Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II

[TheBeard]

You mean 2024 Stanley Cup champion and Conn Smythe winner Kaapo Kahkonen?

Trade him to Dallas. I wanna see Pavs get his ring.

 

[STL Shark]

I felt fine with the defensive structure of our team and I don't suspect it will be any different if Karlsson is traded. We had issues with turnovers and goaltending being bad that led to all the goals and losses. There will probably be less odd-man rushes against due to Karlsson being the main facilitator of offense having the puck and turning it over really anywhere in the offensive zone. But our defensive play will likely remain similar overall because we're just not that good up and down the lineup relative to who we're playing against. Our offense is going to take a nosedive and we weren't scoring enough to win on the regular as it was.

Grier hit on the big elephant in the room re: not having enough guys that could move the puck. Don't need EK65 level offensive type players, but guys that are puck-movers and can skate are what is missing. When Karlsson is dealt, I am very curious about where Grier goes to address the puck moving.

Think Calen Addison will wind up in SJ to run the PP and play on the 2nd or 3rd pairing, but from there I am curious who eats the big mins on the right side and how we thin out the logjam on the left side.

 

[STL Shark]

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ESPN speculates EK65 to Dallas.

Doesn't make much sense for SJ. Late 2nd, 4th, Faksa cap dump, Harley, and a C/D prospect. Only thing that is really valuable is Harley and there is already a massive log jam at LD.

 

[Pavelski2112]

Doesn't make much sense for SJ. Late 2nd, 4th, Faksa cap dump, Harley, and a C/D prospect. Only thing that is really valuable is Harley and there is already a massive log jam at LD.

I think we're all going to be disappointed by what we get for EK

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Grier hit on the big elephant in the room re: not having enough guys that could move the puck. Don't need EK65 level offensive type players, but guys that are puck-movers and can skate are what is missing. When Karlsson is dealt, I am very curious about where Grier goes to address the puck moving.

Think Calen Addison will wind up in SJ to run the PP and play on the 2nd or 3rd pairing, but from there I am curious who eats the big mins on the right side and how we thin out the logjam on the left side.

I suspect Vlasic-Benning will eat the big minutes. There's nothing really lost letting them get killed since it's going to happen no matter who they put in that spot next season. If they bring in Addison, putting him across Ferraro on the 2nd pairing makes sense to me then just put Thrun with whoever on the 3rd pairing. I would prefer Simek unless they're willing to buy him out now or find a trade for him but Knyzhov is not a bad option there either. If Muk proves that his Barracuda stint was no fluke, I think you can move Vlasic down to the right side on the 3rd pairing, put Muk with him, move Ferraro up with Benning, and Thrun up with Addison.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I think we're all going to be disappointed by what we get for EK

I won't only because I've already accepted that possibility and still can rationalize it as a good thing for the team. He's earned a trade if that's what he wants. What more could you ask of a guy of his talent and age on a team like ours? He played out of his mind to increase his trade value on a truly shitty team. If a guy like that wants out, when else would one be willing to oblige a trade request?

 

[TheBeard]

I think we're all going to be disappointed by what we get for EK

Considering where we stood with him at the beginning of last season, no one should be.

 

[Hodge]

The 5.75-11.5 million a year in cap space we open up for the next four seasons is the Karlsson return.

 

[one2gamble]

I think we're all going to be disappointed by what we get for EK

The only thing I am looking at is the amount of retention but Im probably still going to be disappointed

 

[Pinkfloyd]

The 5.75-11.5 million a year in cap space we open up for the next four seasons is the Karlsson return.

Doing that is only really something to get behind if it's being weaponized for picks and prospects. We had that option last offseason and didn't really use it. I don't expect Grier to do it this year either though the opportunity will be there again.

 

[Hodge]

Doing that is only really something to get behind if it's being weaponized for picks and prospects. We had that option last offseason and didn't really use it. I don't expect Grier to do it this year either though the opportunity will be there again.

While I'm not optimistic about the Sharks chances to turn things around in the next four years, it's not impossible that we could be in a position to add an impact player or two by summer 2026. Any additional cap space we can clear up would help with that as well as enable us to acquire distressed assets from other teams in the meantime.

 

[Jargon]

I suspect Grier might try and fix our defense a bit this offseason. There were rumors he was kicking tires on some guys. I can see him trying to bring in someone like Grzylcek, etc.

Honestly one of my big curiosities this off-season is how much actual work Grier puts into the team. I really doubt he’s going to go in with the exact same roster, minus Karlsson.

 

[gaucholoco3]

Screw the cap space. The biggest benefit of trading EK is all but guaranteeing top 5 picks in 24 and 25.

 

[Hodge]

Screw the cap space. The biggest benefit of trading EK is all but guaranteeing top 5 picks in 24 and 25.

I think we're guaranteed this with or without EK.

 

[Pavelski2112]

Screw the cap space. The biggest benefit of trading EK is all but guaranteeing top 5 picks in 24 and 25.

I want to say this, but knowing how the Sharks are a cursed franchise, they'll probably pick 16th after Noah Gregor puts up his one and only 30 goal season

 

[Cas]

I want to say this, but knowing how the Sharks are a cursed franchise, they'll probably pick 16th after Noah Gregor puts up his one and only 30 goal season

At least we'll have plenty of cap space to give him his 8x8 extension.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

While I'm not optimistic about the Sharks chances to turn things around in the next four years, it's not impossible that we could be in a position to add an impact player or two by summer 2026. Any additional cap space we can clear up would help with that as well as enable us to acquire distressed assets from other teams in the meantime.

It's not impossible but until Grier shows me a willingness to effectively use cap space towards the rebuild beyond backfilling spots with veterans because we don't have kids that are ready, I'm not going to get super excited about cap space. We had similar opportunities last off-season in terms of being a cap dump landing spot for other teams but went the free agent market mostly anyway. Not the worst option, mind you, as it's better than trading real future assets for veterans to come in and lose. Just not the sort of option that makes me want them to create cap space for.

 

[Pavelski2112]

At least we'll have plenty of cap space to give him his 8x8 extension.

f*** I laughed way too hard at this

 

[Hodge]

It's not impossible but until Grier shows me a willingness to effectively use cap space towards the rebuild beyond backfilling spots with veterans because we don't have kids that are ready, I'm not going to get super excited about cap space. We had similar opportunities last off-season in terms of being a cap dump landing spot for other teams but went the free agent market mostly anyway. Not the worst option, mind you, as it's better than trading real future assets for veterans to come in and lose. Just not the sort of option that makes me want them to create cap space for.

There just wasn't enough available cap space to truly weaponize it last offseason but I definitely hope to see Grier make a few picks for taking a bad contract deals this year. Along with Chicago and maybe Anaheim we're one of the few possible dumping grounds for all these cap strapped teams.

 

[Pavelski2112]

There just wasn't enough available cap space to truly weaponize it last offseason but I definitely hope to see Grier make a few picks for taking a bad contract deals this year. Along with Chicago and maybe Anaheim we're one of the few possible dumping grounds for all these cap strapped teams.

I could see us taking Murray's contract, if for nothing else because this org loves acquiring players that screwed them in the past

 

[Pinkfloyd]

There just wasn't enough available cap space to truly weaponize it last offseason but I definitely hope to see Grier make a few picks for taking a bad contract deals this year. Along with Chicago and maybe Anaheim we're one of the few possible dumping grounds for all these cap strapped teams.

They spent about 9 million on UFA's and 11.5 million on RFA's. There were choices within that that they didn't have to take in order to weaponize it for draft picks if they wanted to. I'm just not convinced that he wanted to and that's fine but it just doesn't make the need for cap space all that important.

 

[TheBeard]

At least we'll have plenty of cap space to give him his 8x8 extension.

better come with a NMC just to be safe.

 

[Hodge]

They spent about 9 million on UFA's and 11.5 million on RFA's. There were choices within that that they didn't have to take in order to weaponize it for draft picks if they wanted to. I'm just not convinced that he wanted to and that's fine but it just doesn't make the need for cap space all that important.

They also had to ice a team. Even if you replace Sturm, Lindblom, Kunin, Lorentz and Benning with players making league minimum that would only have saved about $5.8 million, not enough for Monahan who was the premier cap dump of last offseason. And again that leaves you with essentially an AHL bottom six. There's a lot more breathing room this year, especially if we dump Karlsson.

 

[themelkman]

We really dont need a 21-24 year old NHL d coming back. Our system is a huge jam already

 

[LadyStanley]

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