Value of: 2022 #1 overall if Devils win draft lottery

[Setec Astronomy]

The consensus number 1 overall is a non-generational center, a position the Devils are set at for the next decade. The Devils score a lot of goals as is, and have a top five prospect pipeline.

I could see them trading the pick for Spencer Knight and something else or Askarov, depending on what the political situation with Russia (NOT INVITING COMMENTS ABOUT UKRAINE) is by draft day. I imagine this would work for the Panthers/Predators.

If not a goalie, I could see the Fitzgerald agreeing to trade the pick for Brady Tkachuk or Matthew Tkachuk (if a long term deal were worked out ahead of time).

As it stands now, it’s a distinct possibility the Devils end up with the pick. Interested to see what fans of other teams would be willing to trade for it.

Click to read more...

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Ottawa won't be trading Brady. That we know for sure.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

Ottawa won't be trading Brady. That we know for sure.

Don’t intend to get into a pissing match, but I think Shane Wright is about even value for a winger on a fairly pricey contract who is comfortably leas than a PPG player. I can’t speak to the optics of it from an Ottawa standpoint though.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Don’t intend to get into a pissing match, but I think Shane Wright is about even value for a winger on a fairly pricey contract who is comfortably leas than a PPG player. I can’t speak to the optics of it from an Ottawa standpoint though.

It isn't necessarily about value on paper. Brady is the captain, fan favorite, and heart & soul of the team. The marketing of the team locally revolves around the kid and his personality. Even the team is being built based on his style of play.

Wright will likely be the better player, but that doesn't really factor into this particular equation for Ottawa.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

If the #1 was actually on the table for a goalie prospect, I'd have to think Minnesota wouldn't mind being in that conversation.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

If they’re not comfortable with Wright, you draft Slafkovsky. It’s not that hard of a choice to make.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

If they’re not comfortable with Wright, you draft Slafkovsky. It’s not that hard of a choice to make.

The Devils don’t need Wright. And they need a goalie more than Slafkovsky.

 

[Steerpike]

If they’re not comfortable with Wright, you draft Slafkovsky. It’s not that hard of a choice to make.

At first overall you take BPA. Sometimes they end up not being the best player from their draft, but yoy would be foolish to pass on first overall talent.

 

[captainpaxil]

The thing with this year's draft is there's a clear top 5 and then a second group that runs to the high teens. Dropping into that second group might be an option for some teams who land in that top 5. I don't see much room to wiggle inside though.
Philly jersey ottowa Chicago Montreal Arizona and Seattle depending how they rank out is going to leave some bad teams on the wrong side of the talent dropoff.
Unless someone absolutely loves nemec or slafkivsky is radioactive I don't know that first overall nets you more than 4th. Being on the outside looking in might burn some GM's though.
If I'm Seattle and I can get this year's pick in the teens next year's pick and a b prospect it's a good move but I think Philly makes the pick.

 

[majormajor]

Just take the best player.

Sure you could trade it for a goalie - does that prevent that goalie from getting injured all year like their other two goalies just did? No. Bernier and Blackwood isn't even the worst tandem, but if you want to improve on it you can without spending a first overall.

I don't agree that they couldn't find use for a center.

 

[themelkman]

Just not going to happen. Teams dont trade the first overall pick

 

[AcerComputer]

Trade it for a 2023 pick or try to move down in the draft. 1st OA pick is sh*t this year. Worse than 2020.

 

[OlfactoryHughes]

Trade it for a 2023 pick or try to move down in the draft. 1st OA pick is sh*t this year. Worse than 2020.

I don’t think many teams in lottery position are looking to trade unprotected firsts in 2023…

If you get one to bite, you’re gonna have to over pay for the “unprotected” aspect of the trade, and deminish the overall return.

Unless of course it all works out and you luck into Bedard

 

[Cancuks]

You can have Boeser and the Canucks 1st.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Just draft him, centers can move to the wing relatively easily, especially early on. Pittsburgh drafted Malkin, Crosby, then Staal and that worked out just fine

 

[vipera1960]

I don’t think many teams in lottery position are looking to trade unprotected firsts in 2023…

If you get one to bite, you’re gonna have to over pay for the “unprotected” aspect of the trade, and deminish the overall return.

Unless of course it all works out and you luck into Bedard

If you’re trading 1OA to move back a year, you’re getting an unprotected pick. What GM in his right mind would move back a year and guarantee a 10 spot loss?

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

If they’re not comfortable with Wright, you draft Slafkovsky. It’s not that hard of a choice to make.

Agree with this or slide down to number #3 and get Jiricek and another asset from the team who wants to move up.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

You can have Boeser and the Canucks 1st.

I'm a Canucks fan, but Boeser is a no-no. Not for 1st overall.

 

[Brodeur]

Just not going to happen. Teams dont trade the first overall pick

Depends on the draft year naturally. I attended the 2017 Draft, so I didn't bother rewatching some of the footage until the recent Bobby Clarke comments. Both Darren Dreger and Bob McKenzie said that the Devils were entertaining the idea of trading down to #3 and that Vegas was trying to pull off an elaborate set of trades that would have garnered them the #1 pick. Presumably, Vegas wanted Nolan Patrick and the Devils were okay with whoever remained between Nico Hischier and Cale Makar at #3 if they got enough to move down. It sounded like Dallas had no interest in moving from #3 to #6, so it never came to fruition.

Florida listened on offers for the Aaron Ekblad pick in 2014: Flyers were 'close' to trading up to No. 1 for Aaron Ekblad

Rick Dudley got creative the three times he had the #1 overall pick. Although in each case, he traded down and ended up with the guy he would have taken #1 anyways. That might not apply with the 2022 Draft.

1999: Dudley was GM in Tampa. He was planning on taking Pavel Brendl with the top pick but knew that Brian Burke badly wanted both Sedins. Dudley offered to trade #1 for #4 plus 2nd and 4th rounders. Oddly Burke considered that to be too high a price. On the morning of the draft, Dudley relented and accepted Burke's offer of a pair of 3rd rounders. In Dudley's eyes, he was getting the player he would have taken anyways plus a couple picks. Dudley would then trade the Brendl pick to the Rangers.

2002: Dudley was now GM in Florida and planned on taking Jay Bouwmeester #1. Columbus was picking #3 and wanted Rick Nash but got scared as Philadelphia traded up to #4 on the morning of the draft. They were worried that Philadelphia might swap that pick with Atlanta at #2 and take Nash. Most figured Atlanta was taking Kari Lehtonen or Joni Pitkanen, so they would get one of them at #4. Columbus GM Doug MacLean called up Dudley about swapping picks and they figured out an interesting swap. Columbus gave Dudley the option of swapping 2003 1st round picks, ie Columbus used its presumed lottery odds as an asset. In the end Columbus didn't give up anything in order to secure Nash. Dudley had to give Atlanta an extra pick to promise not to take Bouwmeester at #2 and Florida got Bouwmeester at #3.

2003: Florida won the lottery and had Nathan Horton at the top of their board. Dudley figured they could move down a spot or two and still get Horton. So he shamelessly tried to create a bidding war between Carolina and Pittsburgh. In the end he got a modest return in exchange for swapping #1 for #3.
And then there was the Islanders trading away the Jason Spezza pick in 2001 as they wanted some immediate help.

-------------------------------

If the Devils lucked out and got the #1 pick, Arizona and Montreal would be natural trade partners at #2-4. Coyotes and Canadiens both have a ton of picks. Extra incentive with the draft being in Montreal and it being Kent Hughes' 1st draft as GM. Currently at their disposal:

Arizona: ARZ1 (2nd-4th overall), CAR1 (~30th overall), COL (~30th overall), ARZ2 (~33rd overall), PHI2 (~38th overall), SJS2 (~43rd overall), NYI2 (~44th overall), ARZ3 (~65th overall)

Montreal: MON1 (2nd-4th overall), CGY1 (~30th overall), MON2 (~34th overall), EDM2 (~50th overall), MON3 (~66th overall)

Devils could trade down a couple spots and take Slafkovsky/Nemec/Jiricek then add an extra pick that could be used to trade for immediate help.

Although trading for it for NHL bodies does remind me a bit of the 1999 Draft and Dudley turned the top pick into not a whole lot:

1st = 4th overall + two third rounders
4th overall = Niklas Sundstrom, Dan Cloutier, future 1st rounder
Sundstrom = Andrei Zyuzin plus warm bodies

Dudley thought he was getting his goalie of the present/future in Cloutier, a young former 2nd overall pick in Zyuzin, and another first rounder for his one pick.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

Depends on the draft year naturally. I attended the 2017 Draft, so I didn't bother rewatching some of the footage until the recent Bobby Clarke comments. Both Darren Dreger and Bob McKenzie said that the Devils were entertaining the idea of trading down to #3 and that Vegas was trying to pull off an elaborate set of trades that would have garnered them the #1 pick. Presumably, Vegas wanted Nolan Patrick and the Devils were okay with whoever remained between Nico Hischier and Cale Makar at #3 if they got enough to move down. It sounded like Dallas had no interest in moving from #3 to #6, so it never came to fruition.

Florida listened on offers for the Aaron Ekblad pick in 2014: Flyers were 'close' to trading up to No. 1 for Aaron Ekblad

Rick Dudley got creative the three times he had the #1 overall pick. Although in each case, he traded down and ended up with the guy he would have taken #1 anyways. That might not apply with the 2022 Draft.

1999: Dudley was GM in Tampa. He was planning on taking Pavel Brendl with the top pick but knew that Brian Burke badly wanted both Sedins. Dudley offered to trade #1 for #4 plus 2nd and 4th rounders. Oddly Burke considered that to be too high a price. On the morning of the draft, Dudley relented and accepted Burke's offer of a pair of 3rd rounders. In Dudley's eyes, he was getting the player he would have taken anyways plus a couple picks. Dudley would then trade the Brendl pick to the Rangers.

2002: Dudley was now GM in Florida and planned on taking Jay Bouwmeester #1. Columbus was picking #3 and wanted Rick Nash but got scared as Philadelphia traded up to #4 on the morning of the draft. They were worried that Philadelphia might swap that pick with Atlanta at #2 and take Nash. Most figured Atlanta was taking Kari Lehtonen or Joni Pitkanen, so they would get one of them at #4. Columbus GM Doug MacLean called up Dudley about swapping picks and they figured out an interesting swap. Columbus gave Dudley the option of swapping 2003 1st round picks, ie Columbus used its presumed lottery odds as an asset. In the end Columbus didn't give up anything in order to secure Nash. Dudley had to give Atlanta an extra pick to promise not to take Bouwmeester at #2 and Florida got Bouwmeester at #3.

2003: Florida won the lottery and had Nathan Horton at the top of their board. Dudley figured they could move down a spot or two and still get Horton. So he shamelessly tried to create a bidding war between Carolina and Pittsburgh. In the end he got a modest return in exchange for swapping #1 for #3.
And then there was the Islanders trading away the Jason Spezza pick in 2001 as they wanted some immediate help.

-------------------------------

If the Devils lucked out and got the #1 pick, Arizona and Montreal would be natural trade partners at #2-4. Coyotes and Canadiens both have a ton of picks. Extra incentive with the draft being in Montreal and it being Kent Hughes' 1st draft as GM. Currently at their disposal:

Arizona: ARZ1 (2nd-4th overall), CAR1 (~30th overall), COL (~30th overall), ARZ2 (~33rd overall), PHI2 (~38th overall), SJS2 (~43rd overall), NYI2 (~44th overall), ARZ3 (~65th overall)

Montreal: MON1 (2nd-4th overall), CGY1 (~30th overall), MON2 (~34th overall), EDM2 (~50th overall), MON3 (~66th overall)

Devils could trade down a couple spots and take Slafkovsky/Nemec/Jiricek then add an extra pick that could be used to trade for immediate help.

Although trading for it for NHL bodies does remind me a bit of the 1999 Draft and Dudley turned the top pick into not a whole lot:

1st = 4th overall + two third rounders
4th overall = Niklas Sundstrom, Dan Cloutier, future 1st rounder
Sundstrom = Andrei Zyuzin plus warm bodies

Dudley thought he was getting his goalie of the present/future in Cloutier, a young former 2nd overall pick in Zyuzin, and another first rounder for his one pick.

And considering there have been busts in recent years, it's good to ask prices for first overalls.

 

[Alex NJD]

Depends on the draft year naturally. I attended the 2017 Draft, so I didn't bother rewatching some of the footage until the recent Bobby Clarke comments. Both Darren Dreger and Bob McKenzie said that the Devils were entertaining the idea of trading down to #3 and that Vegas was trying to pull off an elaborate set of trades that would have garnered them the #1 pick. Presumably, Vegas wanted Nolan Patrick and the Devils were okay with whoever remained between Nico Hischier and Cale Makar at #3 if they got enough to move down. It sounded like Dallas had no interest in moving from #3 to #6, so it never came to fruition.

Florida listened on offers for the Aaron Ekblad pick in 2014: Flyers were 'close' to trading up to No. 1 for Aaron Ekblad

Rick Dudley got creative the three times he had the #1 overall pick. Although in each case, he traded down and ended up with the guy he would have taken #1 anyways. That might not apply with the 2022 Draft.

1999: Dudley was GM in Tampa. He was planning on taking Pavel Brendl with the top pick but knew that Brian Burke badly wanted both Sedins. Dudley offered to trade #1 for #4 plus 2nd and 4th rounders. Oddly Burke considered that to be too high a price. On the morning of the draft, Dudley relented and accepted Burke's offer of a pair of 3rd rounders. In Dudley's eyes, he was getting the player he would have taken anyways plus a couple picks. Dudley would then trade the Brendl pick to the Rangers.

2002: Dudley was now GM in Florida and planned on taking Jay Bouwmeester #1. Columbus was picking #3 and wanted Rick Nash but got scared as Philadelphia traded up to #4 on the morning of the draft. They were worried that Philadelphia might swap that pick with Atlanta at #2 and take Nash. Most figured Atlanta was taking Kari Lehtonen or Joni Pitkanen, so they would get one of them at #4. Columbus GM Doug MacLean called up Dudley about swapping picks and they figured out an interesting swap. Columbus gave Dudley the option of swapping 2003 1st round picks, ie Columbus used its presumed lottery odds as an asset. In the end Columbus didn't give up anything in order to secure Nash. Dudley had to give Atlanta an extra pick to promise not to take Bouwmeester at #2 and Florida got Bouwmeester at #3.

2003: Florida won the lottery and had Nathan Horton at the top of their board. Dudley figured they could move down a spot or two and still get Horton. So he shamelessly tried to create a bidding war between Carolina and Pittsburgh. In the end he got a modest return in exchange for swapping #1 for #3.
And then there was the Islanders trading away the Jason Spezza pick in 2001 as they wanted some immediate help.

-------------------------------

If the Devils lucked out and got the #1 pick, Arizona and Montreal would be natural trade partners at #2-4. Coyotes and Canadiens both have a ton of picks. Extra incentive with the draft being in Montreal and it being Kent Hughes' 1st draft as GM. Currently at their disposal:

Arizona: ARZ1 (2nd-4th overall), CAR1 (~30th overall), COL (~30th overall), ARZ2 (~33rd overall), PHI2 (~38th overall), SJS2 (~43rd overall), NYI2 (~44th overall), ARZ3 (~65th overall)

Montreal: MON1 (2nd-4th overall), CGY1 (~30th overall), MON2 (~34th overall), EDM2 (~50th overall), MON3 (~66th overall)

Devils could trade down a couple spots and take Slafkovsky/Nemec/Jiricek then add an extra pick that could be used to trade for immediate help.

Although trading for it for NHL bodies does remind me a bit of the 1999 Draft and Dudley turned the top pick into not a whole lot:

1st = 4th overall + two third rounders
4th overall = Niklas Sundstrom, Dan Cloutier, future 1st rounder
Sundstrom = Andrei Zyuzin plus warm bodies

Dudley thought he was getting his goalie of the present/future in Cloutier, a young former 2nd overall pick in Zyuzin, and another first rounder for his one pick.

Ya I could see a trade down of a few spots happen if the Devils win #1 (or #2) and a team at #4-6 really want/need a potential 1C prospect and aren't sold on Savoie or Geekie. (Assuming Cooley goes top 3)

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

Ya I could see a trade down of a few spots happen if the Devils win #1 (or #2) and a team at #4-6 really want/need a potential 1C prospect and aren't sold on Savoie or Geekie. (Assuming Cooley goes top 3)

Maybe a 4th-6th pick + a prospect for Devils' first?

 

[GAGLine]

If the #1 was actually on the table for a goalie prospect, I'd have to think Minnesota wouldn't mind being in that conversation.

Why? Minnesota isn't exactly set at goalie at the NHL level. They need Wallstedt more than they need that pick.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

Why? Minnesota isn't exactly set at goalie at the NHL level. They need Wallstedt more than they need that pick.

They can always trade Eriksson Ek, although that shouldn't be their best option.

 

[Lockin17]

the NHL ruled that a franchise can win the lottery no more than twice in a five-year span.
That isn't exclusive to the first overall pick: It means a team can't advance by reason of lottery win more than twice in a five-year span.
So Buffalo and Devils can't win