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expatriatedtexan said:
That's the purpose. Teams that built to not give a f*** because they are tanking, will continue to tank after they are eliminated, therefore they won't get the top pick.

This actually helps teams that are trying to improve but are stuck in the mushy middle. You ignore shit teams like Edmonton who got the 1st overall for what seemed like 5 years straight.
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My take on this is that it doesn't really help teams in the mushy middle. If a bubble team gets eliminated a week or two before the end of the season, they don't really have any time to bank points (and probably psychologically suffer from falling short and dip in their form for a few games). I guess it's slightly better than the current system where they have no chance of moving up.

How would you prevent teams from going hard tank even earlier so that they get eliminated from contention earlier and can then bring up top prospects or make trades around the deadline for legit NHL players with expiring bad contracts to boost their chances of earning more points afterwards?
 
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expatriatedtexan said:
If you want to get rid of tanking, the answer is simple. When a team is mathematically eliminated from the playoffs, you start a new point count for that team. Whichever team has the highest number of points after being eliminated gets the top pick.
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@MacKaRant beat me to it, this could just lead to teams tanking harder, earlier. Also, bubble teams would legit just get hosed out of either (tanking early or pushing hard for playoffs and barley not making it, meaning no time to bank points).

henchman24 said:
I'd say the regular season is way too long to be meaningful already. We've seen the shortened seasons have a bunch more meaningful games because it is always like a post deadline push the whole season. But the NHL can't afford to cut games.

I don't know if I'm personally on the side of playoff expansion... but if you want to eliminate tanking, that is the best path.
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I'm not for expanding the playoffs, it's a grind enough as it is. Who wants the Avs to be even more tired from a longer postseason then they currently are? Also injuries...

Unless, you're talking about changing the playoff format completely and either doing play ins (NBA) or shorter beginning rounds (MLB).
 
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Personally, I want the league to go back to 3 divisions per conference with only the top guaranteed (with the remaining 5 spots going to the best teams in any division. 5 'wild cards' instead of 2 per conference).

Buuuut the league seems to think fans care about division rivalries or whatever :eyeroll:. Oh and bring back 1v8 and reseeding... and possibly a 3-2-1 regular season points structure. Who needs fake parity? :sarcasm:

As far as lottery/tanking goes... teams are gonna tank no matter what, the odds in the 'lottery' do help, unless we go scorched earth and introduce relegation. That could be fun, though :D
 
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MacKaRant said:
My take on this is that it doesn't really help teams in the mushy middle. If a bubble team gets eliminated a week or two before the end of the season, they don't really have any time to bank points (and probably psychologically suffer from falling short and dip in their form for a few games). I guess it's slightly better than the current system where they have no chance of moving up.

How would you prevent teams from going hard tank even earlier so that they get eliminated from contention earlier and can then bring up top prospects or make trades around the deadline for legit NHL players with expiring bad contracts to boost their chances of earning more points afterwards?
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I mean in all honesty; we probably can't avoid tanking. For one, Gary Bettman doesn't believe it actually happens, so he sees no need to make adjustments. Secondly, how do you draw the fine line between a bad GM and a bad GM who is tanking? It's very blurry. The only alternative, which will never see the light day, would be to significantly limit the number of times a team is allowed to pick in the top 5 or 10. For example, you are only allowed one top 5 pick every five years. Say you get a top 5 pick, then the highest you can pick for the next 4 years is #6. Teams would still be getting good players, just not the premier ones

I guess what I really want would be to see a way to curtail tanking, but more importantly I think I'm tired of seeing generational talent absolutely wasted on shit show organizations.
 
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One thing Bettman could do to avoid managerial incompetence and further ensure that tanking teams don't tank perpetually is quit trying to twist the arms of various owners to try and hire his Harvard buddies. He and Daly reportedly still try and whisper loudly in owners' ears to give Peter Chiarelli another shot.
 
dahrougem2 said:
I think the sooner Gary goes the better. Then again the grass ain't always greener.
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Gary is a puppet controlled by the owners. His successor will be as well. Never understood the hate for this guy he’s just the scapegoat for a group of mostly lame owners.
 
Avs91 said:
Personally, I want the league to go back to 3 divisions per conference with only the top guaranteed (with the remaining 5 spots going to the best teams in any division. 5 'wild cards' instead of 2 per conference).

Buuuut the league seems to think fans care about division rivalries or whatever :eyeroll:. Oh and bring back 1v8 and reseeding... and possibly a 3-2-1 regular season points structure. Who needs fake parity? :sarcasm:

As far as lottery/tanking goes... teams are gonna tank no matter what, the odds in the 'lottery' do help, unless we go scorched earth and introduce relegation. That could be fun, though :D
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Basically impossible to do. You have 16 team conferences. So you'd have 2 divisions of 5 and 1 division of 6. Doesn't work at all.

But, 4 divisions of 4 would work much better IMO. Then you can have the #1 seed from each division makes the playoffs and gets seeds 1-4 in the playoffs... And then 4 Wildcard teams make up seeds 5-8.

Play your own division 8 times(4 Home, 4 Away, 24 games total). Play every other division 2 times(1 Home, 1 Away, 56 games)

That would give you an 80 game season. If they want 84 games, play 1 extra game against one other division. So for example if they did this and broke the Pacific into the South Pacific and North Pacific divisions, the North division would play the South division 3 times instead of 2 times.
 
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Pierce Hawthorne said:
Basically impossible to do. You have 16 team conferences. So you'd have 2 divisions of 5 and 1 division of 6. Doesn't work at all.

But, 4 divisions of 4 would work much better IMO. Then you can have the #1 seed from each division makes the playoffs and gets seeds 1-4 in the playoffs... And then 4 Wildcard teams make up seeds 5-8.

Play your own division 8 times(4 Home, 4 Away, 24 games total). Play every other division 2 times(1 Home, 1 Away, 56 games)

That would give you an 80 game season. If they want 84 games, play 1 extra game against one other division. So for example if they did this and broke the Pacific into the South Pacific and North Pacific divisions, the North division would play the South division 3 times instead of 2 times.
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Oh yes, great assessment, and would work fine imo. Unfortunately it seems the league is literally going in the opposite direction lol based on that report this morning. I think the regional idea will die, though (players won't want it so PA would get involved, yeah?).

Edit: on second thought, maybe the players will? I mean, less travel... but I know some (MacKinnon) said that playing the same team over and over got boring. (and I'm bored at work so just spit-balling here).
 
Chiarelli said:
Gary is a puppet controlled by the owners. His successor will be as well. Never understood the hate for this guy he’s just the scapegoat for a group of mostly lame owners.
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Ohhhhhh no he's not. They obviously have a lot of aligned interests but don't think for a minute he just kowtows to the whims of the owners. If that's all he did, playoffs would've expanded a long, long time ago and there'd be multiple sponsorship patches on jerseys.
 
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I remember the days of eight games against four divisional rivals. Eight games a year against the shite the Oilers were icing in the post-Pronger years. It was awful. 39% of your regular season featuring 16% of the league. Get it in the bin.
 
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sethro109 said:
Joe Sakic is and always will be just pure class.
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The Kingslayer said:
Joe Sakic leader of men and a great human.
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The Abusement Park said:
Find me a classier person, not athlete, person than Sakic. Dudes as classy as can be.
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That mcdavid offsides goal reminded me of the one I think Makar had last season? I don't fully remember if it counted.

Playoffs against Edmonton actually.
 
That Chel commercial with Sarah Nurse and Trevor Zegras is gonna cause me to have an aneurysm. I hate it so much.
 
Bettman gave the owners everything they have wanted. A hard salary cap, expansion money, lots of viable teams in places like Vegas, Nashville, California.

Yes the Coyotes are a disgrace but I'm sure each owner would rather pay out a million each per year to keep the Coyotes solvent rather than collapse a team and have values for all NHL franchises take a hit.
 
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