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AlwaysSunnyInTampa said:
I'm not saying Howard couldn't handle this better. But the whole "You must pay tribute to Syracuse" bit is f***ing ridiculous. We've had 1 draft pick in the 1st round since the last ice age and we have to die on this hill. Imagine making Matthew Knies do this.

I guess we can just hold our breath from now on everytime we draft someone.
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We learned this “everyone has to put in their time” culture thing from Detroit and yzerman and well let me go ahead and take a good mouthful of piping hot coffee and then immediately check on how they’ve been doing the last 10 years…
 
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AlwaysSunnyInTampa said:
I'm not saying Howard couldn't handle this better. But the whole "You must pay tribute to Syracuse" bit is f***ing ridiculous. We've had 1 draft pick in the 1st round since the last ice age and we have to die on this hill. Imagine making Matthew Knies do this.

I guess we can just hold our breath from now on everytime we draft someone.
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RussianGuyovich said:
We learned this “everyone has to put in their time” culture thing from Detroit and yzerman and well let me go ahead and take a good mouthful of piping hot coffee and then immediately check on how they’ve been doing the last 10 years…
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I'm not buying it. We have Geekie as a counter-argument that the organization demands our prospects to spend a full professional year in the AHL. If JBB insisted he had to spend a full season in Syracuse, then why not just come out and say that was the issue? If you're going to pitch the reason for the decision to the press, which I like, there is zero reason to be so intentionally vague except to not be called out for it later.
 
AlwaysSunnyInTampa said:
I'm not saying Howard couldn't handle this better. But the whole "You must pay tribute to Syracuse" bit is f***ing ridiculous. We've had 1 draft pick in the 1st round since the last ice age and we have to die on this hill. Imagine making Matthew Knies do this.

I guess we can just hold our breath from now on everytime we draft someone.
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Well the team has a system and everyone follows it.

But hey, if he goes to the Crunch and just absolutely tears it up then yeah, we could bring him up early.

But I'm not going to lie, he's starting to give my Drouin (I'm too good for that) vibes.

I get that players are confident and have ego's but the NHL is a business and part of that means doing what's best for the team. In this case (it appears) JBB feels that sending him to the AHL first is the best option for the team.

Howard isn't happy with that and decided to play another year of college.

On the flip side you have Geekie and Sheary, two players at complete opposite points in their careers and yet BOTH are sucking it up and playing well.

Talent isn't the be all end all for JBB and the Lightning. You need to be a good fit and play/conduct yourself a certain way. Howard doesn't seem to be willing to do that.

You may not agree with it but that seems to be JBB's philosophy. If he caves and lets Howard get special treatment then what kind of message does that send to other prospects?

Don't get me wrong, I've been super excited to see what Howard can do but he's not some crazy high pick that has superstar written all over him. Imo he should just play in Syracuse first to get a taste of pro hockey and learn the system down there before getting sent straight from college to the NHL playoffs.

And again, like I said earlier, if he just kills it in the AHL and its CLEAR that he is waaay too good not to have him on the team then absolutely bring him up.


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Why would we guarantee him a spot in a year if we couldn't now? We don't do that, and even if we did, he'd be a few months from UFA and have full control over which organization he wants to sign with, why would he decide to put himself behind a logjam here?

I don't see the sky falling either, because we can trade his rights away. Is the sky falling with respect to his future on this team though? Unfortunately it is hard to argue otherwise
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Can’t really guarantee him a spot our top 9 next season could be very good without Howard.

Guentzel,point, kucherov
Hagel,cirelli, Bjorkstrand
Geekie, Paul,gourde
Chafie, vacant, 28 girgs

I think geekie could be more ready next year probably a better player then Howard

I’m assuming there is a good chance gourde signs with us again I don’t see a reason why he won’t really
 
I mean they're not going to not do so. Certainly a chance the kid stays.

Idk he's an asset with upside so obviously you want him to stay but I'm just not going to get twisted about a D+3? player with no pro experience not being on our roster.
 
The Macho King said:
I mean they're not going to not do so. Certainly a chance the kid stays.

Idk he's an asset with upside so obviously you want him to stay but I'm just not going to get twisted about a D+3? player with no pro experience not being on our roster.
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Like I said earlier, if BriseBois didn't have interest in giving Howard 3-4 games to end the regular season, he should have traded Howard's rights at the deadline. There was ZERO way Howard was going to willingly sign an ATO to end the regular season in the A after having an elite NCAA season.
 
Hockeyville USA said:
Would guess $100K-125K. Not sure State has the backing at current moment to give a shit ton to hockey, but maybe they do, who knows.
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Yeah no clue. I was thinking it would have to compete with signing bonus this year ($95k) + AHL salary next year ($85k). But money aside, Syracuse can’t compete with college life.
 
If it's dead and done - trade him. Obviously the preference of everyone is to keep him, but do what you gotta do. He has excellent value as a prospect.

Just a few random thoughts:

1. Like others have said, in today's age of college athletics I wonder what he's being paid to stay at Michigan State.

2. He once mentioned prior to his draft that Kucherov, Panarin, and Guentzel were the 3 players he liked to study and emulate. Seems weird to potentially pass up on an opportunity to learn from 2 of those 3 guys.

3. If they want to trade him, maybe look at swapping for a defenseman. The top prospects in our system are all forwards and we're weak on blueliners and goalies. I'm curious what we could get. If you can get a 20-22 year old who doesn't project to needing a lot more time compared to an 18 or 19 year old, even better.
 
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Master P said:
Well the team has a system and everyone follows it.

But hey, if he goes to the Crunch and just absolutely tears it up then yeah, we could bring him up early.

But I'm not going to lie, he's starting to give my Drouin (I'm too good for that) vibes.

I get that players are confident and have ego's but the NHL is a business and part of that means doing what's best for the team. In this case (it appears) JBB feels that sending him to the AHL first is the best option for the team.

Howard isn't happy with that and decided to play another year of college.

On the flip side you have Geekie and Sheary, two players at complete opposite points in their careers and yet BOTH are sucking it up and playing well.

Talent isn't the be all end all for JBB and the Lightning. You need to be a good fit and play/conduct yourself a certain way. Howard doesn't seem to be willing to do that.

You may not agree with it but that seems to be JBB's philosophy. If he caves and lets Howard get special treatment then what kind of message does that send to other prospects?

Don't get me wrong, I've been super excited to see what Howard can do but he's not some crazy high pick that has superstar written all over him. Imo he should just play in Syracuse first to get a taste of pro hockey and learn the system down there before getting sent straight from college to the NHL playoffs.

And again, like I said earlier, if he just kills it in the AHL and its CLEAR that he is waaay too good not to have him on the team then absolutely bring him up.


Thank you for coming to my TED TALK.
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Asset management is circumstantial.

Geekie was here because we had no other depth. He is now in the AHL where he should have been from the beginning once we addressed our depth.

Sheary was so bad we had to bury him.

Chaffee and Atkinson are on the shelf gathering dust but are there strictly for when we need them.

Then there's Ike... if the kid wanted a contract and not to play at all, then f*** that noise. But if we told our best prospect in like 6 years "NO!! YOU'RE GOING TO SYRACUSE AFTER WINNING THE HOBEY AND YOU GET TO WATCH OTHER COLLEGE PLAYERS GO TO THE NHL PLAYOFFS AND THAT'S FINAL11!!"

Then idk what to tell you dude. You're not creating precedent. You're giving the Hobey Baker winner a look. Other college players who DIDN'T win the Hobey can go to the AHL.

I don't give a squirrel's nut what the locker room culture in Detroit was 25 years ago and we want to emulate it. These kids weren't even born yet. But it sounds to me that this is the basis of our reasoning, and I'm sick and tired of waiting 4 years everytime we draft someone just for that guy to tell us to get bent. This is like the 6th time this has happened

If we trade this guy, word will get out that Tampa is stuck in the dark ages. Whether we deserve it or not, that will be our reputation. And if you get drafted by Tampa, your career is officially on pause until you run out the clock


Our flex is that we sent the best college player in the country back to MSU. Allthewhile lesser players are getting looks right now. Why? Because we either f***ed up cap space or called Ike entitled for wanting the standard treatment that all the other college players get.




Or we landed the one dude who wants to burn a year off his ELC but doesn't want to play
 
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AlwaysSunnyInTampa said:
Asset management is circumstantial.

Geekie was here because we had no other depth. He is now in the AHL where he should have been from the beginning once we addressed our depth.

Sheary was so bad we had to bury him.

Chaffee and Atkinson are on the shelf gathering dust but are there strictly for when we need them.

Then there's Ike... if the kid wanted a contract and not to play at all, then f*** that noise. But if we told our best prospect in like 6 years "NO!! YOU'RE GOING TO SYRACUSE AFTER WINNING THE HOBEY AND YOU GET TO WATCH OTHER COLLEGE PLAYERS GO TO THE NHL PLAYOFFS AND THAT'S FINAL11!!"

Then idk what to tell you dude. You're not creating precedent. You're giving the Hobey Baker winner a look. Other college players who DIDN'T win the Hobey can go to the AHL.

I don't give a squirrel's nut what the locker room culture in Detroit was 25 years ago and we want to emulate it. These kids weren't even born yet. But it sounds to me that this is the basis of our reasoning, and I'm sick and tired of waiting 4 years everytime we draft someone just for that guy to tell us to get bent. This is like the 6th time this has happened

If we trade this guy, word will get out that Tampa is stuck in the dark ages. Whether we deserve it or not, that will be our reputation. And if you get drafted by Tampa, your career is officially on pause until you run out the clock


Our flex is that we sent the best college player in the country back to MSU. Allthewhile lesser players are getting looks right now. Why? Because we either f***ed up cap space or called Ike entitled for wanting the standard treatment that all the other college players get.




Or we landed the one dude who wants to burn a year off his ELC but doesn't want to play
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Yeah, I can agree with that. Hopefully JBB has an epiphany soon and signs this kid.
 
Master P said:
Yeah, I can agree with that. Hopefully JBB has an epiphany soon and signs this kid.
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Well for now my response is the same, "Trust the process." It is really the only way to remain centered because the flat cap screwed us royally and we need time to regather strength. As for Ike, I think it would be stupid for anyone to burn this bridge. Not when we can come back in a year and say "Wanna win the Cup?"

JFBB has 2 chocies. Stop drafting college players at the top of the pile or learn from this and adapt
 
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I just feel Howard is way overhyped here. Right now if he was in the nhl he would only be good on the powerplay and it’s not like he’s gonna take Kuch’s spot. Guys like Knies and Leonard can actually play in the bottom 6 so of course they were given a chance.
 
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