond and giving him ten games to see how it goes.

I would prefer the Blashill blender to some extent over Lalonde's avoidance of changing lines, save for swapping out the same wingers, over and over again

 

[DamonDRW]

For those crying about his lack of points, look at his linemates. How have they been? What real opportunity has there been with the scraps Kasper’s been playing with?

Also, there are plenty of people on this board ready to empty the prospect cupboard to trade for Dylan Cozens. The same Dylan Cozens that scored 13 points in his first season. (41 games)

We were lucky with Mo and Raymond coming in as 1st line/1st pair scoring rookies. The reality is most players that break in aren’t. It likely take 2-3 more seasons before we see Kasper’s true offensive potential. Same was true of Eriksson-Ekk, ROR, Kesler, Coutourier. Guys we hope and think Kasper has the potential to be on par with.

there is also an "eye test" that clearly says he is not more than a 3rd line checking center. I mean I've seen absolutely nothing from him except for good wheels and decent defensive game. Draper v 2.0 if we are lucky.

 

[Winger98]

I would prefer the Blashill blender to some extent over Lalonde's avoidance of changing lines, save for swapping out the same wingers, over and over again

Lalonde constructs his lines as if he has prime Kane and Tank and not the 30+ year old versions. I've thought the team has looked its best when he has elevated speedy/checker guys into the top9. It was maybe a bit counter intuitive, but our older guys up front need that element next to them, imo.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Lalonde constructs his lines as if he has prime Kane and Tank and not the 30+ year old versions. I've thought the team has looked its best when he has elevated speedy/checker guys into the top9. It was maybe a bit counter intuitive, but our older guys up front need that element next to them, imo.

I am going to say the quiet part out loud. Apart from Larkin, Ray and Cat, they are all pretty mediocre at this stage. This team does not have a lot of good offensive talent and options.

 

[The Zermanator]

There are too many 'day late and a dollar short' players on the team. The Copps, Petrys, Holls, Gustafssons, Velenos, Comphers, etc. Players that always seem to be on their heels, a half step behind the play.

That's not what I see out of Kasper. I see intensity, I see effort, and I see a guy who takes the game/play to the other team, rather than resting on his heels and trying to weather the onslaught. I like what I see out of him a lot and have seen enough flashes to think there is a good amount of untapped offensive potential there. He needs more time to adjust to the NHL, some better linemates, and some better opportunities. But with those I'm confident he'll be a valuable player for us.

 

[Winger98]

I am going to say the quiet part out loud. Apart from Larkin, Ray and Cat, they are all pretty mediocre at this stage. This team does not have a lot of good offensive talent and options.

I don't disagree, I just think we have looked our best (not saying a lot lately, I know) when we haven't tried to pretend Tank and Kane can carry a line. Motte is limited, but he at least gets in and isn't allergic to the boards.

 

[norrisnick]

Not having tried Berggren - Kasper - Raymond together at this point is just stupid.

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

Put him on the wing with Larkin and Raymond.