Prospect Info: 2022-2023 Coyotes Prospect General Discussion and Stats Weekly Update

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Thought this was interesting, stole it from the Avs forum

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Shows just how shit our drafting has been, although it's been getting a lot better lately and has looked pretty good under BA.
I think that chart really highlights how this has no bearing on success, really. Sure the lightning have great results and are high on the list. But Columbus is also high on the list. And Ottawa. Both do not have great results. Then there’s Colorado in last, despite very good results. And the Caps and Blues in that last column too.
 
I think that chart really highlights how this has no bearing on success, really. Sure the lightning have great results and are high on the list. But Columbus is also high on the list. And Ottawa. Both do not have great results. Then there’s Colorado in last, despite very good results. And the Caps and Blues in that last column too.
In all fairness, it's 10 years. Lot of those teams have only started having success recently. A lot of them haven't had any success at all. For the longest time, Colorado stunk. For the longest time, the Caps were close but not that close, and the Blues have sucked through those years too. I think it shows that it only takes one year, or one player, or combination of players, to get hot at the right time, have chemistry, or just be better than where you drafted them or get better, to have success. It more shows drafting success than pro success for sure though, I mean look at most of these teams cupboards in the right column. With the exception of maybe Buffalo (based on 1st round picks), ARI (mostly 1st round picks) and possibly Detroit/Montreal depending on how you consider their players to be prospects or not, the cupboards are pretty dry for most of the teams.
 
I think that chart really highlights how this has no bearing on success, really. Sure the lightning have great results and are high on the list. But Columbus is also high on the list. And Ottawa. Both do not have great results. Then there’s Colorado in last, despite very good results. And the Caps and Blues in that last column too.

I need a number next to the total games for how many players had more than 86-100+ games (roughly three full seasons of games. One player playing 800 or more games can really skew this both in a negative and positive way depending on total games played.

This is in the past 10 years too. Considering 3rd round picks generally aren't playing right out of the draft and most likely playing 3+ years after being drafted then you can almost take off the 2019-2022 drafts.

I don't think this paints the full picture for even more reasons than the ones above. Like a player developing well that gets traded by the team that drafts them before they hit the NHL, etc. Still interesting but I'd take one Brayden Point for every 7 Dysin Mayos
 
I didn’t mean to imply that I think drafting success outside of the early rounds doesn’t matter. It matters a lot. I only meant conclusions really can’t be drawn from this particular chart because of the way it was put together (10yrs and raw GP only).
 
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Thought this was interesting, stole it from the Avs forum

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Shows just how shit our drafting has been, although it's been getting a lot better lately and has looked pretty good under BA.
Well, BA came from St. Louis and they did not fair much better than the Coyotes considering we didn't have a scouting dept.
 
Well, BA came from St. Louis and they did not fair much better than the Coyotes considering we didn't have a scouting dept.

The Blues didn't do better? Are you just talking about the draft, cuz there's that winning the Stanley Cup I seem to remember.
 
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Well, BA came from St. Louis and they did not fair much better than the Coyotes considering we didn't have a scouting dept.
The Blues hit on their 1sts, or traded them away and hit on those instead. Most of their later picks, at least those that I can recall, were traded after panning out but not really having a place on the team or for reacquiring assets. It actually gets a lot better when you consider their top 60, they've almost always either hit or it's too early to write them off. Over half of this chart is Parayko and Binnington though, which is pretty damn good. If you expanded the chart to 2008 you'd also get Lehtera and Allen. Perron was in 07. Bishop and Reaves in 05. That's insanely good pick rate considering the average 3rd rounder will likely never play, let alone some of those guys are or will be close to 1k games.

Robert Thomas, Kyrou, Thompson, Dunn, Fabbri, Barbashev, Edmunson, Schwartz, Tarasenko, Eller and Cole, Perron, Berglund, Oshie, Bishop, Reaves, Soderberg, Polak, Backes, Stempniak. The Blues drafting has been great, even if most of these guys didn't contribute a ton with them and went to other teams.
 
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The Blues hit on their 1sts, or traded them away and hit on those instead. Most of their later picks, at least those that I can recall, were traded after panning out but not really having a place on the team or for reacquiring assets. It actually gets a lot better when you consider their top 60, they've almost always either hit or it's too early to write them off. Over half of this chart is Parayko and Binnington though, which is pretty damn good. If you expanded the chart to 2008 you'd also get Lehtera and Allen. Perron was in 07. Bishop and Reaves in 05. That's insanely good pick rate considering the average 3rd rounder will likely never play, let alone some of those guys are or will be close to 1k games.

Robert Thomas, Kyrou, Thompson, Dunn, Fabbri, Barbashev, Edmunson, Schwartz, Tarasenko, Eller and Cole, Perron, Berglund, Oshie, Bishop, Reaves, Soderberg, Polak, Backes, Stempniak. The Blues drafting has been great, even if most of these guys didn't contribute a ton with them and went to other teams.
Great post.
 
Referring to that chart.

Ahhh. Yeah, and like my post about the Bruins, there are many ways to get to the promised land. I still feel good about the rebuild, even if we don't draft top 5 this year. (mind you, I'll still shed a tear when we lose the lottery :cry:)
 
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The Blues hit on their 1sts, or traded them away and hit on those instead. Most of their later picks, at least those that I can recall, were traded after panning out but not really having a place on the team or for reacquiring assets. It actually gets a lot better when you consider their top 60, they've almost always either hit or it's too early to write them off. Over half of this chart is Parayko and Binnington though, which is pretty damn good. If you expanded the chart to 2008 you'd also get Lehtera and Allen. Perron was in 07. Bishop and Reaves in 05. That's insanely good pick rate considering the average 3rd rounder will likely never play, let alone some of those guys are or will be close to 1k games.

Robert Thomas, Kyrou, Thompson, Dunn, Fabbri, Barbashev, Edmunson, Schwartz, Tarasenko, Eller and Cole, Perron, Berglund, Oshie, Bishop, Reaves, Soderberg, Polak, Backes, Stempniak. The Blues drafting has been great, even if most of these guys didn't contribute a ton with them and went to other teams.
I was referring to the chart. Look at Tampa for comparison, or Colorado. Tampa you could understand as they draft very well, but Colorado surprised me. The chart said third round and after, so it doesn't matter the names you listed here, many teams did better than the Blues.
 
I was referring to the chart. Look at Tampa for comparison, or Colorado. Tampa you could understand as they draft very well, but Colorado surprised me. The chart said third round and after, so it doesn't matter the names you listed here, many teams did better than the Blues.
where are our key scouts from? Didn't we poach from Colorado and Tampa?
 
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Hepple was top scout in Colorado for a long time. Plandowski was top scout in Tampa for a long time. Armstrong was top scout for St. Louis for a long time.
Teal Fowler in Europe (Moser, Veg, etc)
And Aron Kiviharju’s dad in Finland
 
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I was referring to the chart. Look at Tampa for comparison, or Colorado. Tampa you could understand as they draft very well, but Colorado surprised me. The chart said third round and after, so it doesn't matter the names you listed here, many teams did better than the Blues.
Yes, many teams did better, but like RT said that's not a complete indication of success or not. The Caps and Blues are both at the bottom of that list and both won cups. Colorado is last and won a cup. Boston is another team that is only average and won one. So you can't base success solely off of this list. Drafting has been getting a lot more consistent over the years in the quality that's in the draft, but this chart also somewhat cherry picks the years, as I said earlier if you go back from 08-05 the Blues have several other players that would likely put them over 2k- and even as it is now, the most recent 3-4 drafts it's too early to tell whether those players have panned out yet. It's impressive alone that Parayko and Binnington make up over half of the games in that graphic for the Blues.

Look at Florida, for example. They're second on that list, but Hyman has 475 GP and none of them with Florida. Petrovic has been in the AHL the last 4 seasons but has 250GP. Doonskoi has 474GP but none of them with Florida. Brown has 200 but half of those with Florida. Weegar is really the only player who's both had success and stayed with Florida for a significant period of time. And how much playoff success has Florida had despite their drafting? I could say literally the same thing about Florida that I could STL- their drafting is good, they've hit on nearly all of their 1st round picks and a lot of later ones, but the difference is that they gave their guys more of a shot and were also a lot more willing to trade them or cut them loose than to hang onto them. If I had to make any conclusions it would be that 1) this graphic kinda sucks and 2) STL probably has better pro scouting than Florida does
 
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