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Prospect Info: 2022 31st Overall Pick | LW Isaac Howard

I don't see what Howard has to gain by going back to MSU? I don't follow them to know if they've got a great freshman class or transfer class coming in to make them title favorites anymore than they were this year. Not sure NIL compensation for NCAA hockey to see if he'll make more that way over an ELC and signing bonuses. Winning another Hobey Baker or NCAA title isn't going to increase his ELC pay or bonus payouts. It also isn't going to make him more in an arbitration case or when he signs his next deal. Putting up points in the pro's will.
 
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AlwaysSunnyInTampa said:
Asset management is circumstantial.

Geekie was here because we had no other depth. He is now in the AHL where he should have been from the beginning once we addressed our depth.

Sheary was so bad we had to bury him.

Chaffee and Atkinson are on the shelf gathering dust but are there strictly for when we need them.

Then there's Ike... if the kid wanted a contract and not to play at all, then f*** that noise. But if we told our best prospect in like 6 years "NO!! YOU'RE GOING TO SYRACUSE AFTER WINNING THE HOBEY AND YOU GET TO WATCH OTHER COLLEGE PLAYERS GO TO THE NHL PLAYOFFS AND THAT'S FINAL11!!"

Then idk what to tell you dude. You're not creating precedent. You're giving the Hobey Baker winner a look. Other college players who DIDN'T win the Hobey can go to the AHL.

I don't give a squirrel's nut what the locker room culture in Detroit was 25 years ago and we want to emulate it. These kids weren't even born yet. But it sounds to me that this is the basis of our reasoning, and I'm sick and tired of waiting 4 years everytime we draft someone just for that guy to tell us to get bent. This is like the 6th time this has happened

If we trade this guy, word will get out that Tampa is stuck in the dark ages. Whether we deserve it or not, that will be our reputation. And if you get drafted by Tampa, your career is officially on pause until you run out the clock


Our flex is that we sent the best college player in the country back to MSU. Allthewhile lesser players are getting looks right now. Why? Because we either f***ed up cap space or called Ike entitled for wanting the standard treatment that all the other college players get.




Or we landed the one dude who wants to burn a year off his ELC but doesn't want to play
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If he's not willing to play in Syracuse, he's not a good fit. We can't gift anybody a spot. The odds of him being better than Geekie are slim.
 
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HoseEmDown said:
I don't see what Howard has to gain by going back to MSU? I don't follow them to know if they've got a great freshman class or transfer class coming in to make them title favorites anymore than they were this year. Not sure NIL compensation for NCAA hockey to see if he'll make more that way over an ELC and signing bonuses. Winning another Hobey Baker or NCAA title isn't going to increase his ELC pay or bonus payouts. It also isn't going to make him more in an arbitration case or when he signs his next deal. Putting up points in the pro's will.
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Maybe family trophy case who knows some people do what they want. Maybe family wants him to try to win an NCAA title lol.
 
DFC said:
If he's not willing to play in Syracuse, he's not a good fit. We can't gift anybody a spot. The odds of him being better than Geekie are slim.
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Totally agree, you must be better than Geekie, Gage, Brown,Chafee, even ffs Girgs and whoever we will get at offseasson to get spot in roster.
Trade him with Perbix to Buf for Tuch at Offseason sign Gourde and some decent D and we will be good
 
HoseEmDown said:
I don't see what Howard has to gain by going back to MSU? I don't follow them to know if they've got a great freshman class or transfer class coming in to make them title favorites anymore than they were this year. Not sure NIL compensation for NCAA hockey to see if he'll make more that way over an ELC and signing bonuses. Winning another Hobey Baker or NCAA title isn't going to increase his ELC pay or bonus payouts. It also isn't going to make him more in an arbitration case or when he signs his next deal. Putting up points in the pro's will.
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Agreed. Even ignoring the money, what challenge is left for him in the NCAA? For his development, learning the pro game is the next step.
 
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DFC said:
If he's not willing to play in Syracuse, he's not a good fit. We can't gift anybody a spot. The odds of him being better than Geekie are slim.
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You may very well be right. I don't have the full story. But those good ol CHL Canadian boys who had nowhere else to go but Syracuse once they turned 20 are going be the death kneel of building through the 1st round of the draft ever again. The corpse of Cam Atkinson is being gifted a spot right now despite never once playing a game for Syracuse when being waived.

The mental gymnastics need to stop. If Ike was willing to accept reassignment when necessary then we screwed up an incredibly easy process
 
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AlwaysSunnyInTampa said:
You may very well be right. I don't have the full story. But those good ol CHL Canadian boys who had nowhere else to go but Syracuse once they turned 20 are going be the death kneel of building through the 1st round of the draft ever again. The corpse of Cam Atkinson is being gifted a spot right now despite never once playing a game for Syracuse when being waived.

The mental gymnastics need to stop
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Some guys might not help, but other guys hurt us. And some guys still have things to gain by playing pro hockey at a lower level. But the main problem, if it's true he doesn't want to play in Syracuse, is the attitude. Nikita Kucherov put in 10 or 12 games with the Crunch and forced his way up.

Howard is 21. What he's doing right now would be really impressive if he was 18, maybe 19. At 21 it's like... well, it "might" mean he's going to be something. But overage Hobey Baker winners don't exactly have stellar NHL track records.
 
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AlwaysSunnyInTampa said:
You may very well be right. I don't have the full story. But those good ol CHL Canadian boys who had nowhere else to go but Syracuse once they turned 20 are going be the death kneel of building through the 1st round of the draft ever again. The corpse of Cam Atkinson is being gifted a spot right now despite never once playing a game for Syracuse when being waived.

The mental gymnastics need to stop. If Ike was willing to accept reassignment when necessary then we screwed up an incredibly easy process
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That's the issue, doesn't appear that he was
 
DFC said:
Some guys might not help, but other guys hurt us. And some guys still have things to gain by playing pro hockey at a lower level. But the main problem, if it's true he doesn't want to play in Syracuse, is the attitude. Nikita Kucherov put in 10 or 12 games with the Crunch and forced his way up.

Howard is 21. What he's doing right now would be really impressive if he was 18, maybe 19. At 21 it's like... well, it "might" mean he's going to be something. But overage Hobey Baker winners don't exactly have stellar NHL track records.
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I don't even know the truth anymore and 99% of this is frustration venting

Personal opinion: I think Howard was cool with being a healthy scratch. Well. I'm not cool with that. If I have found the truth here then we made the right call.

But I am openly speculating more than I should because I have been wary for years of our approach to prospects. It is because telling a Hobey Baker winner he can't play here at all without a proper practice and coaching evaluation is exactly the kind of thing I'd expect from an organization that promptly chained Kucherov to the bench AFTER playing his way up from Syracuse. That's my nightmare fuel.

I don't find that any less snobby or entitled than if someone who said no to THE best coach of this generation about reassignment after 2 games or so. If Jon Cooper says you go to the A after he looks at you... you pack up. No questions asked.

That's the only real difference here
 
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DFC said:
Some guys might not help, but other guys hurt us. And some guys still have things to gain by playing pro hockey at a lower level. But the main problem, if it's true he doesn't want to play in Syracuse, is the attitude. Nikita Kucherov put in 10 or 12 games with the Crunch and forced his way up.

Howard is 21. What he's doing right now would be really impressive if he was 18, maybe 19. At 21 it's like... well, it "might" mean he's going to be something. But overage Hobey Baker winners don't exactly have stellar NHL track records.
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I tend to think of the bulk of NCAA players as older. Lots of 23 and 24-year-olds. Orlando signed a 26-year-old who just finished his grad year.

Howard objectively had the best pts per game in all of DI. From NCHC to AHA.
 
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Three things can be true...

1. Howard is a good prospect and will produce somewhere, if not here.
2. JBB doesn't see him burning a year of his ELC in the cores waning years and wants to maximize every dollar, thus, Howard isn't getting it or any special treatment because JBB will just sign someone or trade for someone without batting an eye. In short, he's expendable.
3. Girgensons sucks, we cannot forget this.


Our top six is pretty set. People were extremely high on Dorkstrand but he plays more like a middle winger than a top 6 winger. I'd actually prefer him as a scoring winger on the 3rd. If Geekie fills that gap, where is Howard chilling? 3rd or 4th line? Do we move 9M Guentzel down? Hagel? My point is, I don't think Brisebois is too bothered given the depth at wing we have right now.

I really wanted to see Howard play for us. Though, character does matter when it comes to GM/HC/Ops... so if Howard brought a draft day frat boy type ego wanting NHL time, I could see that being a bit problematic for the most successful franchise in the last dozen years. The team doesn't get supplanted by any individual. If they moved on from Stamkos, they sure as shit won't lose an ounce of sleep trading 0 GP Isaac Howard to another franchise. Again, id like to see him play for us but I don't get the feeling he's going to at this point.
 
AlwaysSunnyInTampa said:
I don't even know the truth anymore and 99% of this is frustration venting

Personal opinion: I think Howard was cool with being a healthy scratch. Well. I'm not cool with that. If I have found the truth here then we made the right call.

But I am openly speculating more than I should because I have been wary for years of our approach to prospects. It is because telling a Hobey Baker winner he can't play here at all without a proper practice and coaching evaluation is exactly the kind of thing I'd expect from an organization that promptly chained Kucherov to the bench AFTER playing his way up from Syracuse. That's my nightmare fuel.

I don't find that any less snobby or entitled than if someone who said no to THE best coach of this generation about reassignment after 2 games or so. If Jon Cooper says you go to the A after he looks at you... you pack up. No questions asked.

That's the only real difference here
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I'm not aware of any player that asked to be assigned to Orlando after the Crunch were eliminated.
 
Haven’t seen it reported by a major media outlet yet, but Cam Atkinson was assigned to Syracuse yesterday according to the AHL website’s transaction tracker.

That would free up the necessary cap space to sign Howard.

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BriseBois should have traded him at the deadline if he thought there was going to be an impasse. And if he didn't think it would be hard to sign Howard, then he didn't communicate well enough with Howard. f***ing hell
 
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