Prospect Info: 2022 31st Overall Pick | LW Isaac Howard

Personally, this seems like a convenient excuse. From the handful of info that has been reported, it seems like the Lightning may have reneged on their initial guarantee of getting him an NHL game and wanted him down in the A, which obviously Howard did not want to do. Seems more like communication issues or the organization changing their mind on his destination than "We thought State would be in the Frozen Four & didn't plan on having the opportunity to sign him earlier."

At the end of the day, the cap space wasn't there and they didn't plan well enough ahead of time to avoid this mess. And if they thought it was going to be a mess, than they should have just traded him at the deadline.
Or, JBB correctly prioritized adding 2 impact players a month ago and wasn't that concerned about whether having 925k extra for 2 games of Howard was going to be a big issue. After the Detroit or Buffalo game, whenever the exact date is, we'll see if they waive Atkinson and sign Howard. If they do, then it's settled l and if not, and the noise that his camp is using the threat of returning to MSU to leverage Tampa has any merit, than JBB will likely trade him.
 
Or, JBB correctly prioritized adding 2 impact players a month ago and wasn't that concerned about whether having 925k extra for 2 games of Howard was going to be a big issue. After the Detroit or Buffalo game, whenever the exact date is, we'll see if they waive Atkinson and sign Howard. If they do, then it's settled l and if not, and the noise that his camp is using the threat of returning to MSU to leverage Tampa has any merit, than JBB will likely trade him.
Other NHL teams don't f*** up their cap space so they cannot sign their top NCAA prospect(s) at the end of the NCAA season. Simple truth, you can spin it however you like, but it's a bad look at minimum, disaster at maximum. I'll rescind my BriseBois slander if he gets Howard signed and in the lineup within the next week, but until then, it's a f***up because this isn't how it was supposed to go.
 
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Other NHL teams don't f*** up their cap space so they cannot sign their top NCAA prospect(s) at the end of the NCAA season. Simple truth, you can spin it however you like, but it's a bad look at minimum, disaster at maximum. I'll rescind my BriseBois slander if he gets Howard signed and in the lineup within the next week, but until then, it's a f***up because this isn't how it was supposed to go.
Pretty sure JBB knows his math amd numbers, since he's always been that guy, whether behind the scenes when Yzerman was GM or now. I don't think he intended for Howard to be playing much this season, so he didn't really concern himself with having x cap available by a certain date post deadline. I also don't think he cares how other teams handle their prospect signings, as Tampa is the only team he's with. Howard isn't a top 50 league wide prospect based on most lists, and nothing perceived to be so franchise altering that JBB was going to factor in his possible signing for 2-3 games over other cap considerations at the deadline. If him having to wait a couple of weeks is a dealbreaker for him or not getting everything he wants, JBB should easily be able to see the warning signs and move to trade him. I still don't think that's the situation though.
 
Pretty sure JBB knows his math amd numbers, since he's always been that guy, whether behind the scenes when Yzerman was GM or now. I don't think he intended for Howard to be playing much this season, so he didn't really concern himself with having x cap available by a certain date post deadline. I also don't think he cares how other teams handle their prospect signings, as Tampa is the only team he's with. Howard isn't a top 50 league wide prospect based on most lists, and nothing perceived to be so franchise altering that JBB was going to factor in his possible signing for 2-3 games over other cap considerations at the deadline. If him having to wait a couple of weeks is a dealbreaker for him or not getting everything he wants, JBB should easily be able to see the warning signs and move to trade him. I still don't think that's the situation though.
You're acting like BriseBois has done nothing wrong in his GM career lmao. Regardless of how you spin it, this situation is not ideal for Howard's side, Brisebois' side, or the fans who wanted Howard to be signed. Just doesn't look great overall at present moment
 
You're acting like BriseBois has done nothing wrong in his GM career lmao. Regardless of how you spin it, this situation is not ideal for Howard's side, Brisebois' side, or the fans who wanted Howard to be signed. Just doesn't look great overall at present moment
Of course we want him signed. I think there is something to be said tho to not let the prospects dictate what we do or don't do, it's never how we've done it and to avoid the drouin situation again or something like that. They're focus is on the present season and last thing you need is a college kid coming in with drama. If he gets signed next year it's not the worst thing for all involved either, as we have maybe always preferred with prospects to get more time to develop. It could pay off for all involved with a good attitude about it. If he doesn't want to sign we can trade him somewhere and be done with a player who doesn't want to be here. Simple as that.
 
You're acting like BriseBois has done nothing wrong in his GM career lmao. Regardless of how you spin it, this situation is not ideal for Howard's side, Brisebois' side, or the fans who wanted Howard to be signed. Just doesn't look great overall at present moment
Never said JBB has never done anything wrong, that's just your assumption of my position, I guess. I don't believe he has necessarily erred in this particular case, no. The only way I will see it as a failure for the organization is if Howard walks next summer and signs elsewhere. Only in that case would I consider it a blunder as JBB wouldn't have signed him nor returned any value in him via trade.
 
Of course we want him signed. I think there is something to be said tho to not let the prospects dictate what we do or don't do, it's never how we've done it and to avoid the drouin situation again or something like that. They're focus is on the present season and last thing you need is a college kid coming in with drama. If he gets signed next year it's not the worst thing for all involved either, as we have maybe always preferred with prospects to get more time to develop. It could pay off for all involved with a good attitude about it. If he doesn't want to sign we can trade him somewhere and be done with a player who doesn't want to be here. Simple as that.
Oh my god we’re still doing this.
 
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This thread summed up:

Some People - Howard is the second coming of Point. Huge Fumble. Will never recover from this.

Other People - He's good but whatever go for the cup. No room for experimenting.

I just don't see how Howard has made everyone lose their mind. Just because he is the best prospect we have drafted in a bit, doesn't mean he's the best prospect ever. There is some people calling him a top prospect in the league, which is hilariously wild. It would have been nice to get him signed, but getting him signed is so much lower on the pecking order compared to what the team has coming ahead.
 
This thread summed up:

Some People - Howard is the second coming of Point. Huge Fumble. Will never recover from this.

Other People - He's good but whatever go for the cup. No room for experimenting.

I just don't see how Howard has made everyone lose their mind. Just because he is the best prospect we have drafted in a bit, doesn't mean he's the best prospect ever. There is some people calling him a top prospect in the league, which is hilariously wild. It would have been nice to get him signed, but getting him signed is so much lower on the pecking order compared to what the team has coming ahead.
Go home. You're sober
 
I'd be more pumped that we're primed for another cup run with a deep team but hey let's worry about some mid prospect whos not even gone yet instead. Lots to playout, grilling JBB for prioritizing the NHL roster instead seems silly.

Why the hell would we trade Chaffee, who's the only bottom 6 forward who can score mid way through the season so maybe Howard can get a couple games in?

Is that a serious question? Why would we trade Chafee who’s a healthy scratch for someone who could be better and on a ELC 😂😂.
 
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Is that a serious question? Do I really have to answer this? Why would we trade Chafee who’s a healthy scratch for someone who could be better and on a ELC 😂😂

So you're saying they should have traded Chaffee (who leads all bottom 6 players in goals) back before the deadline so that 2 months later Howard could maybe come in and be better (or could completely suck)?

Makes sense, glad to know this topic has brain rotted some people.
 
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Is that a serious question? Why would we trade Chafee who’s a healthy scratch for someone who could be better and on a ELC 😂😂.
Chaffee's contract would be cheaper than Howard's. Chaffee has 12 goals most playing with Girgensons and Glendenning. How much play time you think Howard gets and on what line? You think he is going to produce the same with Girgs and Glendenning? Are you saying Howard is better defensively?
 
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So you're saying they should have traded Chaffee (who leads all bottom 6 players in goals) back before the deadline so that 2 months later Howard could maybe come in and be better (or could completely suck)?

Makes sense, glad to know this topic has brain rotted some people.
Worse than someone who’s not even playing. You are so f***ing smart lmao.
 
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Chaffee's contract would be cheaper than Howard's. Chaffee has 12 goals most playing with Girgensons and Glendenning. How much play time you think Howard gets and on what line? You think he is going to produce the same with Girgs and Glendenning? Are you saying Howard is better defensively?
Buddy do you think think this team needs another 4th liner. Anyone who even wants to talk about chafees goals needs to actually watch the games on espn + and see how badly Chaffee is defensively. The dude is dumb as shit and 27 he’s not getting better
 
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Buddy do you think think this team needs another 4th liner. Anyone who even wants to talk about chafees goals needs to actually watch the games on espn + and see how badly Chaffee is defensively. The dude is dumb as shit and 27 he’s not getting better

This guy thinks Howard is coming in, winning top-6 minutes off the bat and is going to be a 30 goal scorer right away. Something something about dumb as shit. Ironic.
 
I mean, it's pretty clear that the organization looks bad because they didn't plan ahead of time to make sure enough cap space was open to be able to sign Howard right away after his NCAA season was done. And if they were truly just going to send him to the A regardless, they should have traded his rights at the deadline.

We'll see what happens the rest of this season & over the summer if a solution hasn't been reached, I just don't think it makes the franchise look great
Yeah you're making a huge assumption that Howard was sitting there waiting to sign, and by all accounts of various teammates returning to Mich State and other schools losing a significant amount of players to ELCs, it sounds like he wants to have another shot at a national title. I have yet to hear anything other than friend-of-a-friends-uncle stories about things that did or didn't happen. An offer was made, Ike made a choice to go back, nobody is wrong here. Honestly, having another season of high stakes NCAA hockey and potentially winning I think will be much better for his overall development vs getting a few limited minute games here, or trying to fit into a roster that is also trying to gear itself up for a deep playoff run in the AHL.

I don't get any impression either side is unhappy, upset, or whatever about how all of this has played out. In the grand scheme of things, its probably for the better. Ike isn't going to be the thing that we go "man, no way we don't win a cup now" when he gets into the lineup, he is a very young luxury, and not an overly large kid. We don't burn a year of contract for vibes, he'll be cost controlled for longer.
 
This thread summed up:

Some People - Howard is the second coming of Point. Huge Fumble. Will never recover from this.

Other People - He's good but whatever go for the cup. No room for experimenting.

I just don't see how Howard has made everyone lose their mind. Just because he is the best prospect we have drafted in a bit, doesn't mean he's the best prospect ever. There is some people calling him a top prospect in the league, which is hilariously wild. It would have been nice to get him signed, but getting him signed is so much lower on the pecking order compared to what the team has coming ahead.
Who said he’s the top prospect in the league? I haven’t seen that once. No one even said he’s the best lightning prospect. This is just a straw man exaggeration, and geekie is a red herring.
 
Yeah you're making a huge assumption that Howard was sitting there waiting to sign, and by all accounts of various teammates returning to Mich State and other schools losing a significant amount of players to ELCs, it sounds like he wants to have another shot at a national title. I have yet to hear anything other than friend-of-a-friends-uncle stories about things that did or didn't happen. An offer was made, Ike made a choice to go back, nobody is wrong here. Honestly, having another season of high stakes NCAA hockey and potentially winning I think will be much better for his overall development vs getting a few limited minute games here, or trying to fit into a roster that is also trying to gear itself up for a deep playoff run in the AHL.

I don't get any impression either side is unhappy, upset, or whatever about how all of this has played out. In the grand scheme of things, its probably for the better. Ike isn't going to be the thing that we go "man, no way we don't win a cup now" when he gets into the lineup, he is a very young luxury, and not an overly large kid. We don't burn a year of contract for vibes, he'll be cost controlled for longer.
It’s poor risk assessment.
 
Why does Isaac Howard make everyone crazy

*makes up a bunch of bullshit points that no one said*

See? That’s crazy.
 

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