2022-2023 Around The League

[The Abusement Park]

I think Mitchell Miller is not a good person

I think there’s also a lot of cognitive dissonance about how few people that make it to this level of success in any field are “good people”. We regularly cheer for more bullies and assholes than anyone cares to truly dwell on

If the worst thing anyone had ever done was stamped on their forehead the way it now is for Mitchell Miller, an awful lot of people would be out of jobs

I agree with your statement overall.

But what Miller did was more than being a bad person or just being an asshole. I 100% believe in 2nd chances, but if you do something as heinous as he did getting a 2nd chance should rightfully be hard, especially if it’s not easy to tell if you’ve grown from the scenario he caused.

 

[Muffin]

No surprise here.

 

[dahrougem2]

Man this is just pathetic to witness. It's like all of these people had a stake in Miller's career and were about to get a piece of the pie, and are now watching it dwindle before their very eyes in public while doing everything they can to "fix it" but are making it so, so much worse.

 

[The Kingslayer]

Man this is just pathetic to witness. It's like all of these people had a stake in Miller's career and were about to get a piece of the pie, and are now watching it dwindle before their very eyes in public while doing everything they can to "fix it" but are making it so, so much worse.

Certainly feels that way.

 

[redacted]

Man this is just pathetic to witness. It's like all of these people had a stake in Miller's career and were about to get a piece of the pie, and are now watching it dwindle before their very eyes in public while doing everything they can to "fix it" but are making it so, so much worse.

His parents have a pretty sordid history, and they are certainly making this worse. Sadly, instead of this changing their ideas or mindset, it is more likely that they will slide more into the victim complex and dig in further.

 

[willy702]

No surprise here.

There's being "right" and getting what you want out of life. Sad Miller is surrounded by those who would rather be "right" in their minds. Two media circuses around his kid showing how few are willing to accept their side of the story and yet he thinks he and family will get their way?

I think what others have said is probably right. He needs to go play in Europe, get away from family and the entourage saying he did nothing bad. In time he can eventually say I speak for myself, that he's his own man instead of all comments coming out of his vengeful family.

 

[The Kingslayer]

There's being "right" and getting what you want out of life. Sad Miller is surrounded by those who would rather be "right" in their minds. Two media circuses around his kid showing how few are willing to accept their side of the story and yet he thinks he and family will get their way?

I think what others have said is probably right. He needs to go play in Europe, get away from family and the entourage saying he did nothing bad. In time he can eventually say I speak for myself, that he's his own man instead of all comments coming out of his vengeful family.

agreed.

 

[Pokecheque]

Man this is just pathetic to witness. It's like all of these people had a stake in Miller's career and were about to get a piece of the pie, and are now watching it dwindle before their very eyes in public while doing everything they can to "fix it" but are making it so, so much worse.

Some people will go to unimaginable lengths just to avoid some real introspection into their own psyches.

 

[Pokecheque]

Holy lots to take in but my two cents:

- Miller is a POS so is his family and supporters
- appears he has done less than the bare minimum (likely a behaviour trait that has been catered to through enabling) and hopes this inconvenience in his life will be swept under the rug like previous encounters
- isiahs family is hell bent on revenge. Very clear. Likely for good reason previous incidents have formed this reaction.
- this shit runs deep and that community seems very troubled
- nhl has to take a hard stance given the last few years. Kid might be made into an example. He really isn’t doing himself any favours. Don’t feel bad for him one bit and I usually believe people deserve second chances.

MIller has slithered away from repercussions most his life but Isaiah’s family finally has the right platform and audience. Miller will have to do what he’s avoided his entire life and have accountability and atone for his actions

I'm not quite sure why you're saying the family is "hellbent on revenge". How so? Because media people keep reaching out to them and they're responding honestly? I don't believe they've actively campaigned against the advancement of Mitchell Miller's professional hockey career.

Also, they've been targeted for harassment by others reportedly in Miller's social circles. But even then, I don't believe there is an active lawsuit. Hellbent on revenge? Very strange thing to say when you have absolutely no evidence that suggests as much.

I think Mitchell Miller is not a good person

I think there’s also a lot of cognitive dissonance about how few people that make it to this level of success in any field are “good people”. We regularly cheer for more bullies and assholes than anyone cares to truly dwell on

If the worst thing anyone had ever done was stamped on their forehead the way it now is for Mitchell Miller, an awful lot of people would be out of jobs

Very true, but when it's very obvious someone has done something horrible and in six years done next to nothing to make amends, it needs to be called out.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[Chiarelli]

I'm not quite sure why you're saying the family is "hellbent on revenge". How so? Because media people keep reaching out to them and they're responding honestly? I don't believe they've actively campaigned against the advancement of Mitchell Miller's professional hockey career.

Also, they've been targeted for harassment by others reportedly in Miller's social circles. But even then, I don't believe there is an active lawsuit. Hellbent on revenge? Very strange thing to say when you have absolutely no evidence that suggests as much.



Very true, but when it's very obvious someone has done something horrible and in six years done next to nothing to make amends, it needs to be called out.

Some people would simply walk away rather than bring up old pains/face media/scrutiny/etc. Not the case here. This family feels wronged and will endure the difficulties required to make sure they are righted.

 

[Pokecheque]

Some people would simply walk away rather than bring up old pains/face media/scrutiny/etc. Not the case here. This family feels wronged and will endure the difficulties required to make sure they are righted.

That's not revenge.

 

[Chiarelli]

That's not revenge.

Alright Webster you choose the word then.

 

[Pokecheque]

I don't know if this if verifiable but I'm reading that it was Seabass who was the driving force behind this fiasco who insisted on moving forward despite the objections of Sweeney and others in the organization. If so, then Sweeney is even more of a fall guy than I realized and it should be Neely who should be handing in his resignation. The statement he released was beyond pathetic.

 

[Pokecheque]

Alright Webster you choose the word then.

Justice. They want justice. You don't need a dictionary to know the difference, bud.

 

[Chiarelli]

Justice. They want justice. You don't need a dictionary to know the difference, bud.

Lol if I said hellbent on justice you would have raised issue with that as well.

 

[Pokecheque]

Lol if I said hellbent on justice you would have raised issue with that as well.

Nope. I wouldn't have.

 

[Pokecheque]

They thought they could get away with it.

The Bruins landed in a mire of their own making because they figured it wouldn’t matter. They were wrong, but this is not the end.

www.stanleycupofchowder.com

I know B's fans get ripped all the time but good for them speaking out, as well as the players who quietly voiced their objections.

I agree with this part.

This will happen again.

Another hockey player will be found to do or have done something absolutely reprehensible before his or her draft year. People will get understandably mad, and the organizations they play for will drop them. For a little while. The player will disappear out of public eye, but only for a little bit. But they will continue playing. Because the scouts who found him will still keep tabs on him and advocate for him at levels where fans can’t reach him. They will wait for accolades to appear. They will begin talking to agents.

They will attempt to sign Mitchell Miller, or if not him, another player like him, to your team. Every last one of them will. According to Miller himself, he was courted by other teams. He was in-demand.

He will be in-demand again.

 

[AvsGuy]

Very true, but when it's very obvious someone has done something horrible and in six years done next to nothing to make amends, it needs to be called out.

Does it need to be called out? By whom? To what end?

Our society is very obsessed with justice and accountability, but less obsessed with figuring out what either of those things should mean in the given context.

Is there relief on the victims part that Miller won’t get to have a professional career? Does this resolve anything for him or his family? Im genuinely asking, because all I can see from this situation is outrage instead of any sort of reparations.

Will this discourage other young people from bullying disabled people if they know it could cost them their career? f***ing unlikely, but even if it did, that is entirely the wrong motivation.

I will never fully understand railing against others obvious imperfections. Is Miller a POS? Almost undoubtedly. Has ruining his career accomplished anything for anyone? If so, who? Who in turn should be able to cast judgement on another’s errors or attempts to rectify?

An old Radiohead lyric always gives me pause for thought: “Are you such a dreamer to put the world to rights?” As in, do you understand the level of ego required to think that if everyone behaved like you, the world would improve?

 

[Pokecheque]

Does it need to be called out? By whom? To what end?

Our society is very obsessed with justice and accountability, but less obsessed with figuring out what either of those things should mean in the given context.

Is there relief on the victims part that Miller won’t get to have a professional career? Does this resolve anything for him or his family? Im genuinely asking, because all I can see from this situation is outrage instead of any sort of reparations.

Will this discourage other young people from bullying disabled people if they know it could cost them their career? f***ing unlikely, but even if it did, that is entirely the wrong motivation.

I will never fully understand railing against others obvious imperfections. Is Miller a POS? Almost undoubtedly. Has ruining his career accomplished anything for anyone? If so, who? Who in turn should be able to cast judgement on another’s errors or attempts to rectify?

An old Radiohead lyric always gives me pause for thought: “Are you such a dreamer to put the world to rights?” As in, do you understand the level of ego required to think that if everyone behaved like you, the world would improve?

Yes, it needs to be called out. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Does it need to be called out? By whom? To what end?

Our society is very obsessed with justice and accountability, but less obsessed with figuring out what either of those things should mean in the given context.

Is there relief on the victims part that Miller won’t get to have a professional career? Does this resolve anything for him or his family? Im genuinely asking, because all I can see from this situation is outrage instead of any sort of reparations.

Will this discourage other young people from bullying disabled people if they know it could cost them their career? f***ing unlikely, but even if it did, that is entirely the wrong motivation.

I will never fully understand railing against others obvious imperfections. Is Miller a POS? Almost undoubtedly. Has ruining his career accomplished anything for anyone? If so, who? Who in turn should be able to cast judgement on another’s errors or attempts to rectify?

An old Radiohead lyric always gives me pause for thought: “Are you such a dreamer to put the world to rights?” As in, do you understand the level of ego required to think that if everyone behaved like you, the world would improve?

When you essentially ruin someone’s life you get consequences for that. If he showed growth from that part of his life then there’d be far less outrage for the signing. His friend in high school who was just as much a part of this scenario has apologized and shown genuine growth in the last 6 years.

In a situation like this a 2nd chance is earned not given.

 

[Metallo]

His parents have a pretty sordid history, and they are certainly making this worse. Sadly, instead of this changing their ideas or mindset, it is more likely that they will slide more into the victim complex and dig in further.

There is something more beyond this story?

Please elaborate.

 

[AvsGuy]

Yes, it needs to be called out. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

When you essentially ruin someone’s life you get consequences for that. If he showed growth from that part of his life then there’d be far less outrage for the signing. His friend in high school who was just as much a part of this scenario has apologized and shown genuine growth in the last 6 years.

In a situation like this a 2nd chance is earned not given.

Well I guess thank you both for reading my post, ignoring the entirety of it, and continuing on with what you were going to say anyways

 

[The Abusement Park]

Well I guess thank you both for reading my post, ignoring the entirety of it, and continuing on with what you were going to say anyways

Ignoring what point? That his actions shouldn’t be brought up against him? To what point? Until he shows change.

As long as he shows no growth from the scenario that HE created he’s going to face those consequences and public outcry.

 

[Chileiceman]

NHL definitions of years (age on sept 15th), but 2 since 17 would be the right answer (19-20 and 21-22). 20-21 was due to this situation (he was due to play at North Dakota when the is blew up and USHL didn’t touch it that year). Doesn’t really change the idea of what I’m saying, if he doesn’t play the next season or two… teams become increasingly unlikely to sign him. The most likely area is Russia (KHL in general, not just technically Russia) and we have geopolitical issues thatll likely holding that up.

There are North Americans in KHL. I think if that's his only hope to play, he will play there.