Prospect Info: 2022 - 1st OA] Juraj Slafkovsky (LW) Part 3

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Andy

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If you think that Bob Macks ranking is some kind of monolith of scouting, sure. Otherwise who cares about the rankings, really. And who cares about players picked after even so.

I think everyone can agree hes a project, hes a gamble on some untouched potential. Its fine, he could be an insane player.
I think his ranking is sufficient enough to demonstrate that Slaf wasn't/isn't the gamble being portrayed here. I'm not sure why you'd even want to suggest otherwise.

Every player in the top 5 is a project. So whining about him being a gamble is a moot point as any pick would have been a gamble.

Like the microscope on his play away from the puck, folks are being negative for the sake of.

You said that 95% of rookies need to improve their play without the puck. Are you now saying that defensemen don't count? Do you not see a difference in play without the puck between D+1 rookies and D+3 rookies?

It's not nit-picking or negative. It's an honest assessment of his play and part of the discussion that surrounds this player.
My apologies for clarifying that I meant 95% of rookie forwards.

And yes, there is a difference in terms of develipment between 18, 20, and 22 year olds.
 

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I think his ranking is sufficient enough to demonstrate that Slaf wasn't/isn't the gamble being portrayed here. I'm not sure why you'd even want to suggest otherwise.

Every player in the top 5 is a project. So whining about him being a gamble is a moot point as any pick would have been a gamble.

Like the microscope on his play away from the puck, folks are being negative for the sake of.
I just dont really care about the predraft opinion anymore. Its mostly generated by hype from the media.

Yes theyre all gamble all the time.

With that said, you dont need a microscope to see that he is not ready.
 
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More than half the teams surveyed by the retired ‘insider’ had picked Slaf as their number one. When the close majority of teams pick you instead of the others, it means that the others ARE the gamble. Not you.

Was he my choice? No. I had believed the Wright hype, even though all of the year’s showcase games had disappointed me. I even expressed discontent at the posters amd McScagg who were pimping this lanky feller.

Well, if 50%+ of teams thought he was the least troublesome pick, then I have to rally, and that’s what I did.

The Ds you are talking about? Well, they have shown squat as of today. In fact, you could argue that the best 18 year old at camp in the league was Beck.
I really don't concern myself with what Bob's friends said. It was a coinflip between two flawed players. I think Slaf is more rare, and has more appreciable upside than Wright but he also has more bust-potential. My own conservatism informed me that Wright was the better choice for 1OA despite Wright's own downsides (which, imo, are more easily remedied than teaching the lanky guy to play hockey). If not Wright than the other players whom I can't comment on so readily at this time as I haven't thought about them since the draft.

Nobody has shown anything so far, I'm not talking about today -- I'm clearly talking about my general impression of this past draft. It's perfectly fine to disagree with me (hell, many do) but it's silly to pretend Slaf isn't a huge swing for the fences. The guy had 10 points total in his main league play ffs. He couldn't put up more than 0.39 ppg in Liiga for heaven's sake, and he was like one of the biggest players in the entire league. Everybody is tired of hearing it but they won't accept the basic fact: this is a huge red flag and nothing he's shown since the draft has done a single thing to encourage anybody that he knows how to produce or is capable of doing so.

That means if you want his success you want him to learn how to put up points and make plays in an effective manner. To the Habs Organisation: Good luck teaching him with 9min TOI after you rush him to the NHL so he can learn the north-south game from Brendan Gallagher.

I completely disagree with the bolded part. He definitely doesn't have the lowest floor of these guys. He is the best of the class as of today 18 October 2022. Only he and Wright have played in the NHL. He is the only one of the lot that can be debated as "NHL ready" even though there is admittedly no consensus in this regard. With the other prospects there is no such debate though.

What evidence do you have to support your claim? Are there any scouts who have said something to that effect?
Well we disagree. I think his floor is lower and bustier than others. He's a playmaker big guy who can't make plays in a game setting at this time. Either they change his game to be a crash and banger or he learns how to make plays, both are huge asks. And no, I don't think he was NHL ready and nothing he's done since these four games says he's NHL ready. He's NHL rushed is what he is.

To be fair to Slaf, he is a fast learner and I've seen him develop confidence before my very eyes on a game-by-game basis. Maybe he'll click in 20 games, maybe in 30, maybe in 10. I have no clue. Maybe it'll take another season. Everybody develops differently. But the longer it takes the higher the chances of it failing at some point. So I'd rather he be in a place where he can produce big time from the get go.
 
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I have Zero clue about the nhl production of the top 5 selections in this draft. If that is your definition of a gamble, then you would not have been happy with any player selected.
Barring brain-related issues causing them to bust, which Slaf doesn't seem to have but Wright seems to have, it's clear who projects to be a top6 forward or top3 dman. Slaf does not project to be anything, his profile is legitimately so rare that it is unusual.
 

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Slafkovsky is an instinctual player. His game relies on his mental state. He has to take the bull by the horns to be effective and dominant. We saw it in 1-2 preseason games, and we saw it at the Olympics. When he's playing on instincts, he's dominant and impacts his shifts.

If for some reason he can't get in this mental state, he will be confused, especially as a 18 years old in the NHL. So either give him opportunities to drive the play, or send him down, even though I personally feel like he belongs in the NHL based on what I've seen.

I hope they try him for a FULL GAME with Suzuki-Caufield.
 
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Barring brain-related issues causing them to bust, which Slaf doesn't seem to have but Wright seems to have, it's clear who projects to be a top6 forward or top3 dman. Slaf does not project to be anything, his profile is legitimately so rare that it is unusual.
Just because you can't project for Slaf, doesn't mean others can't.

Slaf clearly projects to be a top 6 forward as much Wright does or as much as Nemec projects to be a top 3 dman. Enough of this silliness.
 

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Bravo.

The same people who want to waste year after year tanking also think rushing young players into the NHL is worthwhile... so they can turn on those players and criticize them when they inevitably bust and struggle.... so then can then champion another five years+ of tanking for the sake of picking up high draft position players.

A ridiculous obsession. I have no patience for tanking but a lot of patience for prospects, let them ripen in a position they can learn, the big team doesn't need them right now. Slaf is meant to be more important than 18 of our 20 forwards right now and all of our prospects... so why are they rushing him into the NHL right now? Sending him to where he can work on what he needs to work on makes a lot of sense to me.

On the other hand, if this is his red shirt year, I really hope he spends some time in Laval so we can all breathe easy when he does put up points. If he is sent to Laval weeks from now and doesn't put up points easily, what then? Don't call him up until he does.
I could not agree more with most everything you write; but I don’t see any harm done with the usage he’s had so far. We all know the plan is not to sit him in the stands if he stifles.. Whatever his development scenario; he’ll have soaked in incredible info and I don’t think he’s at a bigger risk of injury for example... Half the team is made of glass, bad comparison perhaps lol. Athletically he’s there or close.

Half the kids his age had entire seasons of hockey cancelled; I’m not anxious he’ll somehow regress from having had an nhl taste any more than in a hurry if he takes 2-3 years to mature.
 
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Barring brain-related issues causing them to bust, which Slaf doesn't seem to have but Wright seems to have, it's clear who projects to be a top6 forward or top3 dman. Slaf does not project to be anything, his profile is legitimately so rare that it is unusual.
Please, not again this "big gamble" debate.
He was a 2nd liner in Finnish league, Olympics MVP (McTavish , Krejci or other great players weren't). He played very well at WChamps better than e.g. Tatar.
What were the others like Nemec or Cooley when Slaf was a big gamble. Yes, his skills are raw, but that is 99% of prospects.
 

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He will score Thursday night!

Laval is where he then needs to go! 9 games and please send him down, no point of him being a 4th liner here and struggle.

Wonder how people think he'll learn to produce offense without ever having the puck and producing offense at some level. Even Liiga he never had a chance. The logic he'll develop offensively with the puck by never having the puck never made sense to me (same with the old he'll develop as a C on wing mantra).

At least in the AHL, the hope is it's slow enough that he can figure out what works on NA ice and then eventually take that to NHL and figure out how to apply it at higher level. Right now it's hoping he applies his raw talent one day like he did in the olympics/WC. I guess he'll get most of his reps in practice.
 
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Wonder how people think he'll learn to produce offense without ever having the puck and producing offense at some level.
To paraphrase now retired Michael Therrien he needs to be sent to AHL to adjust to NHL speed. The logic is there... you just have to look for it ... really really hard :naughty:
 

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Just because you can't project for Slaf, doesn't mean others can't.

Slaf clearly projects to be a top 6 forward as much Wright does or as much as Nemec projects to be a top 3 dman. Enough of this silliness.
If he produced more than a third liner in Liiga I’d agree but he didn’t. He can easily end up a Joel Armia (you should look up Armia’s predraft hype and stats).

I could not agree more with most everything you write; but I don’t see any harm done with the usage he’s had so far. We all know the plan is not to sit him in the stands if he stifles.. Whatever his development scenario; he’ll have soaked in incredible info and I don’t think he’s at a bigger risk of injury for example... Half the team is made of glass, bar comparison perhaps lol. Athletically he’s there or close.

Half the kids his age had entire seasons of hockey cancelled; I’m not anxious he’ll somehow regress from having had an nhl taste any more than in a hurry if he takes 2-3 years to mature.
It’s not immediate harm to him that I’m ranting about but my lack of faith in the Habs and developing high end skill forwards. I don’t see why Slaf should’ve started in the NHL — but now that he’s here, I hope they have a damn plan for him.

Please, not again this "big gamble" debate.
He was a 2nd liner in Finnish league, Olympics MVP (McTavish , Krejci or other great players weren't). He played very well at WChamps better than e.g. Tatar.
What were the others like Nemec or Cooley when Slaf was a big gamble. Yes, his skills are raw, but that is 99% of prospects.
2nd liners don’t get demoted to the Jr league multiple times and don’t go pointless in 20 games.

His profile for a top pick is, to be charitable, unusual.

Based on the major gap in his resume (league performance and production) he was a gamble. And so far he hasn’t filled us in on some hidden ability to produce — not in preseason or in these early games. Ive said before he needs time to adapt and shouldn’t be judged for it — so my commentary from Draft Day to now hasn’t changed because he hasn’t changed. It’s early yet.
 

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Like I said, convenient memory loss:






Reading through that is eerily similar how there was also many arguments how he just had to be in NHL. Slafkovsky is no doubt showing flashes but really don't agree he's showing enough to warrant staying up past 8/9 games.


No, it's not convenient memory loss. It's the opposite rather. My posts from mid-October 2018 were that he was not playing his game, that he was passive, never open and just surviving out there. Which is exactly in line with what I was referring to in this thread.
 
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But we should be alleviating those concerns now. See who we can attract in a couple of years with this new style of play
9 Being criticized about their drive/ability to learn f***ing French.
 

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Didn’t see it mentioned in between all those high content posts but the latest Habs Athletic article mentions that Slaf and Xhekaj have become good friends and the plan is for them to find a place to live together as roommates.

Let’s hope it at least helps reduce the “Slaf to OHL/Europe” posts.
 

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Didn’t see it mentioned in between all those high content posts but the latest Habs Athletic article mentions that Slaf and Xhekaj have become good friends and the plan is for them to find a place to live together as roommates.

Let’s hope it at least helps reduce the “Slaf to OHL/Europe” posts.
Why does this sound like the beginning of the Bash bro's?
 

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Plenty of people think Slaf has a very low floor (ie high bust potential). Of course he'd be drafted but I wouldn't have used a 1OA on him, no way. His profile is riddled with red flags.

Thirdly, this one is the best, it's a complete re-tread of the same arguments Bergevin fans were saying about Galchenyuk and Kotkaniemi. Some people never learn.

I can look at articles and watch videos of people sharing their agenda and thoughts too about a player and pick and choose what I want to believe... However, the educated "hockey fan" or simply "Habs fan" should do some research for themselves and watch him in Liiga, and see his usage, style of play, and the team system.. then maybe you'd understand.

His "low floor" is, again, those who are trying to spew their narrative on him.. they don't know what his floor is right now. He wasn't chosen #1 because the educated scouting departments who get paid for this type of thing think he can maybe be an ok or just decent player. You think Hughes is gambling with his first ever #1?! Get real!

Also.. who cares about KK and Galchenyuk.. they are gone and irrelevant.. suck it up and move on.

He's a gamble in the sense that you have ZERO clue what kind of NHL production will come out of him. 30-40 points like Armia, 40-50 like Anderson, 60+? No clue. He's super raw and a project and has not much history putting up big points, and certainly not in his draft year.

It's a massive gamble. A preponderance of think his upside is worth the gamble of his downside, that's great and I'd agree... but not with the 1OA pick.

But the pick was made, so let's stop acting like he's bound for success and we're entitled to it because that couldn't be further from the truth. The path is perilous. Delusion doesn't help anybody here... Slaf needs to adapt and develop his game, big time. Maybe it'll happen within his current situation in the NHL.

You have NO idea what type of production will come out of any player moving up to the NHL.. so that argument is garbage.

Like you like to say others are acting like he's bound for success, you, being a stat watching keyboard jockey, have 0 basis for your argument other than you're still in pain about KK and Galch and how they were handled, and never watched Slaf prior to a handful of games ago.
 
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I can look at articles and watch videos of people sharing their agenda and thoughts too about a player and pick and choose what I want to believe... However, the educated "hockey fan" or simply "Habs fan" should do some research for themselves and watch him in Liiga, and see his usage, style of play, and the team system.. then maybe you'd understand.

His "low floor" is, again, those who are trying to spew their narrative on him.. they don't know what his floor is right now. He wasn't chosen #1 because the educated scouting departments who get paid for this type of thing think he can maybe be an om player. You think Hughes is gambling with his first ever #1?! Get real!

Also.. who cares about KK and Galchenyuk.. they are gone and irrelevant.. suck it up and move on.



You have NO idea what type of production will come out of any player moving up to the NHL.. so that argument is garbage.

Like you like to say others are acting like he's bound for success, you, being a stat watching keyboard jockey, have 0 basis for your argument other than you're still in pain about KK and Galch and how they were handled, and never watched Slaf prior to a handful of games ago.
Slaf has the highest potential upside beside the other top3.. the draft order ( top 4 )can be shuffled and similar results would likely ensue.
 
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